NFBW: Nixon appointee to the Supreme Court in 1970…. Justice Harry Blackmun, writing the majority opinion for
Roe, defined viability as the point where a fetus “
has the capability of meaningful life outside the mother’s womb”:
With respect to the State’s important and legitimate interest in potential life, the “compelling” point is at viability. This is so because the fetus then presumably has the capability of meaningful life outside the mother’s womb. State regulation protective of fetal life after viability thus has both logical and biological justifications. If the State is interested in protecting fetal life after viability, it may go so far as to proscribe abortion during that period, except when it is necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother.
BluesMan230119-
#238 Blues Man • Again you fixate on late term abortion when I already told you I have always thought
fetal viability should be the line and in fact abortions occurring after 21 weeks is the exception not the rule. I'll repeat myself yet again 93% of all abortions occur before week 13. •••• And you always resort to name calling which tells me you have nothing intelligent to contribute to this discussion
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HeyNorm230119-
#239 •••• Not fixated on late term abortions at all. I’m fixated on the legal standard of
similarly situated persons.
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BluesMan230120-
#246 That has nothing to do with the subject. •••• And fetuses do not have any civil rights. And they never should because IF you want a fetus to have the full compliment of rights you then have to say that the rights of the unborn supersede the rights of the pregnant woman
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HeyNorm230120-
#249 • It is the pregnant woman that
consented to the creation of the being that are afforded these rights. To say abortion can be limited at any point, prior to birth, bestows these rights to the fetus in the first place. If you say the state can limit abortion to at 24 weeks, then the question is,
why a 23 week fetus is not similarly situated to a 24 week fetus.
NFBW: Because the moment of being
similarly situated to you and me and all other post-viable post-birth human beings is that being a viable human being has not happened at least once for that 23 week aged fetus.
On the other hand, actually becoming a viable human being has happened at least once to that 24 week aged fetus causing a physical, biological, moral, spiritual and reality of being human
making it similarly situated to
CarsomyrPlusSix beagle9 and
ding and
to every human being that ever came into existence and in the future who will ••••
NFBW: (A) Are you asking
HeyNorm If induced death is a great evil for a 24 week old fetus, then is it a great evil to induce death for a 23 week
similarly situated fetus
or are you asking (B) If induced death should be banned to saved a 24 week old fetus, then should it be banned to save a 23 week
similarly situated fetus
or are you asking (C) If a state can invade the privacy of a pregnant woman carrying a 24 week old fetus in her body then should the state be able to invade the privacy of a pregnant woman carrying a 23 week old fetus in her body that is
similarly situated to the fetus aged 24 weeks.
If death is a great evil for her own fetus, then for any similarly situated fetus, death should be a great evil for it as well. Hershenov-IPOB typical anti-abortion sim-situ argument
NFBW: No natter how you ask the
Question
HeyNorm the answer always is ttat the 23 week fetus is not similarly situated to itself one week later because during that 23rd week every fetus becomes thinkable by us to be like us and therefore
similarly situated with us.
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