Right-Wing Challenge: Fair Income Tax For The Top 50% vs Bottom 50%

[Robert W]

of course you would cause youre a commie thief,,

the problem there is military spending is required and such a low percentage that any cut would have no effect,,

better to cut out the free handouts and tax the people not paying anything into a system they take from,,

fair is everyone paying in equally,,

Democrats are not one bit interested in them paying more. They want us treated like these two men. Man 1 falls and seriously needs his leg amputated. Man 2, does not fall, and they expect the doctor to cut off his legs. Because the uninjured man is rich.

 

[Mac-7]

How much can you get from the bottom 50% on this graph? How much money can you get from people with no money? I am 100% opening to listening to logic. Show me some.

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Not much in the way of new taxes

But we could reduce spending through federal subsidies like the EITC, welfare for migrants either legal or illegal, and other foolish giveaways

 

[Robert W]

The real question is, What kind of society do you want?
Do you want a place where society looks after their weakest and most vulnerable OR where your chance to succeed is better than most if you work hard?

What do you do for the homeless? When you see a man sitting on the street, do you go to him and give them cash?

 

[Mac-7]

What do you do for the homeless? When you see a man sitting on the street, do you go to him and give them cash?

Or maybe light his crack pipe

Or share a needle with him

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Here is the challenge and it is based on next year's budget.

You need to raise about $2.4T in personal income taxes just to be $2.0T short of next year's expenses (Trump's plan) in a way that allows people to also live a life.

How do you raise your $2.4T from income taxes between the two halves of earners? Bottom half and top half.

Today we get 98% from the top 50% as it is circled in red on the chart to the right but as you can see they earn almost all the income and certainly 100% of the discretionary income after you put bare bones living expenses against $23k vs 137k.

What is "fair" to you?

I predict a long line of right-wingers suggesting we take $200B from people making $23K still leaving a $1.6T deficit without regard to how one would live. But maybe they will surprise me with some thoughtful reflection on income tax burdens and living with low means.

GO!

Trump 2026 Budget
$7T in Expenses

$2.4T of Income Tax
$1.7T of Payroll Tax
$0.5T of Corporate Tax
$0.5T of Excise and Tariffs
$5.2T of Revenue

$1.8T Deficit


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How does the federal tax system affect low-income households?

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TRANSLATION: "Well the 'fair share' scam has failed miserably, lets see if I can baffle em with some other bullspit plan"...how bout the cuban model where there is no wealthy class [outside of the taxing elites] and just treat everyone unfairly equally?

 

[citygator]

of course you would cause youre a commie thief,,

the problem there is military spending is required and such a low percentage that any cut would have no effect,,

better to cut out the free handouts and tax the people not paying anything into a system they take from,,

fair is everyone paying in equally,,

70% cut to defense would cut half a trillion off our deficit.

 

[citygator]

TRANSLATION: "Well the 'fair share' scam has failed miserably, lets see if I can baffle em with some other bullspit plan"...how bout the cuban model where there is no wealthy class [outside of the taxing elites] and just treat everyone unfairly equally?

You get that half the counry earns $2.5T a year and the other half earns $25T a year? Some of you righties arent evil... youre just stupid and cant follow math.

 

[citygator]

What do you do for the homeless? When you see a man sitting on the street, do you go to him and give them cash?

That is a good argument for organized solutions to problems. Well done.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

You get that half the counry earns $2.5T a year and the other half earns $25T a year?

in paying ones "fair share" none of that matters

Some of you righties arent evil...

TRANSLATION: "Nothing worse than a democrat who gets it"

youre just stupid and cant follow math.

it was the cuban thing wasn't it?...perhaps you can dumb down the math and go metric system.

 

[Southern Dad]

Cut the military by 50%, the Era of Golden Opportunities from losing wars is over

Bring back DOGE

“Cut the military by 50%”…. What an interesting idea. Do you think that would save us money in the long run? What would cutting the military by 50% do to our country, to our economy? Let’s think about it for a minute. That’s a lot of service members that get separated from the service. Of course, that means that if we have another conflict we’ll need a draft like in WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, because we won’t have the active service members to fight it. Let’s think about all those jobs, mostly good paying union jobs at defense contractors. You know those that build ships, aircraft, armored vehicles, missiles, etc. Of course, we’ve got the bases that would be mothballed resulting in surrounding cities and towns going broke, and unemployment around the bases…

 

[Southern Dad]

Get the federal government to remove the other taxes that all citizens ay like the gasoline tax as just one. That would improve the situation for the lower classes. And there are more.

My state, Georgia, our Republican governor has suspended the fuel tax since gas prices have gotten so high. As for federal income tax? Nearly half the wage earners aren’t paying it, anyway.

 

[Rambunctious]

If you take more from business owners and market investors and the top 50% you end up hurting the bottom 50%.... I will never understand why libs can't grasp that fact... especially when we go through it every time we have a democrat calling the shots... look at CA.... how has it worked there?...

 

[citygator]

“Cut the military by 50%”…. What an interesting idea. Do you think that would save us money in the long run? What would cutting the military by 50% do to our country, to our economy? Let’s think about it for a minute. That’s a lot of service members that get separated from the service. Of course, that means that if we have another conflict we’ll need a draft like in WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, because we won’t have the active service members to fight it. Let’s think about all those jobs, mostly good paying union jobs at defense contractors. You know those that build ships, aircraft, armored vehicles, missiles, etc. Of course, we’ve got the bases that would be mothballed resulting in surrounding cities and towns going broke, and unemployment around the bases…

There is definitely an impact of reducing government spending in any capacity. If you cut scientific research you could complain about the industries that money was spent on too. So that isnt a unique problem to defense industry and will be a problem no matter where you cut spending.

I dont worry about a war needing lots of people to fight it. We'll never have one of those again. Ground wars are a thing of the past.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

“Cut the military by 50%”…. What an interesting idea. Do you think that would save us money in the long run? What would cutting the military by 50% do to our country, to our economy? Let’s think about it for a minute. That’s a lot of service members that get separated from the service. Of course, that means that if we have another conflict we’ll need a draft like in WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, because we won’t have the active service members to fight it. Let’s think about all those jobs, mostly good paying union jobs at defense contractors. You know those that build ships, aircraft, armored vehicles, missiles, etc. Of course, we’ve got the bases that would be mothballed resulting in surrounding cities and towns going broke, and unemployment around the bases…

Gee, why didn't I think about that?

Gee

We have been rewarding POTUS for not going to Congress to declare war and the MIC for losing every war since WWII. All we have to show for it are bloated and ruthlessly greedy defense contractors, dead soldiers and tens of trillions in debt

Gee

Also, Milton Friedman described the imaginary "economic benefits" from things like having countless military bases here and abroad is like shoveling sand from one hole to another

 

[22lcidw]

70% cut to defense would cut half a trillion off our deficit.

Technically speaking, the government is charted to provide defense to its citizens. The costs are negotiable. It was not charted to have a massive social welfare program state. The military industrial/complex exists. And there is a massive comparable social program complex also. Medicare and Medicaid alone are two trillion dollars a year. We get used to this and then demand it as a right.

 

[progressive hunter]

70% cut to defense would cut half a trillion off our deficit.

the military is constitutionally required and welfare isnt and would save even more with the added benefit of making useless eaters responsible for themselves,,

you just want to defund the military for the same reason you want police defunded,,

you hate america and want crime and its enemies to have an easier time destroying it,,

 

[citygator]

the military is constitutionally required and welfare isnt and would save even more with the added benefit of making useless eaters responsible for themselves,,

you just want to defund the military for the same reason you want police defunded,,

you hate america and want crime and its enemies to have an easier time destroying it,,

You are so smart. As a one percenter with a Charlotte NC home and a Florida beach home who makes all his money from capitalism I am super invested in crime and destroying America. You’re such a dipshit.

I am 100% for ending social security and letting you old farts die earlier. You dont deserve what your generation fleeced this country of for your own benefit.

We dont need the military we are funding. It’s overkill. Only a pu$$y would be so afraid in life he needs a $1T defense department.

 

[progressive hunter]

You are so smart. As a one percenter with a Charlotte NC home and a Florida beach home who makes all his money from capitalism I am super invested in crime and destroying America. You’re such a dipshit.

I am 100% for ending social security and letting you old farts die earlier. You dont deserve what your generation fleeced this country of for your own benefit.

We dont need the military we are funding. It’s overkill. Only a pu$$y would be so afraid in life he needs a $1T defense department.

what we dont need is to enable useless people to be more useless which raises crime and causes the decline of a civilized society,,

social security is the one entitlement that the people collecting are the ones that pay into it,,

 

[citygator]

what we dont need is to enable useless people to be more useless which raises crime and causes the decline of a civilized society,,

social security is the one entitlement that the people collecting are the ones that pay into it,,

Bullllllllllllshit. If you think leaving n $40T in debt behind means you paid for anything you are nuts/crazy/oblivious. Let me ask you a question. If you spent $40T more than you paid making yourself “safe” then how the F did you save anything? You didnt. You are a free loading scumbag old person like all of you.

You underpaid you taxes by $40 Trillion dollars and put aside $2.5 Trillion of SS which is gone. You saved nothing. You are the welfare king.

 

[progressive hunter]

Bullllllllllllshit. If you think leaving n $40T in debt behind means you paid for anything you are nuts/crazy/oblivious. Let me ask you a question. If you spent $40T more than you paid making yourself “safe” then how the F did you save anything? You didnt. You are a free loading scumbag old person like all of you.

You underpaid you taxes by $40 Trillion dollars and put aside $2.5 Trillion of SS which is gone. You saved nothing. You are the welfare king.

why do you keep moving the goal posts??

face the facts,,
if those that take from a system and never give back the debt will continue to rise just like it has to get us to 40T,,