Right-Wing Challenge: Fair Income Tax For The Top 50% vs Bottom 50%

[citygator]

DOGE didn’t draft a budget…why do you lie?

DOGE was supposed to find Trillions of savings. They cut off aid to poor that amounted to no savings for the country but decimated lives. The deficit went up.

DOD money is actually discretionary.

Only in name not in practice. I am for whacking it big time. Very unsellable.

With that said I agree the real drivers of dead our entitlements SS, Medicare and Medicaid and need massive adjustments

Actually Medicaid and SsI take care of the poor and are the largest drivers of debt…

SS is not means tested. It is not a true poverty fighter. Its a retirement benefit. You know based on my posting I think it is a boomer scam.

sNAp as well, which actually makes up the vast majority of the USDA budget

50% of snap goes to children and it is a small piece of the budget. Regardless i am all for killing SNAP and having the states do it. Red states get most of that benefit that is in excess of what they paid. Alabama and the deep south would die. I am fine with it.

Not helping farmers, but giving entitlements of tax dollars to people…and you don’t even want to make a work requirement to get those tax dollars

We've had a work requirement since the 90's.

 

[kyzr]

Dude. You have two pockets. In one pocket a loan for $40T dollars. In the other pocket you you have $2.5T of social security funds. How much money do you have? Answer is none. You dont get to borrow $40T and act like you saved anything. There is only liabilities and assets. Ours is net -$40T.

The point I made was that SS and Medicare did not cause the $40T national debt. They are self-funded.

Doesnt matter what it was spent on. It was spent. And it was spent by the Boomers.

Yes it does matter what it was spent on. You incorrectly blamed SS and Medicare, when the real causes were Welfare, Medicaid, Defense, Foreign Aid, and SUBSIDIES to US corporations. My pet peeve is that subsidies are gifts of taxpayer cash to corporations. I prefer if we bought stock and kept it in a Sovereign Fund to grow and pay off debt.

Boomers. They are deadbeats

People sucking off Welfare and Medicaid and fraudsters are deadbeats. Taxpayers are not deadbeats by definition.

Obama and Trump are boomers and you left out Bush. Biden just missed the cut as greatest generation. YOU boomers allowed it. You voted for those folks in mass. But it doesnt matter how it happened. You saved nothing and spent it all.

Voters are made up of several generations. Its time to settle the debt.

Very smart. We need to raise taxes. There is no way to reduce the budget enough.

Agreed.

I prefer fewer sales taxes since they are regressive and hurt spending. I prefer income based taxes since they hurt spending less and are progressive. But we need more tax revenue.

We need every new revenue dollar we can get.

 

[progressive hunter]

I know how you feel but your outrage has little to do with facts. I just showed you that your outrage raises $200B which doesnt even dent the deficit. So the main thing you are hung up on, due to your insecurity, has basically no impact on the budget.

I am going to offer you a reason why you are so hung up on an idea that doesnt impact the budget - your feelings. You failed in life and it is important to you to think there are bigger failures. You see, I made it. I have no ill will toward people who make far less than me (which is 99.6% of people) because I dont need to feel better than others. I am better. Maybe if I was in your shoes I would be hung up on looking for ways to make myself feel better too. - The motivation analysis is free.

the topic is fair taxation,,
and having 50% paying little to nothing is the opposite of fair

 

[struth]

DOGE was supposed to find Trillions of savings. They cut off aid to poor that amounted to no savings for the country but decimated lives. The deficit went up.

Only in name not in practice. I am for whacking it big time. Very unsellable.

SS is not means tested. It is not a true poverty fighter. Its a retirement benefit. You know based on my posting I think it is a boomer scam.

50% of snap goes to children and it is a small piece of the budget. Regardless i am all for killing SNAP and having the states do it. Red states get most of that benefit that is in excess of what they paid. Alabama and the deep south would die. I am fine with it.

We've had a work requirement since the 90's.

1) it was only met to try and find places we can save money. They advised cuts to waste, fraud and abuse…which not surprised connected to dembot causes
2) who you are dumb to SS…it includes SSI which goes to millions with little “means testing”

I know 30 year old men that claim that got foot problems that shit at home collecting it

3) well, then! We agree! I mean I don’t agree that would be the outcome, but at least we agree on something! Look at us!!

4) not one that was good enough, in fact your vote made it more easy during the xiden admin

 

[kyzr]

DOGE just spent all the brainpower in MAGA world creating a budget that is an even larger deficit than before. The issue is all the controllable stuff low information magats focus on are piddly. They amount to nothing.

Not true. The BBB reduced Biden's $2T deficit. Google the 2025 budget deficit.

CBO scores the BBB as adding $2.8T over 10-years, or a $280b deficit a year.

H.R. 1, One Big Beautiful Bill Act (Dynamic Estimate)

As passed by the House of Representatives on May 22, 2025

www.cbo.gov

"Accounting for those budgetary effects, CBO’s estimate under House Rule XIII(8) is that H.R. 1 would increase deficits by $2.8 trillion over the 2025-2034 period (see Table 1)."

However, that $280b a year deficit was based on several assumptions:
1. That the GDP would grow at a 1.8% rate, higher growth gains revenue and reduces the debt.
2. If the Fed lowers interest rates the $1.2T interest on the $40T debt will be reduced
3. Tariff revenue of about $300b a year
4. If congress implements the DOGE savings $200b a year can be saved.

The real issues are not adjustable: War Money, Defense spending, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and interest add up to about 75% of the budget. So you are left with 25% of the budget that mostly runs the country and takes care of vets and poor people.

True. We may need to re-look at the "Penny Solution". Across the board cuts of 1% a year.

The only way to balance the deficit is to raise more income. It is a certainty as certain as the sunrise.

Newt and Clinton had the last balanced budget. It can be done.

 

[citygator]

1) it was only met to try and find places we can save money. They advised cuts to waste, fraud and abuse…which not surprised connected to dembot causes

The failed cuz like most magats they are uniformed about expenses.

2) who you are dumb to SS…it includes SSI which goes to millions with little “means testing”

use english please

I know 30 year old men that claim that got foot problems that shit at home collecting it

Common among the right wing is the story of a the woman in the bmw buying filet mignon with foodstamps. Please. Give it a rest. fraud is incidental and isnt the driving deficit cause.

3) well, then! We agree! I mean I don’t agree that would be the outcome, but at least we agree on something! Look at us!!

Red states are leaches. I think the democrats need to give up on federal aid and let the red states die miserable deaths. The blue states prop them up while the red states complain. F em. California and New York can take care of their citizens and the south can burn for all i care.

4) not one that was good enough, in fact your vote made it more easy during the xiden admin

You said they werent means tested and now not good enough. You have no idea what you are typing on this point. Work requirements are in place and they are strict. Do some homework my friend.