Republicans need to stay conservative

[Soaring]

The Republican party has gone through some presidents and voters leaning to the left of middle in the past several years with the neocons representing themselves as true conservatives. Well, it's about time we true conservatives took back our conservative Republican party. We just need to find the one person who can not only represent the conservative party, but actually win the election for president in 20012. Take a read. Charleston Daily Mail - West Virginia News and Sports - Don Surber - Republicans need to stay conservative 

 

[Toro]

Republicans cannot become so conservative that they turn off Independents.

You cannot win without the Independents. Only 20% of the country considers themselves conservative Republicans. You cannot win only with that demographic.

 

[Oddball]

They cannot "stay" what they aren't to begin with.

For the first six years of the last administration, they were like LBJ democratics on crack.

 

[Bfgrn]

The Republican party has gone through some presidents and voters leaning to the left of middle in the past several years with the neocons representing themselves as true conservatives. Well, it's about time we true conservatives took back our conservative Republican party. We just need to find the one person who can not only represent the conservative party, but actually win the election for president in 20012. Take a read. Charleston Daily Mail - West Virginia News and Sports - Don Surber - Republicans need to stay conservative*

HERE'S a Conservative for ya...

JUST like the last GOP President...

 

[Oddball]

Shrubbie was nowhere near "conservative" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean anymore).

 

[Yurt]

did bush ever bow to the saudi leader like obama did?

 

[Political Junky]

did bush ever bow to the saudi leader like obama did?

I don't know if Bush bowed but they did kiss and hold hands a lot.

 

[Bfgrn]

did bush ever bow to the saudi leader like obama did?

 

[Lightfiend]

You cannot win without the Independents. Only 20% of the country considers themselves conservative Republicans. You cannot win only with that demographic.

I would say many of those independents don't what it means to be truly conservative. I mean classic Republican values of individual freedom, natural rights, free markets, and limited government (similar to classical liberals, believe it or not). Lots of attractive ideas on that side that would attract young and old.

 

[Toro]

You cannot win without the Independents. Only 20% of the country considers themselves conservative Republicans. You cannot win only with that demographic.

I would say many of those independents don't what it means to be truly conservative. I mean classic Republican values of individual freedom, natural rights, free markets, and limited government (similar to classical liberals, believe it or not). Lots of attractive ideas on that side that would attract young and old.

Your typical Independent is conservative on economic issues and liberal on social issues, which is really more libertarian and typical of conservative parties in Europe and Canada.

 

[Oddball]

You cannot win without the Independents. Only 20% of the country considers themselves conservative Republicans. You cannot win only with that demographic.

I would say many of those independents don't what it means to be truly conservative. I mean classic Republican values of individual freedom, natural rights, free markets, and limited government (similar to classical liberals, believe it or not). Lots of attractive ideas on that side that would attract young and old.

Except that republicans have been campaigning like libertarians and governing like the soft socialist liberals they claim to oppose, since at least Eisenhower.

 

[Lightfiend]

Except that republicans have been campaigning like libertarians and governing like the soft socialist liberals they claim to oppose, since at least Eisenhower.

Abolutely agree. 'Tis a tragedy indeed.

 

[Lightfiend]

You cannot win without the Independents. Only 20% of the country considers themselves conservative Republicans. You cannot win only with that demographic.

I would say many of those independents don't what it means to be truly conservative. I mean classic Republican values of individual freedom, natural rights, free markets, and limited government (similar to classical liberals, believe it or not). Lots of attractive ideas on that side that would attract young and old.

Your typical Independent is conservative on economic issues and liberal on social issues, which is really more libertarian and typical of conservative parties in Europe and Canada.

I agree. Libertarian fits nicely with classical liberal philosophy as well as classic Republican values.

 

[Soaring]

No, let's not confuse libertarianism with a true conservative. A true conservative would have absolutely the least amount of government as possible whether it be social or political.

 

[Bfgrn]

No, let's not confuse libertarianism with a true conservative. A true conservative would have absolutely the least amount of government as possible whether it be social or political.

NO, conservatism is based on FEAR...

FEAR leads to BIG military and BIG criminal justice/prison system

Which IS BIG, BIG, BIG government...

Today's Republicans are NOT social ANYTHING...

 

[midcan5]

The corporate think tanks and conservative msm have spent years making liberal a bad word. Much of today's politics is based on labels that are meaningless.

On issues that support Americans how would anyone rate themselves? Libertarians, for instance, believe in a formalist world that never existed and pretend to be classic liberals, again whatever that is.

In truth none of these labels fit perfectly except in the narrow sense that some ideas or policies are attached to right or left. Often the ideas are exaggerated.

In the end it is what you accomplish and what you do that matters. That is why the conservatives now run from Bush Jr and yet Bush Jr would consider himself a conservative through and through.



"Life is living: you cannot describe it to someone who does not know it. It is friendship and enmity, enthusiasm and disenchantment, peristalsis and ideology." Robert Musil

 

[editec]

Republicans are conservatives?

When did that happen?

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Republicans cannot become so conservative that they turn off Independents.

You cannot win without the Independents. Only 20% of the country considers themselves conservative Republicans. You cannot win only with that demographic.

ROFL... 'INDEPENDENTS'

"... become so conservative....

Conservatism is simply what used to be known as common sense.

There's absolutely nothing which a conservative believes which would 'run off' anyone who is 'independent'... What Toro is referring to are the leftists who prefer to avoid the label which best defines them and we intend to run everyone of those sorry sacks of leftism right the hell out of this party... as it is THEY who have saddled us with this socialist, cultural killing regime.

And Conservatism wins everywhere that it is unapologetically advanced...

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

The corporate think tanks and conservative msm have spent years making liberal a bad word.

FALSE! Leftists who DECEITFULLY adopted the word "liberal" imparted their beliefs and implemented policy failures which were founded in such to the word Liberal, through attribution...

Much of today's politics is based on labels that are meaningless.

Say the people who have labeled themselves and summarily discredited the labels they chose... All a label does is describe the contents... Leftists simply lack the means to recognize that its what they contain that discredits the lable... NOT THE LABLE... Thus they are unable to change from that which they contain, which is at the root of all the angst.

But that's idiots for ya...

On issues that support Americans how would anyone rate themselves? Libertarians, for instance, believe in a formalist world that never existed and pretend to be classic liberals, again whatever that is.

You're speaking to principles dipshit... They exist in nature as sure as any other reality. That you choose to read a fabricated history which concludes otherwise says vastly more about YOU than the existance of those CLASSIC Liberal realities...

In truth none of these labels fit perfectly except in the narrow sense that some ideas or policies are attached to right or left. Often the ideas are exaggerated.

In truth, labels fit exactly... where properly applied... You just want to use the rare example where the green beans were labeled corn and demand that 'ya can't trust those things... so lets just leave all the cans bare...

You're a leftists... and that label defines everything anyone needs to know about you, for the purposes of debate; and that's a reality which you're incapable of escaping, because you lack the integrity of character to recognize and turn from the inherent folly of the ideological left, which has lead to the discrediting of your label.
In the end it is what you accomplish and what you do that matters. That is why the conservatives now run from Bush Jr and yet Bush Jr would consider himself a conservative through and through.



"Life is living: you cannot describe it to someone who does not know it. It is friendship and enmity, enthusiasm and disenchantment, peristalsis and ideology." Robert Musil[/QUOTE]

 

[Oddball]

No, let's not confuse libertarianism with a true conservative. A true conservative would have absolutely the least amount of government as possible whether it be social or political.

NO, conservatism is based on FEAR...

FEAR leads to BIG military and BIG criminal justice/prison system

Which IS BIG, BIG, BIG government...

Today's Republicans are NOT social ANYTHING...

And this differs from so-called "liberals" in what way?!?!???

George Wallace was right....Not a dime's worth of difference....