Should The FBI Be Dismantled?

[rightwinger]

The way I understand it, bidens lawyers went through those boxes before they called the FBI.

Biden was treated with kids gloves on that issue. Starting with the fact that he was allowed to keep them for over 30 years and nobody said anything about it

Biden cooperated and turned over all documents

Trump lied and said he didn’t have them and ordered that the boxes be moved

 

[pknopp]

Biden cooperated and turned over all documents

Trump lied and said he didn’t have them and ordered that the boxes be moved

Simply having them was a crime.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Biden cooperated and turned over all documents

Trump lied and said he didn’t have them and ordered that the boxes be moved

Yeah, that's what you all keep saying. I still don't buy that biden had classified material, going back 30 years, that he had no legal right to have, and nobody else knew. Yet trump had people knocking on his door very shortly after he left office.

Trump was working with the FBI to get the documents back. The FBI even knew he had them and told him to put another lock on the door. Then they decided to raid the place.

If you want to say trump did something wrong, that's fine, just don't brush aside that biden never once asked for his records, for 3 decades.

 

[Seymour Flops]

We all know, the people that actually care about America, what has happened to the FBI. Even leftists now admit that maybe, just maybe, the FBI went a little too far and got a little too enthusiastic about their 'missions'

We also know how Kash Patel, Trump's nominee for FBI Director, feels about the FBI. He wants to tear it down. And, the morre I think about it, the more angry I get and the more I agree.

Setting our anger with them aside, can the FBI be saved? I'm interested in hearing, reading, thinking people's thoughts on it.

I dont' think it can be saved without cleaning it out like a pumpkin on Halloween and refilling it with people interested in fighting crime and not running intelligence operations targeting political opponents.

I have no idea why the FBI is such a sacred cow to so many Americans on all parts of the political spectrum. It was corrupt almost since its inception, led by the incredibly corrupt J. Edgar.

In spite of decades of Hollywood depicting the FBI as these incorruptable guardian angels, its popularity with the public is at an all-time low. Let the agents who actually fight crime go to the U.S. Marshalls, DEA, or state and local law enforcement which is where law enforcement belongs. Those agents primarily involved in domestic intelligence gathering, AKA spying on Americans, can be allowed to move into the private sector, becomeing PI's for women going through divorces.

 

[rightwinger]

Yeah, that's what you all keep saying. I still don't buy that biden had classified material, going back 30 years, that he had no legal right to have, and nobody else knew. Yet trump had people knocking on his door very shortly after he left office.

Trump was working with the FBI to get the documents back. The FBI even knew he had them and told him to put another lock on the door. Then they decided to raid the place.

If you want to say trump did something wrong, that's fine, just don't brush aside that biden never once asked for his records, for 3 decades.

Trump was lying about having them while Biden cooperated and turned them in
So did Mike Pence

 

[Jarlaxle]

No, I don't have to rebut, because you are unable to support your dotardish claim. Cartwright's voice: the little orange bitch is bad!

Of course I can, not that you care.

Dr. Whitehurst and the FBI Lab Scandal

When Dr. Frederic Whitehurst initially blew the whistle on the systemic forensic fraud in the FBI crime lab, he could

whistleblowersblog.org

The FBI knowingly framed six innocent men for murder to cover for their stool pigeon.

Murder of Edward Deegan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Stupid cartoons are about your speed.

 

[Lesh]

But the reason why they didn't raid bidens house is a reason why people don't trust the FBI. They should have raided bidens homes and buildings like they did trumps, not wait until bidens lawyers have time to comb through the boxes and then invite the FBI to come take a look.

Why didn’t the FBI raid Biden’s house?

Because cooperated and returned the docs in question

Why did they raid Trump’s house? Because he did NOT cooperate and fought the return of those docs for a year and a half

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

These files have been missing for years. If the FBI had been on the ball they would have figured out where they were at years ago.

Instead they were out planting drugs in the inner cities.

Yes, you are right. Biden followed the law while Trump broke it.

 

[pknopp]

Why didn’t the FBI raid Biden’s house?

Because cooperated and returned the docs in question

Why did they raid Trump’s house? Because he did NOT cooperate and fought the return of those docs for a year and a half

Why didn't they raid Biden's house years ago?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The way I understand it, bidens lawyers went through those boxes before they called the FBI.

Biden was treated with kids gloves on that issue. Starting with the fact that he was allowed to keep them for over 30 years and nobody said anything about it

Biden followed the law, while Trump did not.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Jarlaxle's explanations are allegations not proven evidence.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Why didn’t the FBI raid Biden’s house?

Because cooperated and returned the docs in question

Why did they raid Trump’s house? Because he did NOT cooperate and fought the return of those docs for a year and a half

They liked Biden so much, they gave him a warning well before they went to his house to get the documents. Since he stole them in the first place, there is no reason to believe that he did not cull any seriously incriminating documents with that kind of heads up.

Not that it would have mattered, as it turns out. He was too sympathetic due to his dementia, so he had that little-known "lovable crazy guy" immunity.

 

[Edgetho]

I get what you're saying, and how you feel about it. In some ways I'm with you...But, I think that much of the politicization we see in the FBI comes from the top...

Patel knows 'where the bodies are buried' so to speak. We don't want to overplay our hand like Democrats do...

The thing to do is to make sure that our government is responsive to the people like it was designed, NOT go in with a sledge hammer and break everything....

I am generally supportive of those who wear a Uniform and serve the Public or the Country.

Allow me to tell you a true story --

I had a young couple that were customers of mine. Good-Looking, well-dressed, educated, yuppie Hispanic couple that were going places. Both had good jobs, Middle Management types.

Anyway, she gets pregnant and while she's pregnant, he finds a girlfriend and the very day she comes home from the Hospital with their new baby, he tells her he's leaving her.

Naturally, she fell apart. But she went back to work at the appointed time and at some point later, a couple of her girlfriends took her for a drink to try to comfort her. On her way home she got hit in the tail-end of her car by another car. Wasn't her fault. Not even a little bit. She was dead-stopped at a light. The EMT's show up and persuade her to go to the Hospital.

She goes back to work the next day and everything is fine. Until about two weeks later a Highway Patrolman shows up at her Office, puts her in handcuffs and perp-marches her out the door.

See, in Florida, as well as virtually every other State, if you're involved in an injury-accident that gets someone sent to the Hospital, they require a Blood Test for Alcohol. And she was at .08%.

Funny thing is, the Trooper that arrested her was my customer. Pretty nice guy, too. But he was like every other Cop I've ever known -- It's part of the job. It's what we do. We obey orders.

*Befehl ist Befehl, and that don't cut it with me. I would have quit on the spot

But that's how Cops are. ALL of them. Don't shit yourselves, Cops are not your friends. They work for The State, not for you. They say they Protect and Serve and it's not a lie, but they protect and serve The State, not you.

Many of them... Most of them are good men and women doing a thankless job but let me tell you -- If they get orders to arrest you and take your guns, or arrest you for any other reason, including being on the DC Beltway on J-6...... They're gonna do it.

And the FBI is the worst of all of them. By far.

Just something to keep in mind as we go through the process

*Befehl ist Befehl (“an order is an order”). Used as a defence during the Nuremberg trials (see Nuremberg defense).

 

[Lesh]

They liked Biden so much, they gave him a warning well before they went to his house to get the documents. Since he stole them in the first place, there is no reason to believe that he did not cull any seriously incriminating documents with that kind of heads up.

Not that it would have mattered, as it turns out. He was too sympathetic due to his dementia, so he had that little-known "lovable crazy guy" immunity.

So said Hur… who is now on the enemies list

 

[Lesh]

What really cracks me up is that the FBI bears a large chunk of responsibility for getting Trump elected in the first place.

It was pressure from the NY FBI office that forced Comey to open that bogus investigation of Clinton days before the election

 

[Seymour Flops]

What really cracks me up is that the FBI bears a large chunk of responsibility for getting Trump elected in the first place.

It was pressure from the NY FBI office that forced Comey to open that bogus investigation of Clinton days before the election

I'll say this for Comey. He cared not a whit about politics, party, or policy. He was the more purely driven by self-agrandizement than any public figure since Joseph Stalin, and before Stalin, Napoleon.

That's another reason to disband the FBI. We don't need an agency that purports to be law-enforcement, but who spends the majority of time, money and effort on domestic spying. If today, it were dedicated to nothing more than pro-American non-partisanship in its domestic spying, it could be taken over by another Comey under any given president.

 

[Lesh]

I'll say this for Comey. He cared not a whit about politics, party, or policy. He was the more purely driven by self-agrandizement than any public figure since Joseph Stalin, and before Stalin, Napoleon.

That's another reason to disband the FBI. We don't need an agency that purports to be law-enforcement, but who spends the majority of time, money and effort on domestic spying. If today, it were dedicated to nothing more than pro-American non-partisanship in its domestic spying, it could be taken over by another Comey under any given president.

So Comey gets Trump elected by opening a bogus investigation of Clinton right before an election and that’s proof that too much internal investigation is going on?

Newsflash… that’s the mandate of the FBI.

They are tasked with investigating Federal crimes.

What protection would we have against foreign spies etc. without them?

 

[Failzero]

They have been in need of Defunding since the Richard Jewell Fiasco …

 

[ThisIsMe]

Trump was lying about having them while Biden cooperated and turned them in
So did Mike Pence

You keep skipping over the fact that he had them, without the legal right to do so, most likely broke the law by taking them in the fist place, and and was never asked for them in 30 years.

Biden didn't "give them up", he got panicked when nara and the FBI started poking around trump. If it hadn't been for that, i believe those documents would still be in bidens garage.

 

[j-mac]

I am generally supportive of those who wear a Uniform and serve the Public or the Country.

Allow me to tell you a true story --

I had a young couple that were customers of mine. Good-Looking, well-dressed, educated, yuppie Hispanic couple that were going places. Both had good jobs, Middle Management types.

Anyway, she gets pregnant and while she's pregnant, he finds a girlfriend and the very day she comes home from the Hospital with their new baby, he tells her he's leaving her.

Naturally, she fell apart. But she went back to work at the appointed time and at some point later, a couple of her girlfriends took her for a drink to try to comfort her. On her way home she got hit in the tail-end of her car by another car. Wasn't her fault. Not even a little bit. She was dead-stopped at a light. The EMT's show up and persuade her to go to the Hospital.

She goes back to work the next day and everything is fine. Until about two weeks later a Highway Patrolman shows up at her Office, puts her in handcuffs and perp-marches her out the door.

See, in Florida, as well as virtually every other State, if you're involved in an injury-accident that gets someone sent to the Hospital, they require a Blood Test for Alcohol. And she was at .08%.

Funny thing is, the Trooper that arrested her was my customer. Pretty nice guy, too. But he was like every other Cop I've ever known -- It's part of the job. It's what we do. We obey orders.

*Befehl ist Befehl, and that don't cut it with me. I would have quit on the spot

But that's how Cops are. ALL of them. Don't shit yourselves, Cops are not your friends. They work for The State, not for you. They say they Protect and Serve and it's not a lie, but they protect and serve The State, not you.

Many of them... Most of them are good men and women doing a thankless job but let me tell you -- If they get orders to arrest you and take your guns, or arrest you for any other reason, including being on the DC Beltway on J-6...... They're gonna do it.

And the FBI is the worst of all of them. By far.

Just something to keep in mind as we go through the process

*Befehl ist Befehl (“an order is an order”). Used as a defence during the Nuremberg trials (see Nuremberg defense).

Like I said, I’m torn on it…