Republican bill stops funding to states issuing DL's to illegals

[JoeB131]

I did the same. When I was younger I was in the medical equipment work. I knew back then I couldn't pull oxygen tanks up two flights of stairs and carry electric hospital beds the rest of my life. Then I learned how to fix the equipment, went to several schools around the country. It was not a great paying job, so I went back into truck driving; something I started doing when I was 17 years old.

I was in great physical shape most of my adult life. I used to exercise, lift weights, I became a black belt at the age of 35. Nobody knows what the future holds.

All the more reason to have a back up plan, which you clearly didn't. But enjoy the welfare the rest of us will pay for.

I always passed the physical, but the bureaucrats changed the standards of the physical. That's why I'm not working.

In short, they changed the physical to reflect safe operations. Probably after some guys who "passed" like you did plastered some Volvo like a beer can.

Where are they going to go? What do you think took place in the 70's and after? They were leaving for all kinds of places. That's why the union movement had to be stopped. Industries were leaving the country in droves. They went to Brazil, China mostly, India, Taiwan, South Korea....... How do I know this? I delivered crates to those companies to pack their machines in.

Again, this is where you are a little confused. Those countries are MORE socialist than we are. We aren't talking about where they are doing their manufacturing. we are talking about where they would want to live and invest. and that won't be in some socialist third world country.

Years ago our wages were closer to those in other countries. Thanks to the unions, when our wages went up one dollar an hour, theirs went up two cents. When our wages went up another dollar, theirs went up three cents. Eventually the distance became so great thanks to unions, that our wages are many dollars over theirs, and it made more financial sense to move out of the country. Anybody with a half of brain knew this pattern could not be sustainable. You have to give industry a reason not to move out of the country, otherwise, they will. That's why Republicans support lower taxation on our job creators.

I think you are a bit confused. Those countries never had anything "close" to what we were making. The reason why we didn't import all that much from them is because moving stuff was a lot more expensive than it is now, relative to cost. So you might save a few pennies on labor, but you lose that in transport and tariffs.

Transport became cheaper, tariffs disappeared due to "Free Trade", but the main problem, the guys in the corner offices got greedy once they realized that they didn't have to pay a 93% top marginal rate.

Naw, man, we did not have a bad time because Union guys managed to make a good wage. This is what the One Percenters want you to believe. We are where we are at because the top 10% have 90% of the wealth.

 

[JoeB131]

Because we are a capitalist country first and foremost and Sanders is a self described Socialist and contrary to his rhetoric there is nothing democratic about Socialism. Even mayor Pete and Bloomberg think Sanders is a whack job.

Please point out where Capitalism is established as our economic system in the Constitution.

You didn't think this through at all, did you?

 

[JoeB131]

They are in all kinds of fields of different work. That's the problem.

That Americans don't want to do that kind of work? Um. Yeah.

If Warren wins, much worse. Her promise is that her first day in the White House, she would sign an executive order to stop all fracking within the US. That means our fuel prices will eventually double, a lot of people out of work, and a recession on the horizon.

Fracking doesn't produce that much oil. We could easily make that up buying it from easier sources. This is about the oil industry raping the environment because they can.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Gallup is the most accurate poll.

No it isn't. In 2012, it was the only one that had Romney winning. Even Rasmussen didn't try to claim that.

You didn't think this through at all, did you?

That I did not know. But polls seem to be meaningless these days.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Because we are a capitalist country first and foremost and Sanders is a self described Socialist and contrary to his rhetoric there is nothing democratic about Socialism. Even mayor Pete and Bloomberg think Sanders is a whack job.

Please point out where Capitalism is established as our economic system in the Constitution.

You didn't think this through at all, did you?

The Constitution also doesn’t give women the right to vote? It’s not just about the Constitution.

 

[JoeB131]

That I did not know. But polls seem to be meaningless these days.

NO, they are only "meaningless" because they say things you don't want to hear.

You didn't think this through...well, you know the rest.

The Constitution also doesn’t give women the right to vote? It’s not just about the Constitution.

Um, did you hear about a little thing called "The 19th Amendment". Here, let me help you out.


The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

YOu really aren't thinking these things out at all, are you?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

That I did not know. But polls seem to be meaningless these days.

NO, they are only "meaningless" because they say things you don't want to hear.

You didn't think this through...well, you know the rest.

The Constitution also doesn’t give women the right to vote? It’s not just about the Constitution.

Um, did you hear about a little thing called "The 19th Amendment". Here, let me help you out.


The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

YOu really aren't thinking these things out at all, are you?

19th amendment. So initially it wasn’t there and wasn’t there until what year? Polls stated HRC would win in 2016. What happened? Polls said Brexit would never pass. What happened? I see that you hate capitalism since you are a failure at life at 58. That is sad. Unfortunately for you that is what you have to live with along with Trump as your president for the next 5 yrs. Does that make you sad?

 

[Paulie]

QUID PRO QUO!! IMPEACH HIM AGAIN!!!!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That Americans don't want to do that kind of work? Um. Yeah.

Americans will do any kind of work for the right money. The problem is these people come here stopping that natural wage increase. Those of us on the right and in the middle understand this simple concept. That's why Trump is going to easily win reelection.

The Economist: Tougher Immigration Policy Seems to Raise Wages

Fracking doesn't produce that much oil. We could easily make that up buying it from easier sources. This is about the oil industry raping the environment because they can.

Of course it doesn't. Our drastic fuel price decrease had little to do with fracking. In fact it had nothing to do with us becoming the worlds largest exporter in energy.

 

[JoeB131]

19th amendment. So initially it wasn’t there and wasn’t there until what year?

Wow- The point I was making is nothing in the constitution demands a specific economic system. You didn't think this through at all, did you?

Polls stated HRC would win in 2016. What happened? Polls said Brexit would never pass. What happened?

Polls said hillary would get m ore votes than Trump and she did.

I see that you hate capitalism since you are a failure at life at 58. That is sad. Unfortunately for you that is what you have to live with along with Trump as your president for the next 5 yrs. Does that make you sad?

Trump is gone this year, buddy... Sorry to break that to you.

Capitalism sucks because it's only a system the greedy would love. YOu wonder why you people have the nasty reputation you have.

 

[JoeB131]

Americans will do any kind of work for the right money. The problem is these people come here stopping that natural wage increase. Those of us on the right and in the middle understand this simple concept. That's why Trump is going to easily win reelection.

Actually, he won't because most people hate him. I don't like Commie Bernie, but I'll vote for him in November because I despise Trump so much.

Of course it doesn't. Our drastic fuel price decrease had little to do with fracking. In fact it had nothing to do with us becoming the worlds largest exporter in energy.

What drastic decrease? Unleaded where I'm at is $2.75 a gallon. Yeah, I think the worst it got was 4.10 a gallon.

If it's being 'exported', then we aren't using it.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

19th amendment. So initially it wasn’t there and wasn’t there until what year?

Wow- The point I was making is nothing in the constitution demands a specific economic system. You didn't think this through at all, did you?

Polls stated HRC would win in 2016. What happened? Polls said Brexit would never pass. What happened?

Polls said hillary would get m ore votes than Trump and she did.

I see that you hate capitalism since you are a failure at life at 58. That is sad. Unfortunately for you that is what you have to live with along with Trump as your president for the next 5 yrs. Does that make you sad?

Trump is gone this year, buddy... Sorry to break that to you.

Capitalism sucks because it's only a system the greedy would love. YOu wonder why you people have the nasty reputation you have.

That’s because the word capitalism or communism for that matter was not around then. Marxism was not either. No, polls said she would be our next president and said Brexit would pass. Don’t be so naive. The 5th amendment? Gives the right to own property? Sounds like capitalism to me. You people? You mean Jews? Joe, I am sorry my superior logic and intellect embarrass you on this board. The words min wage and universal healthcare are not in the constitution either so stop crying about them.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

All the more reason to have a back up plan, which you clearly didn't. But enjoy the welfare the rest of us will pay for.

And that I paid for my entire life. That's why I'm using it now. Who would be stupid enough to not use it if being forced to pay into it? I didn't elect to be put out of a career, your precious government made that decision for me. But you are correct, I didn't think the Democrat party back in the day would ever be rushing towards communism. But look at us today.

In short, they changed the physical to reflect safe operations. Probably after some guys who "passed" like you did plastered some Volvo like a beer can.

I know, you love Big Brother so much that you trust them more than licensed doctors. Read last comment.

Again, this is where you are a little confused. Those countries are MORE socialist than we are. We aren't talking about where they are doing their manufacturing. we are talking about where they would want to live and invest. and that won't be in some socialist third world country.

I talked to plant managers and owners alike when I delivered crates to their company. They all wanted to stay here, but had no choice but to leave. The unions refused to let up, and their overseas competition was slowly putting them out of business. It was either move, or eventually join their former employees in the unemployment line. Not really much of a choice.

I think you are a bit confused. Those countries never had anything "close" to what we were making. The reason why we didn't import all that much from them is because moving stuff was a lot more expensive than it is now, relative to cost. So you might save a few pennies on labor, but you lose that in transport and tariffs.

Transport became cheaper, tariffs disappeared due to "Free Trade", but the main problem, the guys in the corner offices got greedy once they realized that they didn't have to pay a 93% top marginal rate.

Naw, man, we did not have a bad time because Union guys managed to make a good wage. This is what the One Percenters want you to believe. We are where we are at because the top 10% have 90% of the wealth.

I didn't say they made close to our wages, I said they were closer. Of course companies weigh in expenses vs profit. But when labor expenses exceed transportation costs, then it's time to move. Also our communications were not nearly as advanced as they are today. Overseas travel was more dangerous as well. Today, a CEO can take care of a company over a cell phone, fax machine, and email. Or if they are overseas, they can stay in touch with family and friends in the US, have board meetings over the internet, track his investments up to the second. They couldn't do that years ago.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

As far as Trump goes, he was accused of hiring illegals for Trump tower. The truth is, Trump hired a demolition company that used illegal Polish workers for the project, and Trump had no knowledge of it. Again, Trump is not in charge of the court system or our laws. Trump is doing more to fight illegal immigration than the last four Presidents combined.

And you left out Mara-a-Largo. And those are the two that have been looked at. Mara-a-Largo wasn't done by a subcontractor. It was done by Rump Industries and those were Rump Industries HR people doing the hiring and coaching of the illegals. There is NO WAY that you can have a hundred illegals working on ANY job without knowing that some of them are illegals. You all think I am just singling out Rump but it's a national problem. It's got to get really, really bad before anyone does anything about it. And it's pushing "Really, Really" bad now. You can't build your wall when you keep hiring those that do sneak in. That just means that more will keep sneaking in even after you build your wall..

Even if Rump were innocent and naive about it, his Rump Industries had to be aware that his Subcontractors were doing this. Rump Industries should have terminated the Subcontractor when it was discovered. There is a reason the low bidder bid in so low. Terminate the subcontractor and go to the next bidder in line. And prosecute the Illegal subcontractor until they are no longer able to operate.

Russia, Russia, Russia, oh wait now it's Mara-Lago, Mara-Lago, Mara Lago... LOL. I can't keep up. Rotflmbo

free ride, free ride, free ride. If you Orange Deity is doing then it's okay if everyone else is doing as well. Forget about the law and the damage it does to middle America. And then you want to complain when a bunch of Democrats offer DLs to Illegals so they are safer to get to that illegal job from that illegal housing.

Stop the jobs and the housing and the Illegals don't have a reason to be driving anywhere much less be there in the first place. Do what needs to be done to stop the Employment. And just deporting them only brings in the next wave. When Rump decides to stop using Illegals and goes after the employers hard to remove the jobs then He gets a attaboy from me. But instead, he's a POS.

Wait a minute, didn't you anti-Trump people complain that he is bypassing Congress to get things done? Now you want him to change laws without Congress?

The Power of the President can help Congress to get rid of the Illegals jobs. Imagine that, the President working with Congress towards something that is actually good for America?

This House refuses to work with the President. The only way to work with Democrats is to do everything their way. Their main goal is to make him look bad, and try to get rid of him. They spent all their time since getting leadership of the House to reach those goals.

They closed down government for the longest time in our history over a border wall. Trump was asking for 3 billion dollars. They didn't counter with 2.5, 2, 1.5, 1 billion. They said no period. Do you know how much 3 billion dollars actually is? It's less than we spend for four weeks of food stamps. It wasn't about money, it was about making sure Trump didn't get credit for a huge decrease in border crossers.

 

[JoeB131]

That’s because the word capitalism or communism for that matter was not around then.

Sigh.

Capitalism has been around since the 16th century, buddy.

No, polls said she would be our next president

No, polls said she would get more votes... I'm sorry this notion confuses you.

The 5th amendment? Gives the right to own property?

Guy, you are getting confused... Fifth Amendment says nothing of the sort. It just prevents self-incrimination. You could maybe consider the FOURTH Amendment a property rights law, if you really, really wanted to stretch.

You didn't think ANY of this through, did you?

I am sorry my superior logic and intellect

Sorry, man, we aren't seeing any "logic" or "intellect"... you don't even rise to the level of a College Debate Club.

let me know when you've grown up and experienced some real life, sonny.

 

[JoeB131]

And that I paid for my entire life. That's why I'm using it now. Who would be stupid enough to not use it if being forced to pay into it? I didn't elect to be put out of a career, your precious government made that decision for me. But you are correct, I didn't think the Democrat party back in the day would ever be rushing towards communism. But look at us today.

Again, you are the one who thinks that getting money from the government is "communist", but given the choice, instead of trying to find some other work you can do (which would have been MY first option) you are grabbing that big old bag of money with both hands.

Now, funny thing, my sister lost her eyesight about 8 years before she passed away, and Social Security Disability fought her tooth and nail before paying her benefits. And she legitimately couldn't work in her chosen field. You whine about food stamps being received by working people (As they have enough cash from somewhere to buy kitty litter, which costs all of $5.00 a bag) but you are grabbing money with both hands when given the opportunity.

I have a real problem with hypocrisy, bud.

I know, you love Big Brother so much that you trust them more than licensed doctors. Read last comment.

The problem with going to private doctors is you could keep "Doctor shopping" until you found one who would sign off. That's a terrible idea when public safety is involved.

I talked to plant managers and owners alike when I delivered crates to their company. They all wanted to stay here, but had no choice but to leave.

Bullshit. Besides I doubt any Plant Managers or Owners really have time to talk to the nameless minion who makes deliveries... do you really think these guys are being honest when they talk about why they are screwing over working folks?

But when labor expenses exceed transportation costs, then it's time to move.

Here's the problem with that mentality. Who are you going to sell your products to if you keep screwing working people out of a living wage? I could have a factory full of robots who work for nothing, but at the end of the day, I still need customers who can afford to pay me.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Actually, he won't because most people hate him. I don't like Commie Bernie, but I'll vote for him in November because I despise Trump so much.

And that's why you people are ruining the country. You vote on representatives like you voted for your favorite American Idol contestant. We on the right vote by results. I'll vote for somebody based on how good of a job they're doing. I don't care how they speak, dress, how nice of a looking family they have, their White House dog. The only thing that matters to me are results, and I love what I'm seeing.

What drastic decrease? Unleaded where I'm at is $2.75 a gallon. Yeah, I think the worst it got was 4.10 a gallon.

If it's being 'exported', then we aren't using it.

What we are doing is flooding the market with oil and natural gas. It brings down prices for everybody which is good for our economy and the global economy. I just passed by my Shell gas station yesterday. $2.38 per gallon. And the only reason it's that high is because our new Governor added a ten cent per gallon road tax.

In a booming economy like this one, it's normal to have those $4.00 a gallon price for gasoline. The better the economy, the more energy used. But look at the chart and see how our prices today compared to recent years before.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

That’s because the word capitalism or communism for that matter was not around then.

Sigh.

Capitalism has been around since the 16th century, buddy.

No, polls said she would be our next president

No, polls said she would get more votes... I'm sorry this notion confuses you.

The 5th amendment? Gives the right to own property?

Guy, you are getting confused... Fifth Amendment says nothing of the sort. It just prevents self-incrimination. You could maybe consider the FOURTH Amendment a property rights law, if you really, really wanted to stretch.

You didn't think ANY of this through, did you?

I am sorry my superior logic and intellect

Sorry, man, we aren't seeing any "logic" or "intellect"... you don't even rise to the level of a College Debate Club.

let me know when you've grown up and experienced some real life, sonny.

It was? LOL

Nope. Capitalism how it is now was not around. Whatever Amendment gives you the right to own property. Real life? I am a father of two kids. That’s as real as it gets. You got? Zero. Makes sense.

 

[Paulie]

19th amendment. So initially it wasn’t there and wasn’t there until what year?

Wow- The point I was making is nothing in the constitution demands a specific economic system. You didn't think this through at all, did you?

Polls stated HRC would win in 2016. What happened? Polls said Brexit would never pass. What happened?

Polls said hillary would get m ore votes than Trump and she did.

I see that you hate capitalism since you are a failure at life at 58. That is sad. Unfortunately for you that is what you have to live with along with Trump as your president for the next 5 yrs. Does that make you sad?

Trump is gone this year, buddy... Sorry to break that to you.

Capitalism sucks because it's only a system the greedy would love. YOu wonder why you people have the nasty reputation you have.

I don’t know if I feel sorry for you people or if I’m going to enjoy watching you cry when he wins re-election

 

[JoeB131]

And that's why you people are ruining the country. You vote on representatives like you voted for your favorite American Idol contestant. We on the right vote by results. I'll vote for somebody based on how good of a job they're doing. I don't care how they speak, dress, how nice of a looking family they have, their White House dog. The only thing that matters to me are results, and I love what I'm seeing.

I'm sure you do.

So let's look at your "results".

When Trump took office, you had a bottom feeder jobs, you didn't have health insurance and you live in a slum in Cleveland.

Four year into Trump, you don't have a job, you don't have health insurance and you STILL live in a slum in Cleveland.

BUT AT LEAST THEY GOT THAT NEGRO OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE!!!

Trump is unfit for office, morally and intellectually...

What we are doing is flooding the market with oil and natural gas. It brings down prices for everybody which is good for our economy and the global economy. I just passed by my Shell gas station yesterday. $2.38 per gallon. And the only reason it's that high is because our new Governor added a ten cent per gallon road tax.

In a booming economy like this one, it's normal to have those $4.00 a gallon price for gasoline. The better the economy, the more energy used. But look at the chart and see how our prices today compared to recent years before.

Actually, the main reason why gasoline is slightly down is most of the world is moving away from it in favor of greener technologies and energy efficiency, which has a lot more to do with it than the fact we are polluting the water supply out in the west with fracking.