Real Jews denounce Israel, fake Jews support it.

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Sobieski was a hero. He should be lionized as such.

A hero for mass murdering Muslims in Europe???

That was self defense, and he was a great hero for defending Europe, when he could've divided Europe between Poles, and Islamic Turks.

Explain how Yiddish German dialect speakers (Ashkenazis) were justified to brutalize Palestinian Arabic dialect speakers who lived there as a majority for close to 1,000 years?

You are such a fcking hypocrite it hurts to read.

So on the one hand, totally fine that your Polish ancestors defeat Muslim Turkish armies in the 17th century.

On the other hand, it’s wrong when Ashkenazi/Mizrahi Jews do it to Muslim Arabs in 1948, 1967, etc and acquire land as a result.

You are nothing but a bigoted POS

Austrians were the majority of Vienna, and defended it with Poles.

Palestinians were the majority of Palestine, and defended it with other Arabs.

Just the Palestinian / Arab coalition lost.
Thus Israel was founded, by immigrating Jews from elsewhere mostly, (Especially Ashkenazi Yiddish German dialect speakers from Poland, Russia, Romania, Hungary, Germany, etc, etc.

PS.
Israel is founded not on Jewish law, which is actually against it as a Sin.
Israel is founded by bigots, supremacists, and materialistic scumbag Zionists.

Jews are indigenous to the land of Israel. They took back what is rightfully theirs.

If tomorrow the Mohawk tribes of upstate NY stage a successful secessionist campaign and militarily defeat you and other Euro-American squatters and expel you from your homes.....too bad.

So, Yiddish German dialect speakers mixed with European on the maternal line, who violate Jewish law are now somehow owed Israel they immigrated to, and ethnic cleansed?

 

[fncceo]

Hasidim Jews practice Judaism more than you do, so why do they believe modern Israel is a sin, eh?

Overwhelmingly, most Hasidic Jewish organizations, including the largest, Lubavitch, are supportive of the State of Israel and nearly a million Haredi Jews live in Israel (about 11% of the population of Israel).


Satmar, a splinter group of Hasidism, takes a pragmatic view of Israel and while they denounce a religious state of Israel, they accept and work with the secular government in Israel. Only Neturei Karta, a group of less than 5,000 members, is openly antagonistic to a secular government in Israel. Ironically, the Neturei Karta was founded in Israel in 1938.

Interesting to note, as far as religious observance is concerned, Hasidic Jews (a group founded in the 1700s) represent only a third of the Orthodox Jewish population and the majority of observant Jews are not Hasidic.

 

[TrueTT]

A hero for mass murdering Muslims in Europe???

That was self defense, and he was a great hero for defending Europe, when he could've divided Europe between Poles, and Islamic Turks.

Explain how Yiddish German dialect speakers (Ashkenazis) were justified to brutalize Palestinian Arabic dialect speakers who lived there as a majority for close to 1,000 years?

You are such a fcking hypocrite it hurts to read.

So on the one hand, totally fine that your Polish ancestors defeat Muslim Turkish armies in the 17th century.

On the other hand, it’s wrong when Ashkenazi/Mizrahi Jews do it to Muslim Arabs in 1948, 1967, etc and acquire land as a result.

You are nothing but a bigoted POS

Austrians were the majority of Vienna, and defended it with Poles.

Palestinians were the majority of Palestine, and defended it with other Arabs.

Just the Palestinian / Arab coalition lost.
Thus Israel was founded, by immigrating Jews from elsewhere mostly, (Especially Ashkenazi Yiddish German dialect speakers from Poland, Russia, Romania, Hungary, Germany, etc, etc.

PS.
Israel is founded not on Jewish law, which is actually against it as a Sin.
Israel is founded by bigots, supremacists, and materialistic scumbag Zionists.

Jews are indigenous to the land of Israel. They took back what is rightfully theirs.

If tomorrow the Mohawk tribes of upstate NY stage a successful secessionist campaign and militarily defeat you and other Euro-American squatters and expel you from your homes.....too bad.

So, Yiddish German dialect speakers mixed with European on the maternal line, who violate Jewish law are now somehow owed Israel they immigrated to, and ethnic cleansed?

Did those Yiddish speakers not revive Hebrew as a lingua franca after thousands of years?

Also, only a minority within Jews (and even Orthodox Jews) claim that Israel’s existence is a violation of Halachic edicts.

But a minority of Americans also identify as 9/11 truthers so....

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

That was self defense, and he was a great hero for defending Europe, when he could've divided Europe between Poles, and Islamic Turks.

Explain how Yiddish German dialect speakers (Ashkenazis) were justified to brutalize Palestinian Arabic dialect speakers who lived there as a majority for close to 1,000 years?

You are such a fcking hypocrite it hurts to read.

So on the one hand, totally fine that your Polish ancestors defeat Muslim Turkish armies in the 17th century.

On the other hand, it’s wrong when Ashkenazi/Mizrahi Jews do it to Muslim Arabs in 1948, 1967, etc and acquire land as a result.

You are nothing but a bigoted POS

Austrians were the majority of Vienna, and defended it with Poles.

Palestinians were the majority of Palestine, and defended it with other Arabs.

Just the Palestinian / Arab coalition lost.
Thus Israel was founded, by immigrating Jews from elsewhere mostly, (Especially Ashkenazi Yiddish German dialect speakers from Poland, Russia, Romania, Hungary, Germany, etc, etc.

PS.
Israel is founded not on Jewish law, which is actually against it as a Sin.
Israel is founded by bigots, supremacists, and materialistic scumbag Zionists.

Jews are indigenous to the land of Israel. They took back what is rightfully theirs.

If tomorrow the Mohawk tribes of upstate NY stage a successful secessionist campaign and militarily defeat you and other Euro-American squatters and expel you from your homes.....too bad.

So, Yiddish German dialect speakers mixed with European on the maternal line, who violate Jewish law are now somehow owed Israel they immigrated to, and ethnic cleansed?

Did those Yiddish speakers not revive Hebrew as a lingua franca after thousands of years?

Also, only a minority within Jews (and even Orthodox Jews) claim that Israel’s existence is a violation of Halachic edicts.

But a minority of Americans also identify as 9/11 truthers so....

The fact is the ones who study Jewish texts the most, see Israel as a Sin.

So, do Lithuanians have the right to ethnic cleanse Kalingrad of Russians, and North-Eastern Poland to revive Old Prussia related to them?

Ethnic cleansing is wrong, just because Ashkenazi Jews are doing it, doesn't make it right.

Palestinians made up a majority of population, and held more land ownership than Jews had up until the 1940's, Israel brutalized them in the Nabka ethnic cleansing a immoral monstrosity.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Hasidim Jews practice Judaism more than you do, so why do they believe modern Israel is a sin, eh?

Overwhelmingly, most Hasidic Jewish organizations, including the largest, Lubavitch, are supportive of the State of Israel and nearly a million Haredi Jews live in Israel (about 11% of the population of Israel).


Satmar, a splinter group of Hasidism, takes a pragmatic view of Israel and while they denounce a religious state of Israel, they accept and work with the secular government in Israel. Only Neturei Karta, a group of less than 5,000 members, is openly antagonistic to a secular government in Israel. Ironically, the Neturei Karta was founded in Israel in 1938.

Interesting to note, as far as religious observance is concerned, Hasidic Jews (a group founded in the 1700s) represent only a third of the Orthodox Jewish population and the majority of observant Jews are not Hasidic.

Satmar Hasidim Jews spend the most time reading, and understanding Jewish texts, and Jewish law.

What makes you believe you're more immense with Jewish knowledge, than they are?

 

[TNHarley]

I agree with the OP. Those impatient jews should wait until God kills all those muzzie invaders.

 

[Blackrook]

It's apparently a Sin to support man-made Israel, according to many Ultra-Orthodox Jews who study Jewish law the most.

So, why is this forgotten by Zionists?

Ultra-Orthodox & Anti-Zionist | My Jewish Learning

The anti-Zionist world-view of the ultra-Orthodox groups Neturei Karta and Satmar Hasidism perceives Zionism and the establishment of the State of Israel as an anti-messianic act, conceived and born from sin. These groups vigorously deny the very legitimacy of the collective political return to the Holy Land and to Jewish sovereignty. For them, this is the handiwork of humans, violating the Jewish people’s oath of political quietism.

In the words of the (as expounded by Rashi), the people were adjured not to return collectively to the Land of Israel by the exertion of physical force, nor to “rebel against the nations of the world,” nor to “hasten the End.” In short, they were required to wait for the heavenly, complete, miraculous, supernatural, and meta-historical redemption that is totally distinct from the realm of human endeavor. This waiting over two millennia manifests the very essence and singularity of the Jewish people, expressing their faith in divine providence, in the assurance of the prophets, and in messianic destiny.

If you're not Jewish, your opinion on who is really a Jew is worth less than nothing.

 

[Dick Foster]

It's apparently a Sin to support man-made Israel, according to many Ultra-Orthodox Jews who study Jewish law the most.

So, why is this forgotten by Zionists?

Ultra-Orthodox & Anti-Zionist | My Jewish Learning

The anti-Zionist world-view of the ultra-Orthodox groups Neturei Karta and Satmar Hasidism perceives Zionism and the establishment of the State of Israel as an anti-messianic act, conceived and born from sin. These groups vigorously deny the very legitimacy of the collective political return to the Holy Land and to Jewish sovereignty. For them, this is the handiwork of humans, violating the Jewish people’s oath of political quietism.

In the words of the (as expounded by Rashi), the people were adjured not to return collectively to the Land of Israel by the exertion of physical force, nor to “rebel against the nations of the world,” nor to “hasten the End.” In short, they were required to wait for the heavenly, complete, miraculous, supernatural, and meta-historical redemption that is totally distinct from the realm of human endeavor. This waiting over two millennia manifests the very essence and singularity of the Jewish people, expressing their faith in divine providence, in the assurance of the prophets, and in messianic destiny.

If you're not Jewish, your opinion on who is really a Jew is worth less than nothing.

I agree. Well except maybe for pretend Jews living in this country. The only real Jews all live in Isarel.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

It's apparently a Sin to support man-made Israel, according to many Ultra-Orthodox Jews who study Jewish law the most.

So, why is this forgotten by Zionists?

Ultra-Orthodox & Anti-Zionist | My Jewish Learning

The anti-Zionist world-view of the ultra-Orthodox groups Neturei Karta and Satmar Hasidism perceives Zionism and the establishment of the State of Israel as an anti-messianic act, conceived and born from sin. These groups vigorously deny the very legitimacy of the collective political return to the Holy Land and to Jewish sovereignty. For them, this is the handiwork of humans, violating the Jewish people’s oath of political quietism.

In the words of the (as expounded by Rashi), the people were adjured not to return collectively to the Land of Israel by the exertion of physical force, nor to “rebel against the nations of the world,” nor to “hasten the End.” In short, they were required to wait for the heavenly, complete, miraculous, supernatural, and meta-historical redemption that is totally distinct from the realm of human endeavor. This waiting over two millennia manifests the very essence and singularity of the Jewish people, expressing their faith in divine providence, in the assurance of the prophets, and in messianic destiny.

If you're not Jewish, your opinion on who is really a Jew is worth less than nothing.

Hmm, and yet Satmar Hasidim Jews who from cradle to grave study Jewish texts, and Jewish law, think that modern Israel is a sin.
Now why is that?

 

[Mindful]

It's apparently a Sin to support man-made Israel, according to many Ultra-Orthodox Jews who study Jewish law the most.

So, why is this forgotten by Zionists?

Ultra-Orthodox & Anti-Zionist | My Jewish Learning

The anti-Zionist world-view of the ultra-Orthodox groups Neturei Karta and Satmar Hasidism perceives Zionism and the establishment of the State of Israel as an anti-messianic act, conceived and born from sin. These groups vigorously deny the very legitimacy of the collective political return to the Holy Land and to Jewish sovereignty. For them, this is the handiwork of humans, violating the Jewish people’s oath of political quietism.

In the words of the (as expounded by Rashi), the people were adjured not to return collectively to the Land of Israel by the exertion of physical force, nor to “rebel against the nations of the world,” nor to “hasten the End.” In short, they were required to wait for the heavenly, complete, miraculous, supernatural, and meta-historical redemption that is totally distinct from the realm of human endeavor. This waiting over two millennia manifests the very essence and singularity of the Jewish people, expressing their faith in divine providence, in the assurance of the prophets, and in messianic destiny.

If you're not Jewish, your opinion on who is really a Jew is worth less than nothing.

Hmm, and yet Satmar Hasidim Jews who from cradle to grave study Jewish texts, and Jewish law, think that modern Israel is a sin.
Now why is that?

You have an unhealthy preoccupation with Jews.

 

[theHawk]

It's apparently a Sin to support man-made Israel, according to many Ultra-Orthodox Jews who study Jewish law the most.

So, why is this forgotten by Zionists?

Ultra-Orthodox & Anti-Zionist | My Jewish Learning

The anti-Zionist world-view of the ultra-Orthodox groups Neturei Karta and Satmar Hasidism perceives Zionism and the establishment of the State of Israel as an anti-messianic act, conceived and born from sin. These groups vigorously deny the very legitimacy of the collective political return to the Holy Land and to Jewish sovereignty. For them, this is the handiwork of humans, violating the Jewish people’s oath of political quietism.

In the words of the (as expounded by Rashi), the people were adjured not to return collectively to the Land of Israel by the exertion of physical force, nor to “rebel against the nations of the world,” nor to “hasten the End.” In short, they were required to wait for the heavenly, complete, miraculous, supernatural, and meta-historical redemption that is totally distinct from the realm of human endeavor. This waiting over two millennia manifests the very essence and singularity of the Jewish people, expressing their faith in divine providence, in the assurance of the prophets, and in messianic destiny.

You are so funny. Sobieski was a bigot who hated Muslims, killed many of them & rid Muslims from Europe. Please post more often. So little left for us to laugh at these days.

Poland’s King Jan Sobieski Is Remembered during President Trump Visit « Limits to Growth

Muslims, and also Jews aren't really indigenous Europeans.
Also Ashkenazis aren't really indigenous Middle-Easterners, anymore, either.

Why do they violate Jewish texts, and created a monstrosity of Israel, which brutally occupies Palestine?

No, they aren’t indigenous to Europe. Which is why they belong in the Middle East. Yet you object to Jews having their own nation based on their culture, religion, and language.

Do you also object to all the Islamic nations that only allow for their brand of Islam?

 

[admonit]

Real Jews denounce Israel, fake Jews support it

There is no "real Jews" and "fake Jews", but there are real Nazis. You are one of them.

 

[rylah]

It's apparently a Sin to support man-made Israel, according to many Ultra-Orthodox Jews who study Jewish law the most.

So, why is this forgotten by Zionists?

Ultra-Orthodox & Anti-Zionist | My Jewish Learning

The anti-Zionist world-view of the ultra-Orthodox groups Neturei Karta and Satmar Hasidism perceives Zionism and the establishment of the State of Israel as an anti-messianic act, conceived and born from sin. These groups vigorously deny the very legitimacy of the collective political return to the Holy Land and to Jewish sovereignty. For them, this is the handiwork of humans, violating the Jewish people’s oath of political quietism.

In the words of the (as expounded by Rashi), the people were adjured not to return collectively to the Land of Israel by the exertion of physical force, nor to “rebel against the nations of the world,” nor to “hasten the End.” In short, they were required to wait for the heavenly, complete, miraculous, supernatural, and meta-historical redemption that is totally distinct from the realm of human endeavor. This waiting over two millennia manifests the very essence and singularity of the Jewish people, expressing their faith in divine providence, in the assurance of the prophets, and in messianic destiny.

There's no such thing as "real" or "not real" Jews, one either a Jew or is not.
There's no such thing as "Ultra-Orthodox who study Jewish law the most", all orthodox study law.

The writer of the article failed to understand the meaning of the theological argument of Satmar and NK, and the differences between both, as well as mention that both are tiny minority groups that are much younger than political Zionism itself.

According to the Satmar and NK teachings, the argument as presented in the article, is false in the most basic sense of its order, that's not what they argue but one step before that is the focus subject in Rabbi Teitelboim's ZTZ"L teaching. But to understand that one needs to at least read the book.

 

[rylah]

You are so funny. Sobieski was a bigot who hated Muslims, killed many of them & rid Muslims from Europe. Please post more often. So little left for us to laugh at these days.

Poland’s King Jan Sobieski Is Remembered during President Trump Visit « Limits to Growth

Muslims, and also Jews aren't really indigenous Europeans.
Also Ashkenazis aren't really indigenous Middle-Easterners, anymore, either.

Why do they violate Jewish texts, and created a monstrosity of Israel, which brutally occupies Palestine?

Oh now I get it. "Israel occupies Palestine" where indigenous Palestinians were Jews. Not a single Muslim in existence let alone Muslim Palestinians. Shame on those Zionists for their damn peace offerings to Muslim Palestinians, security fence & land concessions only to be thanked with rocket missiles. And who said SobieskiSavedEurope is an imbecile?

Why do Jewish texts, say that man-made modern Israel is a Sin against nature?

Far more Palestinians have been killed, than Israelis in the conflict.

Total Casualties, Arab-Israeli Conflict

I'll be darned. How wrong I was. Now a Pole gives us the most classic case of Palestinian Mentality. Palis attack & kill Israeli's. Israel retaliates & then the Palis & their supporters bitch about how many more dead Palestinians there are than Israeli's. And the Palis just keep doing it over & over again. I think the Pali's need to learn the first law of the hole. When you're already in one --- Stop digging! Heh Heh!

Why do Hasidim Jews more Jewish than you, believe modern Israel is a Sin, exactly?

That statement is self contradictory.
All of Hassidut exists exactly for simple Jews who never had any real chance to study in the first place.
There's no "more Jewish' or "less Jewish" simply because essentially Hassidut sees the simplest Jews as the one with the most potential for heights that no Jew with no sin could ever reach.

 

[rylah]

A hero for mass murdering Muslims in Europe???

That was self defense, and he was a great hero for defending Europe, when he could've divided Europe between Poles, and Islamic Turks.

Explain how Yiddish German dialect speakers (Ashkenazis) were justified to brutalize Palestinian Arabic dialect speakers who lived there as a majority for close to 1,000 years?

You are such a fcking hypocrite it hurts to read.

So on the one hand, totally fine that your Polish ancestors defeat Muslim Turkish armies in the 17th century.

On the other hand, it’s wrong when Ashkenazi/Mizrahi Jews do it to Muslim Arabs in 1948, 1967, etc and acquire land as a result.

You are nothing but a bigoted POS

Austrians were the majority of Vienna, and defended it with Poles.

Palestinians were the majority of Palestine, and defended it with other Arabs.

Just the Palestinian / Arab coalition lost.
Thus Israel was founded, by immigrating Jews from elsewhere mostly, (Especially Ashkenazi Yiddish German dialect speakers from Poland, Russia, Romania, Hungary, Germany, etc, etc.

PS.
Israel is founded not on Jewish law, which is actually against it as a Sin.
Israel is founded by bigots, supremacists, and materialistic scumbag Zionists.

Jews are indigenous to the land of Israel. They took back what is rightfully theirs.

If tomorrow the Mohawk tribes of upstate NY stage a successful secessionist campaign and militarily defeat you and other Euro-American squatters and expel you from your homes.....too bad.

So, Yiddish German dialect speakers mixed with European on the maternal line, who violate Jewish law are now somehow owed Israel they immigrated to, and ethnic cleansed?

Can You find me one generation that didn't sin?
They can Speak Amharic or Arabic and Farsi, doesn't matter, mere fact of them taking the burden of inheriting the land, living in the place where there's more Torah than anywhere in the world, die protecting the nation or simply walk 4 steps on the holy land gives them the world to come.

That they did raise from the ashes and came from all corners of the world to win enemies much larger than them and revive the land like no one has - shows You that indeed it is these people who were given the great merit of living the fulfillment of the scripture.

 

[rylah]

It's apparently a Sin to support man-made Israel, according to many Ultra-Orthodox Jews who study Jewish law the most.

So, why is this forgotten by Zionists?

Ultra-Orthodox & Anti-Zionist | My Jewish Learning

The anti-Zionist world-view of the ultra-Orthodox groups Neturei Karta and Satmar Hasidism perceives Zionism and the establishment of the State of Israel as an anti-messianic act, conceived and born from sin. These groups vigorously deny the very legitimacy of the collective political return to the Holy Land and to Jewish sovereignty. For them, this is the handiwork of humans, violating the Jewish people’s oath of political quietism.

In the words of the (as expounded by Rashi), the people were adjured not to return collectively to the Land of Israel by the exertion of physical force, nor to “rebel against the nations of the world,” nor to “hasten the End.” In short, they were required to wait for the heavenly, complete, miraculous, supernatural, and meta-historical redemption that is totally distinct from the realm of human endeavor. This waiting over two millennia manifests the very essence and singularity of the Jewish people, expressing their faith in divine providence, in the assurance of the prophets, and in messianic destiny.

If you're not Jewish, your opinion on who is really a Jew is worth less than nothing.

Hmm, and yet Satmar Hasidim Jews who from cradle to grave study Jewish texts, and Jewish law, think that modern Israel is a sin.
Now why is that?

Satmar teaching is itself more modern than modern Israel.
And yet they are among the most charitable investors in the nation dwelling in Zion.

But You won't hear that in the news.

 

[toobfreak]

Real Jews denounce Israel, fake Jews support it.

If such simplistic logic were true we'd have legions of true liberals also denouncing the Democratic Party as a radical socialist hate group, but they are all afraid of having the New Deal Left coming to their house to burn it down.

 

[rylah]

It's apparently a Sin to support man-made Israel, according to many Ultra-Orthodox Jews who study Jewish law the most.

So, why is this forgotten by Zionists?

Ultra-Orthodox & Anti-Zionist | My Jewish Learning

The anti-Zionist world-view of the ultra-Orthodox groups Neturei Karta and Satmar Hasidism perceives Zionism and the establishment of the State of Israel as an anti-messianic act, conceived and born from sin. These groups vigorously deny the very legitimacy of the collective political return to the Holy Land and to Jewish sovereignty. For them, this is the handiwork of humans, violating the Jewish people’s oath of political quietism.

In the words of the (as expounded by Rashi), the people were adjured not to return collectively to the Land of Israel by the exertion of physical force, nor to “rebel against the nations of the world,” nor to “hasten the End.” In short, they were required to wait for the heavenly, complete, miraculous, supernatural, and meta-historical redemption that is totally distinct from the realm of human endeavor. This waiting over two millennia manifests the very essence and singularity of the Jewish people, expressing their faith in divine providence, in the assurance of the prophets, and in messianic destiny.

If you're not Jewish, your opinion on who is really a Jew is worth less than nothing.

I agree. Well except maybe for pretend Jews living in this country. The only real Jews all live in Isarel.

The Nasi of the generation lived in the US.
One of the most respected rabbis in Israel was appointed as the Rabbi of Morocco.

They're all there because they care for real Jews.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Real Jews denounce Israel, fake Jews support it

There is no "real Jews" and "fake Jews", but there are real Nazis. You are one of them.

Fake Jews as in not correctly following their religious texts.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

It's apparently a Sin to support man-made Israel, according to many Ultra-Orthodox Jews who study Jewish law the most.

So, why is this forgotten by Zionists?

Ultra-Orthodox & Anti-Zionist | My Jewish Learning

The anti-Zionist world-view of the ultra-Orthodox groups Neturei Karta and Satmar Hasidism perceives Zionism and the establishment of the State of Israel as an anti-messianic act, conceived and born from sin. These groups vigorously deny the very legitimacy of the collective political return to the Holy Land and to Jewish sovereignty. For them, this is the handiwork of humans, violating the Jewish people’s oath of political quietism.

In the words of the (as expounded by Rashi), the people were adjured not to return collectively to the Land of Israel by the exertion of physical force, nor to “rebel against the nations of the world,” nor to “hasten the End.” In short, they were required to wait for the heavenly, complete, miraculous, supernatural, and meta-historical redemption that is totally distinct from the realm of human endeavor. This waiting over two millennia manifests the very essence and singularity of the Jewish people, expressing their faith in divine providence, in the assurance of the prophets, and in messianic destiny.

If you're not Jewish, your opinion on who is really a Jew is worth less than nothing.

Hmm, and yet Satmar Hasidim Jews who from cradle to grave study Jewish texts, and Jewish law, think that modern Israel is a sin.
Now why is that?

Satmar teaching is itself more modern than modern Israel.
And yet they are among the most charitable investors in the nation dwelling in Zion.

But You won't hear that in the news.

Satmar are actually following Jewish texts, Zionists are following genocide mania, and sin.