Question from a non-American. Do you guys really hate each other?

[deanrd]

Yes, it has come down to hate

Our political system used to rely on compromise. I’ll give a little, you give a little and we will meet somewhere in the middle

Now a win/win solution can’t be tolerated because it allows the other side to win also

compromise is whats destroyed this country, rule of law is what made it great,,,ie the constitution


the only thing compromise gives you is two losing sides

My God, have you ever read the constitution? It's not a list of orders like the ten commandments. It's a document of government designed around negotiation. Think three branches of government. Why is that?
Think MF, THINK!!!!

 

[progressive hunter]

I am not American but I do find American politics to be quite interesting in a sort of soap opera sort of way but one thing I really don't get is in America, unlike my own country (Australia) there seems to be a genuine hatred between the left and right, as in both would love to completely destroy the other and pretty much hate everything that the other side stands for.

I know my country the left wing party (Labor) and the right wing party (Liberals) are not too far away from each other politically, and while there is a lot of animosity there is not really any hatred. In America though I get the impression that the Republicans would have welcomed a recession when Obama was in charge as that way he would have been blamed, and Democrats would welcome a market crash now because he would be blamed, it seemingly not mattering that your country would be falling down a toilet, as long as the other side gets the blame for it.

Admittedly I don't know the politics of every fully Democratic nation, that would be impossible, but as far as I know America is quite unique in just how much both sides hate each other.

My question is do both sides genuinely hate each other, would each side be happy to see America burn if they could blame the other side, and if this is the case?

I also must admit that the differences between the US states is quite amazing. I go from one state in my own country to another, and basically they are the same, more or less anyway, but in America I get the feeling that New York and California are so different to Texas and Alabama that they may as well be in different countries in terms of beliefs and general ideology on almost every issue. I find it amazing that these states are in the same country as it almost feels as convoluted as the Austro-Hungarian empire, with dozens of different ethnic groups within the one country, all wanting very different things and none of them feeling that united.

So my general question is how divided is America, is it so divided that one side of politics would love to see America enter a deep depression just so the other political party could be blamed for it, and if so is that a healthy situation to be in?

Not that I am advocating for it, but with the massive differences between the red and the blue states America from an outsiders point of view seems like it is in a very unhappy marriage where both parties are staying together for the sake of the children, but end up fighting a lot in front of the children and making them cry so I wonder, if what I am saying is remotely accurate why isn't there more talk about an amicable divorce, where the blue states go their own way and the red states go another, where both sides can go the direction they want to go and seemingly not being held back by the other side.

I mean, do the people of Alabama really care that much about the people of New York, or vice-versa? Also is politics and America in general as divided as I have made out, or is America more like siblings who hate each other and will kick the crap out of each other but deep down love each other as well, even though they would never admit it?

In a nation like the US, there are trends.
The two parties used to be quite similar.
But in recent years, the GOP has grown apart from US values.
It's a party that has a base that claims to be religious, is mostly white, with a leadership that cares more about corporations than people. Even many Republicans now claim that corporations are people and must be protected over "real" people. The GOP leadership lives to loot the country.
The GOP has grown into a nearly all white party home to remnants of the KKK, the American Nazi Party, the Alt White, white supremacists and the Aryan Nation. Occasionally, some deny it, but most are on board. And the one thing, education, that could get the GOP out of their tragic slump, they believe is bad for America. It's like a sick person believing medicine that could cure their illness is actually poison. Sadly, that's the actual case for many Republicans.
Many Republicans say the immigrants are carriers of disease. But since Republicans feel vaccines cause autism, when they don't even know what autism is, because their children are unvaccinated, it's the children of immigrants who need to worry about catching something from Republicans.
It won't last forever.
In the 30's, when there was the great dust bowl, conservatives destroyed the land. When government scientists came in and showed them how to reclaim abused land, at first, they fought it, but after a while, when farmers could see those methods worked, they were adopted. And ones that didn't were forced into it by their neighbors. And today, those methods are used without question all over the midwest.
It will be painful, but it will happen to right wingers once again. They will be tired of having nothing, of being uneducated, of being looked down on. They will eventually seek education and become competitive. They just haven't figured that out yet.

sorry but both partys have gotten away from human values


and to say the democrats ever had them is just a lie,,,they are after all the party of slavery,KKK and jim crow

 

[progressive hunter]

Yes, it has come down to hate

Our political system used to rely on compromise. I’ll give a little, you give a little and we will meet somewhere in the middle

Now a win/win solution can’t be tolerated because it allows the other side to win also

compromise is whats destroyed this country, rule of law is what made it great,,,ie the constitution


the only thing compromise gives you is two losing sides

My God, have you ever read the constitution? It's not a list of orders like the ten commandments. It's a document of government designed around negotiation. Think three branches of government. Why is that?
Think MF, THINK!!!!

sorry but youre wrong,,,its a list of specific duties and if that duty is not in it then it falls to the state or the people

in fact its very specific and doesnt leave room for compromise

 

[anynameyouwish]

Yes, it has come down to hate

Our political system used to rely on compromise. I’ll give a little, you give a little and we will meet somewhere in the middle

Now a win/win solution can’t be tolerated because it allows the other side to win also

compromise is whats destroyed this country, rule of law is what made it great,,,ie the constitution


the only thing compromise gives you is two losing sides

My God, have you ever read the constitution? It's not a list of orders like the ten commandments. It's a document of government designed around negotiation. Think three branches of government. Why is that?
Think MF, THINK!!!!

More like a Roberts Rules of Order?

 

[anynameyouwish]

I am not American but I do find American politics to be quite interesting in a sort of soap opera sort of way but one thing I really don't get is in America, unlike my own country (Australia) there seems to be a genuine hatred between the left and right, as in both would love to completely destroy the other and pretty much hate everything that the other side stands for.

I know my country the left wing party (Labor) and the right wing party (Liberals) are not too far away from each other politically, and while there is a lot of animosity there is not really any hatred. In America though I get the impression that the Republicans would have welcomed a recession when Obama was in charge as that way he would have been blamed, and Democrats would welcome a market crash now because he would be blamed, it seemingly not mattering that your country would be falling down a toilet, as long as the other side gets the blame for it.

Admittedly I don't know the politics of every fully Democratic nation, that would be impossible, but as far as I know America is quite unique in just how much both sides hate each other.

My question is do both sides genuinely hate each other, would each side be happy to see America burn if they could blame the other side, and if this is the case?

I also must admit that the differences between the US states is quite amazing. I go from one state in my own country to another, and basically they are the same, more or less anyway, but in America I get the feeling that New York and California are so different to Texas and Alabama that they may as well be in different countries in terms of beliefs and general ideology on almost every issue. I find it amazing that these states are in the same country as it almost feels as convoluted as the Austro-Hungarian empire, with dozens of different ethnic groups within the one country, all wanting very different things and none of them feeling that united.

So my general question is how divided is America, is it so divided that one side of politics would love to see America enter a deep depression just so the other political party could be blamed for it, and if so is that a healthy situation to be in?

Not that I am advocating for it, but with the massive differences between the red and the blue states America from an outsiders point of view seems like it is in a very unhappy marriage where both parties are staying together for the sake of the children, but end up fighting a lot in front of the children and making them cry so I wonder, if what I am saying is remotely accurate why isn't there more talk about an amicable divorce, where the blue states go their own way and the red states go another, where both sides can go the direction they want to go and seemingly not being held back by the other side.

I mean, do the people of Alabama really care that much about the people of New York, or vice-versa? Also is politics and America in general as divided as I have made out, or is America more like siblings who hate each other and will kick the crap out of each other but deep down love each other as well, even though they would never admit it?

In a nation like the US, there are trends.
The two parties used to be quite similar.
But in recent years, the GOP has grown apart from US values.
It's a party that has a base that claims to be religious, is mostly white, with a leadership that cares more about corporations than people. Even many Republicans now claim that corporations are people and must be protected over "real" people. The GOP leadership lives to loot the country.
The GOP has grown into a nearly all white party home to remnants of the KKK, the American Nazi Party, the Alt White, white supremacists and the Aryan Nation. Occasionally, some deny it, but most are on board. And the one thing, education, that could get the GOP out of their tragic slump, they believe is bad for America. It's like a sick person believing medicine that could cure their illness is actually poison. Sadly, that's the actual case for many Republicans.
Many Republicans say the immigrants are carriers of disease. But since Republicans feel vaccines cause autism, when they don't even know what autism is, because their children are unvaccinated, it's the children of immigrants who need to worry about catching something from Republicans.
It won't last forever.
In the 30's, when there was the great dust bowl, conservatives destroyed the land. When government scientists came in and showed them how to reclaim abused land, at first, they fought it, but after a while, when farmers could see those methods worked, they were adopted. And ones that didn't were forced into it by their neighbors. And today, those methods are used without question all over the midwest.
It will be painful, but it will happen to right wingers once again. They will be tired of having nothing, of being uneducated, of being looked down on. They will eventually seek education and become competitive. They just haven't figured that out yet.

sorry but both partys have gotten away from human values


and to say the democrats ever had them is just a lie,,,they are after all the party of slavery,KKK and jim crow

"and to say the democrats ever had them is just a lie,,,they are after all the party of slavery,KKK and jim crow"

This is true!

Back when the DEMOCRATS were CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS.

 

[progressive hunter]

I am not American but I do find American politics to be quite interesting in a sort of soap opera sort of way but one thing I really don't get is in America, unlike my own country (Australia) there seems to be a genuine hatred between the left and right, as in both would love to completely destroy the other and pretty much hate everything that the other side stands for.

I know my country the left wing party (Labor) and the right wing party (Liberals) are not too far away from each other politically, and while there is a lot of animosity there is not really any hatred. In America though I get the impression that the Republicans would have welcomed a recession when Obama was in charge as that way he would have been blamed, and Democrats would welcome a market crash now because he would be blamed, it seemingly not mattering that your country would be falling down a toilet, as long as the other side gets the blame for it.

Admittedly I don't know the politics of every fully Democratic nation, that would be impossible, but as far as I know America is quite unique in just how much both sides hate each other.

My question is do both sides genuinely hate each other, would each side be happy to see America burn if they could blame the other side, and if this is the case?

I also must admit that the differences between the US states is quite amazing. I go from one state in my own country to another, and basically they are the same, more or less anyway, but in America I get the feeling that New York and California are so different to Texas and Alabama that they may as well be in different countries in terms of beliefs and general ideology on almost every issue. I find it amazing that these states are in the same country as it almost feels as convoluted as the Austro-Hungarian empire, with dozens of different ethnic groups within the one country, all wanting very different things and none of them feeling that united.

So my general question is how divided is America, is it so divided that one side of politics would love to see America enter a deep depression just so the other political party could be blamed for it, and if so is that a healthy situation to be in?

Not that I am advocating for it, but with the massive differences between the red and the blue states America from an outsiders point of view seems like it is in a very unhappy marriage where both parties are staying together for the sake of the children, but end up fighting a lot in front of the children and making them cry so I wonder, if what I am saying is remotely accurate why isn't there more talk about an amicable divorce, where the blue states go their own way and the red states go another, where both sides can go the direction they want to go and seemingly not being held back by the other side.

I mean, do the people of Alabama really care that much about the people of New York, or vice-versa? Also is politics and America in general as divided as I have made out, or is America more like siblings who hate each other and will kick the crap out of each other but deep down love each other as well, even though they would never admit it?

In a nation like the US, there are trends.
The two parties used to be quite similar.
But in recent years, the GOP has grown apart from US values.
It's a party that has a base that claims to be religious, is mostly white, with a leadership that cares more about corporations than people. Even many Republicans now claim that corporations are people and must be protected over "real" people. The GOP leadership lives to loot the country.
The GOP has grown into a nearly all white party home to remnants of the KKK, the American Nazi Party, the Alt White, white supremacists and the Aryan Nation. Occasionally, some deny it, but most are on board. And the one thing, education, that could get the GOP out of their tragic slump, they believe is bad for America. It's like a sick person believing medicine that could cure their illness is actually poison. Sadly, that's the actual case for many Republicans.
Many Republicans say the immigrants are carriers of disease. But since Republicans feel vaccines cause autism, when they don't even know what autism is, because their children are unvaccinated, it's the children of immigrants who need to worry about catching something from Republicans.
It won't last forever.
In the 30's, when there was the great dust bowl, conservatives destroyed the land. When government scientists came in and showed them how to reclaim abused land, at first, they fought it, but after a while, when farmers could see those methods worked, they were adopted. And ones that didn't were forced into it by their neighbors. And today, those methods are used without question all over the midwest.
It will be painful, but it will happen to right wingers once again. They will be tired of having nothing, of being uneducated, of being looked down on. They will eventually seek education and become competitive. They just haven't figured that out yet.

sorry but both partys have gotten away from human values


and to say the democrats ever had them is just a lie,,,they are after all the party of slavery,KKK and jim crow

"and to say the democrats ever had them is just a lie,,,they are after all the party of slavery,KKK and jim crow"

This is true!

Back when the DEMOCRATS were CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS.

that word conservative is as flexible as a rubber band unless youre specific to what you are conserving

 

[Andylusion]

based on your list that would make them anti-communist

Unions aren't communism they are the only advocate workers have besides Democrats.

Please. Both unions and democrats, live off they confiscate from workers. Advocate my butt. Why is it Republicans have to pass a law, that "allows" workers to work without being forced to fund groups they don't support, if their only advocates are unions and democrats?

Pff..... you people.


That said, if you were actually right.... then I even now, wouldn't have nearly as much of a problem with Unions. But I routinely see Unions advocating bad socialistic economic policies. If Unions would stop doing stuff like that, and focus more exclusively on doing what is best for their members, instead of doing what is best for the Unions leadership... then I would be more sympathetic.

I wasn't looking to get into an argument about if unions are corrupt greedy lazy and bloated. That's what Republicans like you told us when you were sending all their good paying jobs overseas. And you wonder why Americans are struggling and not doing as well as we did before they broke our unions. No coincidence as union membership declined, so did the middle class. Another way the rich have widened the gap between us and them.

But now you see how Republicans were able to get away with sending all those jobs overseas. They were all union jobs. So no shit the middle class isn't doing as well today as they were before all their jobs disappeared. No shit Detroit is hurting. You sent all our high paying jobs overseas. Not to Tennessee you passed TN and sent them to Mexico..

Of course unions survive off what they collect from workers. Any worker not paying dues should not be protected by the union but they are. That should stop.

But that is why jobs were going over seas. You create a problem, and the problem leads to a counter actions, and then we told you why it was happening.

What part of that is hard to understand?

The unions broke themselves. They priced themselves above the market, and the market broke them.

You are arguing against the fundamentals of economics, like a crazy person would argue against gravity.

Right-winger "When you step off the edge, you will fall and hurt yourself"

Left-winger "You guys are just telling us we're going to fall, instead of fixing this!"

Consumers are naturally going to migrate towards cheaper alternatives. That's how free markets work. When the Unions made themselves expensive relative to non-union alternatives, then this is what happens.

Don't blame us for the fact that Toyota and Honda did not declare bankruptcy and close a bunch of plants, and even opened new plants, while GM and Chrysler both did.

Don't blame us when Hostess closes down, lays everyone off, and then reopens as a completely profitable, but non-union shop.

Unions destroyed themselves. Not us.

There is no one to blame but the man in the mirror for what has happened to the Unions.

Bottom line is American workers made the most so with or without unions corporations were going to send jobs overseas IF YOU LET THEM and not only did you let them you defended them

Not true. There are a number of reasons companies outsource, and not all are just about cost of labor.

But if you doubt that, then explain this to me.....

Why is Airbus expanding it's aircraft manufacturing plant in Alabama?
Why is Fuyao Glass, a company from China, opening a plant in Ohio?
Why has Toyota, Honda and Hyundai, all opened new manufacturing plants, or expanding existing manufacturing plants, in the last 10 years?
Why is Nucor Steel Corporation expanding their manufacturing in the US?

I could list dozens of others. These are the largest examples, that all make the point. There is one thing in common with all of them, just like there is one thing in common with Hostess, AG Metal, GM, Chysler, and US Steel.......

All those companies, both domestic and foreign, even Chinese, that are all expanding their operations, are all non-union.
All those companies that have gone bankruptcy, reduced production, and have even closed and reopened as non-union, were all Union companies.

If the problem was merely the cost of labor alone.... then we wouldn't be having all those companies investing hundreds of billions of dollars into US manufacturing. We certainly wouldn't have foreign companies investing in the US.

 

[sealybobo]

You want proof? If you really believe that the rich are in it for themselves, why would the richest districts in America vote for Democrats instead of Republicans? Do you really believe that they are voting against their own self interests?

Be honest.

Mark

well since democrats want the people poor and complacent it makes sense

where as most republicans want people independent and prosperous and not a burden to humanity

All I can tell you is what Michigan was like when unions ruled. The Big 3 made record profits and so did their employees. The UAW created a middle class the world has never seen before. But you Republicans didn't like sharing profits with the workers so you sent all their jobs overseas but first you spent a decade badmouthing the unions.

The American people don't realize the only reason they make as much as they do today is because of unions.

Democrats want a huge fat big middle class. Republican policies create a small rich class, small middle/merchant class and the masses are poor. Basically what we have right now is the Republicans wet dream. MAGA my ass.

OH yeah detroit is in great shape now,,,thanks to the unions

Well you defended the corporations who sent all those high paying jobs overseas

And you defended illegal immigrants for doing jobs Americans won’t do

And cheap shit from China

Republicans are stupid. At least the lower middle class ones are

If you can't provide me a great product, and China can... whose fault is that?

Democrats are stupid. At least the lower to upper class ones are.

That's all of us. There's nothing else besides the lower to upper class.

You don't make any sense. I'm a liberal and you are just sounding stupid. Probably you're a libertarian or something. Some kind of spinoff of a bad idea.

 

[sealybobo]

Unions aren't communism they are the only advocate workers have besides Democrats.

Please. Both unions and democrats, live off they confiscate from workers. Advocate my butt. Why is it Republicans have to pass a law, that "allows" workers to work without being forced to fund groups they don't support, if their only advocates are unions and democrats?

Pff..... you people.


That said, if you were actually right.... then I even now, wouldn't have nearly as much of a problem with Unions. But I routinely see Unions advocating bad socialistic economic policies. If Unions would stop doing stuff like that, and focus more exclusively on doing what is best for their members, instead of doing what is best for the Unions leadership... then I would be more sympathetic.

I wasn't looking to get into an argument about if unions are corrupt greedy lazy and bloated. That's what Republicans like you told us when you were sending all their good paying jobs overseas. And you wonder why Americans are struggling and not doing as well as we did before they broke our unions. No coincidence as union membership declined, so did the middle class. Another way the rich have widened the gap between us and them.

But now you see how Republicans were able to get away with sending all those jobs overseas. They were all union jobs. So no shit the middle class isn't doing as well today as they were before all their jobs disappeared. No shit Detroit is hurting. You sent all our high paying jobs overseas. Not to Tennessee you passed TN and sent them to Mexico..

Of course unions survive off what they collect from workers. Any worker not paying dues should not be protected by the union but they are. That should stop.

But that is why jobs were going over seas. You create a problem, and the problem leads to a counter actions, and then we told you why it was happening.

What part of that is hard to understand?

The unions broke themselves. They priced themselves above the market, and the market broke them.

You are arguing against the fundamentals of economics, like a crazy person would argue against gravity.

Right-winger "When you step off the edge, you will fall and hurt yourself"

Left-winger "You guys are just telling us we're going to fall, instead of fixing this!"

Consumers are naturally going to migrate towards cheaper alternatives. That's how free markets work. When the Unions made themselves expensive relative to non-union alternatives, then this is what happens.

Don't blame us for the fact that Toyota and Honda did not declare bankruptcy and close a bunch of plants, and even opened new plants, while GM and Chrysler both did.

Don't blame us when Hostess closes down, lays everyone off, and then reopens as a completely profitable, but non-union shop.

Unions destroyed themselves. Not us.

There is no one to blame but the man in the mirror for what has happened to the Unions.

Bottom line is American workers made the most so with or without unions corporations were going to send jobs overseas IF YOU LET THEM and not only did you let them you defended them

Not true. There are a number of reasons companies outsource, and not all are just about cost of labor.

But if you doubt that, then explain this to me.....

Why is Airbus expanding it's aircraft manufacturing plant in Alabama?
Why is Fuyao Glass, a company from China, opening a plant in Ohio?
Why has Toyota, Honda and Hyundai, all opened new manufacturing plants, or expanding existing manufacturing plants, in the last 10 years?
Why is Nucor Steel Corporation expanding their manufacturing in the US?

I could list dozens of others. These are the largest examples, that all make the point. There is one thing in common with all of them, just like there is one thing in common with Hostess, AG Metal, GM, Chysler, and US Steel.......

All those companies, both domestic and foreign, even Chinese, that are all expanding their operations, are all non-union.
All those companies that have gone bankruptcy, reduced production, and have even closed and reopened as non-union, were all Union companies.

If the problem was merely the cost of labor alone.... then we wouldn't be having all those companies investing hundreds of billions of dollars into US manufacturing. We certainly wouldn't have foreign companies investing in the US.

Taxes. They're going where the taxes are low. They used to not want to move to Alabama. Good for Alabama. I never begrudge one state for winning business form another state. If they can lure the corporations good for them.

 

[progressive hunter]

well since democrats want the people poor and complacent it makes sense

where as most republicans want people independent and prosperous and not a burden to humanity

All I can tell you is what Michigan was like when unions ruled. The Big 3 made record profits and so did their employees. The UAW created a middle class the world has never seen before. But you Republicans didn't like sharing profits with the workers so you sent all their jobs overseas but first you spent a decade badmouthing the unions.

The American people don't realize the only reason they make as much as they do today is because of unions.

Democrats want a huge fat big middle class. Republican policies create a small rich class, small middle/merchant class and the masses are poor. Basically what we have right now is the Republicans wet dream. MAGA my ass.

OH yeah detroit is in great shape now,,,thanks to the unions

Well you defended the corporations who sent all those high paying jobs overseas

And you defended illegal immigrants for doing jobs Americans won’t do

And cheap shit from China

Republicans are stupid. At least the lower middle class ones are

If you can't provide me a great product, and China can... whose fault is that?

Democrats are stupid. At least the lower to upper class ones are.

That's all of us. There's nothing else besides the lower to upper class.

You don't make any sense. I'm a liberal and you are just sounding stupid. Probably you're a libertarian or something. Some kind of spinoff of a bad idea.

actually liberal and libertarian are supposed to be the same thing,,,you are probably a leftist with liberal tendencys

 

[francoHFW]

feel bett

Funny how the only actual spike in violence is against Jews blacks gays and Muslims, isn't it. The rest of the world hates your lies and Bs, not your ignorant brainwashed ass. Democrats on here argue the facts, while you hater dupes go ballistic against the actual people you're arguing with. Pretty typical example of how the ignorant get violent. I call you brainwashed functional morons, a political fact, the dupes call me fagot, s*******, you name it---stupid personal insults.

feel better now???

The brainwashed always totally miss the point.

say no to the kool-aid

95% of the people in the world know you are nuts, so misinformed and propagandized. Everything you know is garbage, I've given you a million examples and you have nothing but stupid talking points and idiotic insults super duper.

WHAT???

I was agreeing with you

Funny way of doing it... but sorry.

 

[progressive hunter]

feel bett
feel better now???

The brainwashed always totally miss the point.

say no to the kool-aid

95% of the people in the world know you are nuts, so misinformed and propagandized. Everything you know is garbage, I've given you a million examples and you have nothing but stupid talking points and idiotic insults super duper.

WHAT???

I was agreeing with you

Funny way of doing it... but sorry.

maybe your anger and hatred blind you

 

[francoHFW]

The brainwashed always totally miss the point.

say no to the kool-aid

95% of the people in the world know you are nuts, so misinformed and propagandized. Everything you know is garbage, I've given you a million examples and you have nothing but stupid talking points and idiotic insults super duper.

WHAT???

I was agreeing with you

Funny way of doing it... but sorry.

maybe your anger and hatred blind you

Maybe you
are fos and a troll LOL...

 

[progressive hunter]

say no to the kool-aid

95% of the people in the world know you are nuts, so misinformed and propagandized. Everything you know is garbage, I've given you a million examples and you have nothing but stupid talking points and idiotic insults super duper.

WHAT???

I was agreeing with you

Funny way of doing it... but sorry.

maybe your anger and hatred blind you

Maybe you
are fos and a troll LOL...

WHAT???

YOU SAID THEY ARE BRAINWASHED , AND i SAID YEAH,,,ON KOOL-AID

 

[francoHFW]

I am not American but I do find American politics to be quite interesting in a sort of soap opera sort of way but one thing I really don't get is in America, unlike my own country (Australia) there seems to be a genuine hatred between the left and right, as in both would love to completely destroy the other and pretty much hate everything that the other side stands for.

I know my country the left wing party (Labor) and the right wing party (Liberals) are not too far away from each other politically, and while there is a lot of animosity there is not really any hatred. In America though I get the impression that the Republicans would have welcomed a recession when Obama was in charge as that way he would have been blamed, and Democrats would welcome a market crash now because he would be blamed, it seemingly not mattering that your country would be falling down a toilet, as long as the other side gets the blame for it.

Admittedly I don't know the politics of every fully Democratic nation, that would be impossible, but as far as I know America is quite unique in just how much both sides hate each other.

My question is do both sides genuinely hate each other, would each side be happy to see America burn if they could blame the other side, and if this is the case?

I also must admit that the differences between the US states is quite amazing. I go from one state in my own country to another, and basically they are the same, more or less anyway, but in America I get the feeling that New York and California are so different to Texas and Alabama that they may as well be in different countries in terms of beliefs and general ideology on almost every issue. I find it amazing that these states are in the same country as it almost feels as convoluted as the Austro-Hungarian empire, with dozens of different ethnic groups within the one country, all wanting very different things and none of them feeling that united.

So my general question is how divided is America, is it so divided that one side of politics would love to see America enter a deep depression just so the other political party could be blamed for it, and if so is that a healthy situation to be in?

Not that I am advocating for it, but with the massive differences between the red and the blue states America from an outsiders point of view seems like it is in a very unhappy marriage where both parties are staying together for the sake of the children, but end up fighting a lot in front of the children and making them cry so I wonder, if what I am saying is remotely accurate why isn't there more talk about an amicable divorce, where the blue states go their own way and the red states go another, where both sides can go the direction they want to go and seemingly not being held back by the other side.

I mean, do the people of Alabama really care that much about the people of New York, or vice-versa? Also is politics and America in general as divided as I have made out, or is America more like siblings who hate each other and will kick the crap out of each other but deep down love each other as well, even though they would never admit it?

In a nation like the US, there are trends.
The two parties used to be quite similar.
But in recent years, the GOP has grown apart from US values.
It's a party that has a base that claims to be religious, is mostly white, with a leadership that cares more about corporations than people. Even many Republicans now claim that corporations are people and must be protected over "real" people. The GOP leadership lives to loot the country.
The GOP has grown into a nearly all white party home to remnants of the KKK, the American Nazi Party, the Alt White, white supremacists and the Aryan Nation. Occasionally, some deny it, but most are on board. And the one thing, education, that could get the GOP out of their tragic slump, they believe is bad for America. It's like a sick person believing medicine that could cure their illness is actually poison. Sadly, that's the actual case for many Republicans.
Many Republicans say the immigrants are carriers of disease. But since Republicans feel vaccines cause autism, when they don't even know what autism is, because their children are unvaccinated, it's the children of immigrants who need to worry about catching something from Republicans.
It won't last forever.
In the 30's, when there was the great dust bowl, conservatives destroyed the land. When government scientists came in and showed them how to reclaim abused land, at first, they fought it, but after a while, when farmers could see those methods worked, they were adopted. And ones that didn't were forced into it by their neighbors. And today, those methods are used without question all over the midwest.
It will be painful, but it will happen to right wingers once again. They will be tired of having nothing, of being uneducated, of being looked down on. They will eventually seek education and become competitive. They just haven't figured that out yet.

sorry but both partys have gotten away from human values


and to say the democrats ever had them is just a lie,,,they are after all the party of slavery,KKK and jim crow

Okay you are full of s***. Democrats are no longer the party of those racist groups. Since Nixon's southern strategy oh, they've all gone over to the GOP d u h. Up until the Civil Rights act that was pushed by democrats, Democrats own the southern conservatives who hated the Republican party because of Abraham Lincoln.

 

[francoHFW]

I am not American but I do find American politics to be quite interesting in a sort of soap opera sort of way but one thing I really don't get is in America, unlike my own country (Australia) there seems to be a genuine hatred between the left and right, as in both would love to completely destroy the other and pretty much hate everything that the other side stands for.

I know my country the left wing party (Labor) and the right wing party (Liberals) are not too far away from each other politically, and while there is a lot of animosity there is not really any hatred. In America though I get the impression that the Republicans would have welcomed a recession when Obama was in charge as that way he would have been blamed, and Democrats would welcome a market crash now because he would be blamed, it seemingly not mattering that your country would be falling down a toilet, as long as the other side gets the blame for it.

Admittedly I don't know the politics of every fully Democratic nation, that would be impossible, but as far as I know America is quite unique in just how much both sides hate each other.

My question is do both sides genuinely hate each other, would each side be happy to see America burn if they could blame the other side, and if this is the case?

I also must admit that the differences between the US states is quite amazing. I go from one state in my own country to another, and basically they are the same, more or less anyway, but in America I get the feeling that New York and California are so different to Texas and Alabama that they may as well be in different countries in terms of beliefs and general ideology on almost every issue. I find it amazing that these states are in the same country as it almost feels as convoluted as the Austro-Hungarian empire, with dozens of different ethnic groups within the one country, all wanting very different things and none of them feeling that united.

So my general question is how divided is America, is it so divided that one side of politics would love to see America enter a deep depression just so the other political party could be blamed for it, and if so is that a healthy situation to be in?

Not that I am advocating for it, but with the massive differences between the red and the blue states America from an outsiders point of view seems like it is in a very unhappy marriage where both parties are staying together for the sake of the children, but end up fighting a lot in front of the children and making them cry so I wonder, if what I am saying is remotely accurate why isn't there more talk about an amicable divorce, where the blue states go their own way and the red states go another, where both sides can go the direction they want to go and seemingly not being held back by the other side.

I mean, do the people of Alabama really care that much about the people of New York, or vice-versa? Also is politics and America in general as divided as I have made out, or is America more like siblings who hate each other and will kick the crap out of each other but deep down love each other as well, even though they would never admit it?

In a nation like the US, there are trends.
The two parties used to be quite similar.
But in recent years, the GOP has grown apart from US values.
It's a party that has a base that claims to be religious, is mostly white, with a leadership that cares more about corporations than people. Even many Republicans now claim that corporations are people and must be protected over "real" people. The GOP leadership lives to loot the country.
The GOP has grown into a nearly all white party home to remnants of the KKK, the American Nazi Party, the Alt White, white supremacists and the Aryan Nation. Occasionally, some deny it, but most are on board. And the one thing, education, that could get the GOP out of their tragic slump, they believe is bad for America. It's like a sick person believing medicine that could cure their illness is actually poison. Sadly, that's the actual case for many Republicans.
Many Republicans say the immigrants are carriers of disease. But since Republicans feel vaccines cause autism, when they don't even know what autism is, because their children are unvaccinated, it's the children of immigrants who need to worry about catching something from Republicans.
It won't last forever.
In the 30's, when there was the great dust bowl, conservatives destroyed the land. When government scientists came in and showed them how to reclaim abused land, at first, they fought it, but after a while, when farmers could see those methods worked, they were adopted. And ones that didn't were forced into it by their neighbors. And today, those methods are used without question all over the midwest.
It will be painful, but it will happen to right wingers once again. They will be tired of having nothing, of being uneducated, of being looked down on. They will eventually seek education and become competitive. They just haven't figured that out yet.

sorry but both partys have gotten away from human values


and to say the democrats ever had them is just a lie,,,they are after all the party of slavery,KKK and jim crow

"and to say the democrats ever had them is just a lie,,,they are after all the party of slavery,KKK and jim crow"

This is true!

Back when the DEMOCRATS were CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS.

Both parties used to include the entire political Spectrum, amazingly. Since Reagan, basically all the conservatives are Republican and all the liberals are Democrat. and more and more all the Republicans are full of crap and phony scandals character assassination and hate from there disgraceful propaganda machine. That's where all the hate comes from, and why are they only speak in propaganda

 

[francoHFW]

I am not American but I do find American politics to be quite interesting in a sort of soap opera sort of way but one thing I really don't get is in America, unlike my own country (Australia) there seems to be a genuine hatred between the left and right, as in both would love to completely destroy the other and pretty much hate everything that the other side stands for.

I know my country the left wing party (Labor) and the right wing party (Liberals) are not too far away from each other politically, and while there is a lot of animosity there is not really any hatred. In America though I get the impression that the Republicans would have welcomed a recession when Obama was in charge as that way he would have been blamed, and Democrats would welcome a market crash now because he would be blamed, it seemingly not mattering that your country would be falling down a toilet, as long as the other side gets the blame for it.

Admittedly I don't know the politics of every fully Democratic nation, that would be impossible, but as far as I know America is quite unique in just how much both sides hate each other.

My question is do both sides genuinely hate each other, would each side be happy to see America burn if they could blame the other side, and if this is the case?

I also must admit that the differences between the US states is quite amazing. I go from one state in my own country to another, and basically they are the same, more or less anyway, but in America I get the feeling that New York and California are so different to Texas and Alabama that they may as well be in different countries in terms of beliefs and general ideology on almost every issue. I find it amazing that these states are in the same country as it almost feels as convoluted as the Austro-Hungarian empire, with dozens of different ethnic groups within the one country, all wanting very different things and none of them feeling that united.

So my general question is how divided is America, is it so divided that one side of politics would love to see America enter a deep depression just so the other political party could be blamed for it, and if so is that a healthy situation to be in?

Not that I am advocating for it, but with the massive differences between the red and the blue states America from an outsiders point of view seems like it is in a very unhappy marriage where both parties are staying together for the sake of the children, but end up fighting a lot in front of the children and making them cry so I wonder, if what I am saying is remotely accurate why isn't there more talk about an amicable divorce, where the blue states go their own way and the red states go another, where both sides can go the direction they want to go and seemingly not being held back by the other side.

I mean, do the people of Alabama really care that much about the people of New York, or vice-versa? Also is politics and America in general as divided as I have made out, or is America more like siblings who hate each other and will kick the crap out of each other but deep down love each other as well, even though they would never admit it?

In a nation like the US, there are trends.
The two parties used to be quite similar.
But in recent years, the GOP has grown apart from US values.
It's a party that has a base that claims to be religious, is mostly white, with a leadership that cares more about corporations than people. Even many Republicans now claim that corporations are people and must be protected over "real" people. The GOP leadership lives to loot the country.
The GOP has grown into a nearly all white party home to remnants of the KKK, the American Nazi Party, the Alt White, white supremacists and the Aryan Nation. Occasionally, some deny it, but most are on board. And the one thing, education, that could get the GOP out of their tragic slump, they believe is bad for America. It's like a sick person believing medicine that could cure their illness is actually poison. Sadly, that's the actual case for many Republicans.
Many Republicans say the immigrants are carriers of disease. But since Republicans feel vaccines cause autism, when they don't even know what autism is, because their children are unvaccinated, it's the children of immigrants who need to worry about catching something from Republicans.
It won't last forever.
In the 30's, when there was the great dust bowl, conservatives destroyed the land. When government scientists came in and showed them how to reclaim abused land, at first, they fought it, but after a while, when farmers could see those methods worked, they were adopted. And ones that didn't were forced into it by their neighbors. And today, those methods are used without question all over the midwest.
It will be painful, but it will happen to right wingers once again. They will be tired of having nothing, of being uneducated, of being looked down on. They will eventually seek education and become competitive. They just haven't figured that out yet.

sorry but both partys have gotten away from human values


and to say the democrats ever had them is just a lie,,,they are after all the party of slavery,KKK and jim crow

"and to say the democrats ever had them is just a lie,,,they are after all the party of slavery,KKK and jim crow"

This is true!

Back when the DEMOCRATS were CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS.

Both parties used to include the entire political Spectrum, amazingly. Since Reagan, basically all the conservatives are Republican and all the liberals are Democrat. and more and more all the Republicans are full of crap and phony scandals character assassination and hate from there disgraceful propaganda machine. That's where all the hate comes from, and why are they only speak in propaganda

Thanks

 

[sealybobo]

All I can tell you is what Michigan was like when unions ruled. The Big 3 made record profits and so did their employees. The UAW created a middle class the world has never seen before. But you Republicans didn't like sharing profits with the workers so you sent all their jobs overseas but first you spent a decade badmouthing the unions.

The American people don't realize the only reason they make as much as they do today is because of unions.

Democrats want a huge fat big middle class. Republican policies create a small rich class, small middle/merchant class and the masses are poor. Basically what we have right now is the Republicans wet dream. MAGA my ass.

OH yeah detroit is in great shape now,,,thanks to the unions

Well you defended the corporations who sent all those high paying jobs overseas

And you defended illegal immigrants for doing jobs Americans won’t do

And cheap shit from China

Republicans are stupid. At least the lower middle class ones are

If you can't provide me a great product, and China can... whose fault is that?

Democrats are stupid. At least the lower to upper class ones are.

That's all of us. There's nothing else besides the lower to upper class.

You don't make any sense. I'm a liberal and you are just sounding stupid. Probably you're a libertarian or something. Some kind of spinoff of a bad idea.

actually liberal and libertarian are supposed to be the same thing,,,you are probably a leftist with liberal tendencys

I don't know. Actually my friends occasionally say, "you're not a liberal" because they catch me making Republican arguments.

But I find myself agreeing with the Democatic position 95% of the time. And even when I agree with the Republicans I don't like it because I suspect alterior motives always.

What's the diff between a lefty and liberal? What would they disagree on?

 

[progressive hunter]

OH yeah detroit is in great shape now,,,thanks to the unions

Well you defended the corporations who sent all those high paying jobs overseas

And you defended illegal immigrants for doing jobs Americans won’t do

And cheap shit from China

Republicans are stupid. At least the lower middle class ones are

If you can't provide me a great product, and China can... whose fault is that?

Democrats are stupid. At least the lower to upper class ones are.

That's all of us. There's nothing else besides the lower to upper class.

You don't make any sense. I'm a liberal and you are just sounding stupid. Probably you're a libertarian or something. Some kind of spinoff of a bad idea.

actually liberal and libertarian are supposed to be the same thing,,,you are probably a leftist with liberal tendencys

I don't know. Actually my friends occasionally say, "you're not a liberal" because they catch me making Republican arguments.

But I find myself agreeing with the Democatic position 95% of the time. And even when I agree with the Republicans I don't like it because I suspect alterior motives always.

What's the diff between a lefty and liberal? What would they disagree on?

a liberal believes in total freedom while a leftist thinks he can take your money and give it to someone else and freedom of speech is subjective

ben shapiro states it best

 

[progressive hunter]

I am not American but I do find American politics to be quite interesting in a sort of soap opera sort of way but one thing I really don't get is in America, unlike my own country (Australia) there seems to be a genuine hatred between the left and right, as in both would love to completely destroy the other and pretty much hate everything that the other side stands for.

I know my country the left wing party (Labor) and the right wing party (Liberals) are not too far away from each other politically, and while there is a lot of animosity there is not really any hatred. In America though I get the impression that the Republicans would have welcomed a recession when Obama was in charge as that way he would have been blamed, and Democrats would welcome a market crash now because he would be blamed, it seemingly not mattering that your country would be falling down a toilet, as long as the other side gets the blame for it.

Admittedly I don't know the politics of every fully Democratic nation, that would be impossible, but as far as I know America is quite unique in just how much both sides hate each other.

My question is do both sides genuinely hate each other, would each side be happy to see America burn if they could blame the other side, and if this is the case?

I also must admit that the differences between the US states is quite amazing. I go from one state in my own country to another, and basically they are the same, more or less anyway, but in America I get the feeling that New York and California are so different to Texas and Alabama that they may as well be in different countries in terms of beliefs and general ideology on almost every issue. I find it amazing that these states are in the same country as it almost feels as convoluted as the Austro-Hungarian empire, with dozens of different ethnic groups within the one country, all wanting very different things and none of them feeling that united.

So my general question is how divided is America, is it so divided that one side of politics would love to see America enter a deep depression just so the other political party could be blamed for it, and if so is that a healthy situation to be in?

Not that I am advocating for it, but with the massive differences between the red and the blue states America from an outsiders point of view seems like it is in a very unhappy marriage where both parties are staying together for the sake of the children, but end up fighting a lot in front of the children and making them cry so I wonder, if what I am saying is remotely accurate why isn't there more talk about an amicable divorce, where the blue states go their own way and the red states go another, where both sides can go the direction they want to go and seemingly not being held back by the other side.

I mean, do the people of Alabama really care that much about the people of New York, or vice-versa? Also is politics and America in general as divided as I have made out, or is America more like siblings who hate each other and will kick the crap out of each other but deep down love each other as well, even though they would never admit it?

In a nation like the US, there are trends.
The two parties used to be quite similar.
But in recent years, the GOP has grown apart from US values.
It's a party that has a base that claims to be religious, is mostly white, with a leadership that cares more about corporations than people. Even many Republicans now claim that corporations are people and must be protected over "real" people. The GOP leadership lives to loot the country.
The GOP has grown into a nearly all white party home to remnants of the KKK, the American Nazi Party, the Alt White, white supremacists and the Aryan Nation. Occasionally, some deny it, but most are on board. And the one thing, education, that could get the GOP out of their tragic slump, they believe is bad for America. It's like a sick person believing medicine that could cure their illness is actually poison. Sadly, that's the actual case for many Republicans.
Many Republicans say the immigrants are carriers of disease. But since Republicans feel vaccines cause autism, when they don't even know what autism is, because their children are unvaccinated, it's the children of immigrants who need to worry about catching something from Republicans.
It won't last forever.
In the 30's, when there was the great dust bowl, conservatives destroyed the land. When government scientists came in and showed them how to reclaim abused land, at first, they fought it, but after a while, when farmers could see those methods worked, they were adopted. And ones that didn't were forced into it by their neighbors. And today, those methods are used without question all over the midwest.
It will be painful, but it will happen to right wingers once again. They will be tired of having nothing, of being uneducated, of being looked down on. They will eventually seek education and become competitive. They just haven't figured that out yet.

sorry but both partys have gotten away from human values


and to say the democrats ever had them is just a lie,,,they are after all the party of slavery,KKK and jim crow

Okay you are full of s***. Democrats are no longer the party of those racist groups. Since Nixon's southern strategy oh, they've all gone over to the GOP d u h. Up until the Civil Rights act that was pushed by democrats, Democrats own the southern conservatives who hated the Republican party because of Abraham Lincoln.

yes they are,,,just that blacks are now slaves to the democrat plantation in the way they vote,,,and their dependency on welfare