My rant..... Lying in politics

[Billiejeens]

Publicly oppose them on their social media accounts. Tell others why. Don't donate. Don't vote for.

What will happen after that?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Honesty is inversely related to partisanship.

 

[Billiejeens]

You didn't watch the video, did you?

Did the video illustrate how someone who 90% of the voters disagree with on policy can win in a Democracy?

Someone like that could only take power by force.

Catch on?

They pick out the best liars and make us think we have a choice.

If you've ever tried to be delegate at your state convention, for an honest candidate, you'll see where the real rigging takes place. It's not at ballot box. It's at every local party headquarters. Once the orders are sent down from the national headquarters, as to who the party is going to support (before the primary elections), the local chairman and all those in leadership positions, start pushing for that candidate. They squelch any descent from anyone not fully supporting the chosen one. (in a somewhat sneaky way)

Things get really weird.

It's the parties responsibility to nominate someone electable to the majority.

Not who the fringe wants to nominate.

 

[leftwinger]

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I don't think Stain can ignore my post relinked above about Epstien guard. New info is out. I'll re-do a whole thread if they keep ignoring it.

 

[Dragonlady]

If you MiddleStain could not lie? You couldn't post//

The only people who constantly accuse others of lying are themselves liars. Trump thinks because he lies all of the time, everyone else does too, and that not true at all.

Question everything you're told, otherwise, you're just a gullible fool. The old expression "Trust, but verify" is so important in this age of lying for profit.

 

[YoursTruly]

What will happen after that?

Then you won't look so much like a RINO bootlicker here.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

"What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all. What can we do then? What else is left but to abandon even the hope of truth and content ourselves instead with stories? In these stories, it doesn't matter who the heroes are. All we want to know is: 'Who is to blame?'"

Applying this idea to politics reveals a similar—and deeply damaging—dynamic.

In the political arena, the true cost of widespread lying is that it normalizes dishonesty to the point where we come to expect it from leaders. We stop being shocked by falsehoods; instead, we accept them as standard behavior. Supporters defend their preferred politicians with lies or excuses, often simply because of loyalty to the "team." Opponents may exaggerate or invent claims to paint the other side in a worse light, even when the facts alone would suffice.
Over time, this erodes public discourse and leads to several harmful outcomes:

• Honest, truth-seeking individuals—who carefully weigh evidence before deciding—often grow disillusioned. They withdraw from politics entirely: they stop voting, stop engaging in discussions, and disengage like someone leaving a toxic relationship. Yet these are precisely the people a healthy democracy needs most—those who prioritize facts and integrity over blind allegiance.
• On the other side, many participants (across party lines) double down on misinformation. They amplify exaggerated praise for their own side or vicious attacks on the opposition. What begins as debate devolves into a kind of performative combat—mockery, ridicule, and tribal scoring—rather than a search for what is true or best for the country.

Eventually, this creates two entrenched camps that no longer value honesty or accountability. Each side refuses to criticize its own leaders' lies or poor decisions, fearing it would hand ammunition to the "enemy" or invite "I told you so" taunts. Loyalty becomes the highest virtue—higher than truth, integrity, or responsibility. When a politician from "their" side does something identical to what they condemned on the other side, excuses and new falsehoods quickly emerge to justify it. Anyone within the group who calls for accountability is often branded a traitor.

The result is extreme polarization: roughly half the country becomes so divided and entrenched that good ideas from one side are reflexively opposed, simply because of who proposed them. Bad decisions from one's own side are defended, no matter how clearly wrong they are.

In the end, this system rewards politicians who excel at deception rather than governance. They campaign on bold promises tailored to excite their base—promising great benefits for supporters and harm to opponents—but once elected, much of that rhetoric is set aside. They may occasionally throw symbolic gestures or "red meat" statements to keep supporters energized, but in practice, their actions often resemble what the opposing side might have done. The main difference lies in how they frame and sell it through partisan language.

Ultimately, a politics built on normalized lies leaves us with leaders skilled at manipulation rather than solutions, and a citizenry more focused on winning tribal battles than pursuing shared truth or progress. The long-term price is a weakened Republic where trust, accountability, and genuine problem-solving become increasingly rare.


Here is a chapter in a book that goes deeper into this subject. (pdf)

And an article from U of C Boulder

YOU.

Are indisputably LEFTIST.

And unarguably gay.

Discuss.

 

[YoursTruly]

Did the video illustrate how someone who 90% of the voters disagree with on policy can win in a Democracy?

I knew you didn't watch it.

Someone like that could only take power by force.

Catch on?

Not if you're a good deal maker. Obama, as lame as he did, got a good deal working with Iran. They weren't making a nuke.
So said Trump's on DNI, less than a year ago.


You realize Israel has been claiming Iran is within months from having a nuke, since the early 2000's, right?

It's the parties responsibility to nominate someone electable to the majority.

Not who the fringe wants to nominate.

Oh yeah. And the party leaders through the media, will convince enough people that their preferred candidate is the only one electable. They'll flood the new cycle and social media with those talking points.

What's the old saying about repeating the same lie enough times?

 

[YoursTruly]

Congress is the issue, not DJT. If up to DJT, DOGE cuts and more would be permanent. It's not a dictatorship. Congress ignored what they did report. You see the fraud in Blue States (off the charts). Maybe in all States?

You keep harping on Epstien? He's dead. No proof on anyone but him yet you daily attack?

Sorry, but a picture of Bill Clinton in a hot tub ain't going to cut it. Is that a crime? Phony stories by some girl 20 years ago proven false then is not proof. Show the proof you have. Epstien got jailed for his actions with the $300 girls.

Allegedly dead? But new wrinkle today.


Epstein Prison Guard Made a Mysterious Deposit Before P*dophile’s Supposed Suicide – Also Googled Epstein Just Minutes Before His Body was Discovered.
View attachment 1228330

Guess who again. SMH. What is a DEI hire doing in a men's prison? Making big cash deposits?

A total of 12 deposits began in April 2018, the bank said, and culminated in the largest deposit, for $5,000, on July 30, 2019, the records showed.

The files only contain Noel’s bank records beginning in December 2018. They show seven cash deposits totaling $11,880. Noel started working at the Special Housing Unit — where Epstein had been held — beginning on July 7, 2019, just weeks before his death.

Noel, who drove a $62,000 2019 Land Rover Range Rover, wasn’t asked about the cash during her DOJ interview, records showed.

REVEALED: Epstein Prison Guard Made a Mysterious Deposit Before P*dophile's Supposed Suicide - Also Googled Epstein Just Minutes Before His Body was Discovered | The Gateway Pundit | by Cullen Linebarger

Newly released Department of Justice documents will raise even more suspicions surrounding the alleged suicide of Jeffrey Epstein back in 2019.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Read it and weep. Trump is not the problem. The problem is runaway $7T deep state GOVT robbing you blind.

Subject changes

Hero of the "Stain": "You Fat F*ck Trump!" - James Carville Has His Craziest TDS Melt Down Yet (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila



“This is what we believe! You’re right! I got Trump Derangement Syndrome! I hate the motherf*cker! And you know what? I don’t want to get rid of it! I don’t want to get better! I want to get worse!”

After subject changes

Why doesn't Congress or State GOVT fix something like the runaway DEI prison guard above? Why does Trump have to do it all?

Strongly suggest you go read what that DEI guard was up to on the very night Epstein "died". And the orange flash ?

note: no punishment for shopping online all night, ignoring duties?

I'm right, (we are right). All Stain variants are wrong every time on almost every issue raised. Yet? They keep at it?

After subject changes.

None of this dodging is going to stop Trump from lying. Or any other politician. It only exposes your loyalty. Your desire to win this debate, in support of your favorite politician.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

 

[YoursTruly]

YOU.

Are indisputably LEFTIST.

And unarguably gay.

Discuss.

The OP discusses people like you. And this sort of reply.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

The OP discusses people like you. And this sort of reply.

You ARE the OP you ******* mentally disabled fucktard.

How embarrassing haha

 

[YoursTruly]

You ARE the OP you ******* mentally disabled fucktard.

How embarrassing haha

Opening post. Not poster.

"and a citizenry more focused on winning tribal battles than pursuing shared truth or progress."

 

[my2¢]

In the political arena, the true cost of widespread lying is that it normalizes dishonesty to the point where we come to expect it from leaders.

I don't normalize dishonesty. Once it becomes a common practice with a politician, it is easy enough to quit listening to them.

 

[YoursTruly]

You're a desperate little c*nt, huh?

Loyalist get angry and lash out when their loyalty is exposed. Emotions run high.

Mockery masquerading as strength.

 

[Dragonlady]

Congress is the issue, not DJT. If up to DJT, DOGE cuts and more would be permanent. It's not a dictatorship. Congress ignored what they did report. You see the fraud in Blue States (off the charts). Maybe in all States?

You keep harping on Epstien? He's dead. No proof on anyone but him yet you daily attack?

Sorry, but a picture of Bill Clinton in a hot tub ain't going to cut it. Is that a crime? Phony stories by some girl 20 years ago proven false then is not proof. Show the proof you have. Epstien got jailed for his actions with the $300 girls.

Allegedly dead? But new wrinkle today.


Epstein Prison Guard Made a Mysterious Deposit Before P*dophile’s Supposed Suicide – Also Googled Epstein Just Minutes Before His Body was Discovered.
View attachment 1228330

Guess who again. SMH. What is a DEI hire doing in a men's prison? Making big cash deposits?

A total of 12 deposits began in April 2018, the bank said, and culminated in the largest deposit, for $5,000, on July 30, 2019, the records showed.

The files only contain Noel’s bank records beginning in December 2018. They show seven cash deposits totaling $11,880. Noel started working at the Special Housing Unit — where Epstein had been held — beginning on July 7, 2019, just weeks before his death.

Noel, who drove a $62,000 2019 Land Rover Range Rover, wasn’t asked about the cash during her DOJ interview, records showed.

REVEALED: Epstein Prison Guard Made a Mysterious Deposit Before P*dophile's Supposed Suicide - Also Googled Epstein Just Minutes Before His Body was Discovered | The Gateway Pundit | by Cullen Linebarger

Newly released Department of Justice documents will raise even more suspicions surrounding the alleged suicide of Jeffrey Epstein back in 2019.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Read it and weep. Trump is not the problem. The problem is runaway $7T deep state GOVT robbing you blind.

Why are you believing the Gateway Pundit????? On ANYTHING?????

• Overall, we rate The Gateway Pundit Questionable based on extreme right-wing bias, promotion of conspiracies, and numerous instances of publishing false (fake) news.

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mediabiasfactcheck.com

There is really is no hope for you. You continue to post the lies they tell you.

 

[22lcidw]

Interesting topic. But lying - exaggerating etc will never stop as it often fits a world or social view. And today there is a media world that is so large, where would you start. Watch msnbc and then fox on the same topic. Fox fascinates me as it foreign owned, so why is it so popular among some Americans. I'm sure you know why but is it news? And politics complicates the issue as here the goal is in the background - legislation etc etc.

What I Didn’t Understand About Political Lying

When I founded PolitiFact, I thought fact-checking would make politicians more truthful. We need to think bigger.

www.theatlantic.com

There should be a multitude of programming networks that are conservative. or what passes for conservatism today. And that is not allowed. There is a market for it. So, people are brainwashed with Progressive Socialist Communist extreme feminist dogma every day on near everything on TV. For some reason you think it is equal. It is a thousand to one in your favor. The streaming services are a mecca of low budget movies as an example that are near all woke.

 

[YoursTruly]

There should be a multitude of programming networks that are conservative. or what passes for conservatism today. And that is not allowed. There is a market for it. So, people are brainwashed with Progressive Socialist Communist extreme feminist dogma every day on near everything on TV. For some reason you think it is equal. It is a thousand to one in your favor. The streaming services are a mecca of low budget movies as an example that are near all woke.

You ain't kidding about that. There would be a huge market. But we get things like Newsmax that's so bias, it's like a polar opposite of MSNBC. I can't stand either one, because of the bias, misleading stuff they call "news."

Maybe that's why podcasts have gotten so popular. But since most of them are like the MSM, repeating the same lies over and over, I've never taken the time to search out one that's not like that.

 

[YoursTruly]

You've gone from being overly emotional to trying to make out like you're ignoring the subject. Mockery masquerading as strength.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

You've gone from being overly emotional to trying to make out like you're ignoring the subject. Mockery masquerading as strength.