Question For John Atheist: Don't You Want To Remember Your Good Deeds Forever?

[Grumblenuts]

I have no doubts where I will go when I die.

Yeah, me neither.

I'm far more concerned about how I'll die.

Granted, polls show that the religious are happier in general. However, from my experience witnessing others pass away, there appears a sad irony in that atheists tend to die more peacefully.

I've seen the devout begin proselytizing, very loudly, to anyone and everyone like never before when morphine becomes required to ameliorate pain. To the point of screaming, imploringly out the door into an empty hospital hallway. Not fun. Damned sad really. When one's natural will to live is forced to confront their total helplessness, their complete dependency upon others and dangerous drugs just to survive,.. that's where one's self-doubt becomes evident as opposed to armchair casual expressions of belief rooted in common fear of the unknown and ancient superstition.

So enjoy the fantasy while it lasts. Thinking you somehow have what's "Good" all neatly locked up and tied with bow. That your legacy may somehow hinge upon the supernatural beliefs you've expressed (publicly?) far more than your local deeds and interactions may have impacted others directly. Good people were clearly good and memorable regardless.

And no, remembering is not an option once dead and I'm obviously perfectly fine with that.

I always believed walking with God was about living, not dying. What do you have for that?

Mind you, I'm not agreeing with your belief that atheists die more peacefully. That would seem to go against logic.

As always, whatever floats your dinghy, dingy. My opinions based on personal experience admittedly amount to squat in the grand scheme of things. But if you have some logical counterargument to share then do it. How does my stated belief that atheists die more peacefully defy logic?

 

[ding]

I have no doubts where I will go when I die.

Yeah, me neither.

I'm far more concerned about how I'll die.

Granted, polls show that the religious are happier in general. However, from my experience witnessing others pass away, there appears a sad irony in that atheists tend to die more peacefully.

I've seen the devout begin proselytizing, very loudly, to anyone and everyone like never before when morphine becomes required to ameliorate pain. To the point of screaming, imploringly out the door into an empty hospital hallway. Not fun. Damned sad really. When one's natural will to live is forced to confront their total helplessness, their complete dependency upon others and dangerous drugs just to survive,.. that's where one's self-doubt becomes evident as opposed to armchair casual expressions of belief rooted in common fear of the unknown and ancient superstition.

So enjoy the fantasy while it lasts. Thinking you somehow have what's "Good" all neatly locked up and tied with bow. That your legacy may somehow hinge upon the supernatural beliefs you've expressed (publicly?) far more than your local deeds and interactions may have impacted others directly. Good people were clearly good and memorable regardless.

And no, remembering is not an option once dead and I'm obviously perfectly fine with that.

I always believed walking with God was about living, not dying. What do you have for that?

Mind you, I'm not agreeing with your belief that atheists die more peacefully. That would seem to go against logic.

As always, whatever floats your dinghy, dingy. My opinions based on personal experience admittedly amount to squat in the grand scheme of things. But if you have some logical counterargument to share then do it. How does my stated belief that atheists die more peacefully defy logic?

I did share my logical counter argument. I showed how it was a logical fallacy because faith is about living, not dying.

Your stated belief that atheists die more peacefully defies logic because if you believe this is all you have, then you would do almost anything to not lose it because it's all you have. Whereas the religious believe that there is something more; something better. But the proof is always in the pudding. Beliefs are one thing, reality is another.

 

[Grumblenuts]

faith is about living, not dying.
{...}
Whereas the religious believe that there is something more

Logic is clearly not a tool to be found in your shed.

 

[BreezeWood]

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I always believed walking with God was about living, not dying. What do you have for that?

Good people were clearly good and memorable regardless.

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(regardless)

what is walking with god - particularly a corrupt one (any desert religion version) - - when being "good" as the original religion is simply enough - and when pure gains admission to the Everlasting.

or bing believes a good person would be sent to hell anyway not being a christian, believer of forgeries and fallacies. .

 

[ding]

faith is about living, not dying.
{...}
Whereas the religious believe that there is something more

Logic is clearly not a tool to be found in your shed.

If you could have shown the flaw in my logic you would have, but since you couldn't, that was the best you could do.

 

[ding]

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I always believed walking with God was about living, not dying. What do you have for that?

Good people were clearly good and memorable regardless.

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(regardless)

what is walking with god - particularly a corrupt one (any desert religion version) - - when being "good" as the original religion is simply enough - and when pure gains admission to the Everlasting.

or bing believes a good person would be sent to hell anyway not being a christian, believer of forgeries and fallacies. .

I wouldn't have expected you to know.

 

[Grumblenuts]

faith is about living, not dying.
{...}
Whereas the religious believe that there is something more

Logic is clearly not a tool to be found in your shed.

If you could have shown the flaw in my logic you would have, but since you couldn't, that was the best you could do.

It likely going straight over your head was a given.

 

[Grumblenuts]

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I always believed walking with God was about living, not dying. What do you have for that?

Good people were clearly good and memorable regardless.

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(regardless)

what is walking with god - particularly a corrupt one (any desert religion version) - - when being "good" as the original religion is simply enough - and when pure gains admission to the Everlasting.

or bing believes a good person would be sent to hell anyway not being a christian, believer of forgeries and fallacies. .

I don't subscribe to your "the Everlasting" notion either, but yeah, beats ding's ramblings fur shur.

 

[BreezeWood]

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I always believed walking with God was about living, not dying. What do you have for that?

Good people were clearly good and memorable regardless.

.
(regardless)

what is walking with god - particularly a corrupt one (any desert religion version) - - when being "good" as the original religion is simply enough - and when pure gains admission to the Everlasting.

or bing believes a good person would be sent to hell anyway not being a christian, believer of forgeries and fallacies. .

I don't subscribe to your "the Everlasting" notion either, but yeah, beats ding's ramblings fur shur.

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I don't subscribe to your "the Everlasting" notion either, but yeah, beats ding's ramblings fur shur.

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nuts, even you had to have come from somewhere -

it's kind of meant as the wager as well where, were a person to triumph over evil they would be granted admission whether knowing or not the end result -

you can always say - just let my spirit die.

 

[ding]

faith is about living, not dying.
{...}
Whereas the religious believe that there is something more

Logic is clearly not a tool to be found in your shed.

If you could have shown the flaw in my logic you would have, but since you couldn't, that was the best you could do.

It likely going straight over your head was a given.

It wasn't likely because there was no flaw pointed out, Einstein.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

“And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

And yet it took 1700 years for the christians to actually do something about slavery. Looks like "the truth" came in the form of superior, secular ideas.

 

[LittleNipper]

I have yet to meet a happy atheist.

I won't go that far. Although it certainly applies to the ones I converse with here on a regular basis.

But what I will say is that the best they can ever hope for when life requires them to make sacrifices is that they will suffer without complaint. Whereas people who walk in faith see the bigger picture and have peace through the storm.

Never met a happy atheist or never met an atheist happy with you? Dummy.

I never met an atheist who can tolerate anyone who's not an atheist.

And of course you have met every atheist in history to form this opinion, right? Not tolerating you is just common sense, not a fact of atheism.

I'm a "friend" of an atheist at work. And he is a "good guy" so long as religion isn't mentioned. Talk politics, speak about history, sports, etc.... But mention religion and he begins to shift uncomfortably and he starts to growl and hiss (poetic license). In school, I could speak about any subject, except religion. Those who were not church attenders would get defensive, saying, "You're full of crap." And simply walk away or want to pick a fight. There was no in between. They love to hate Christianity or want it hidden. They are not tolerant of it. They do not wish to contemplate the spiritual. They love parties, materialism, games, and fun. Unless an atheist has a serious issue/problem (illness, sorrow, pain, remorse) they are belligerent and not open to a discussion that they feel they are losing.

Hate to disappoint you but most atheists just do not care about religion or are trying to put some actual truth into your thinking. It appears from your statements that it is you going on the offensive and denying any possibility that there is a truth that you choose not to believe and are willing to try to pick a fight to defend your self proclaimed position.

Exceptionally dishonest of you.

Nope, I love open discussion and that is just one reason I have a problem in governmentally controlled education. A person who doesn't care, wont get angry. Anyone who feels threatened will be offended. I've never been punched or threatened by anyone who didn't care.

With your stated attitudes, I doubt your statement about being punched. Being angered and not caring are two different things. Of course you only care about your own attitudes which cause offense to others. Still not anger, just a desire to correct your false ideas, of which you have many.

BTW, you don't love open discussion. You love it when some fool agrees with you and causing you to have a problem with that person.

I'm sure I have some false ideas as do you.

Your biggest false idea is that you know and understand what you claim to be your faith. It is not as stated in your bible or any teachings of whatever church you claim to follow.

Since you claim it to be so available, you should get some help in defining what is actually said. It is wrong but that is for you to find out.

I never claimed to be 100% correct, that is for you religious types. Much to your shame.

Acts 16:25-34
The Conversion of the Jailer

25About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the other prisoners were listening to them. 26Suddenly a strong earthquake shook the foundations of the prison. At once all the doors flew open and everyone’s chains came loose.

27When the jailer woke up and saw the prison doors open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, presuming that the prisoners had escaped. 28But Paul called out in a loud voice, “Do not harm yourself! We are all here!”

29Calling for lights, the jailer rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. 30Then he brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

31They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32Then Paul and Silas spoke the word of the Lord to him and to everyone in his house. 33At that hour of the night, the jailer took them and washed their wounds. And without delay, he and all his household were baptized. 34Then he brought them into his home and set a meal before them. So he and all his household rejoiced that they had come to believe in God.

John 16:1-21
Jesus Teaches Nicodemus
1 Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”

3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.[a]”

4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”

5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[b] gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[c] must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”[d]

9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.

10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? 11 Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? 13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.[e] 14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,[f] 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”[g]

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.

The Rich Young Ruler Luke 18: 18-27
(Matthew 19:16–30; Mark 10:17–31)

18Then a certain ruler asked Him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

19“Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone. 20You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not bear false witness, honor your father and mother.’b”

21“All these I have kept from my youth,” he said.

22On hearing this, Jesus told him, “You still lack one thing: Sell everything you own and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.”

23But when the ruler heard this, he became very sad, because he was extremely wealthy.

24Seeing the man’s sadness,c Jesus said, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! 25Indeed, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

26Those who heard this asked, “Who then can be saved?”

27But Jesus said, “What is impossible with man is possible with God.”

Any eyewitnesses to this alleged tale? When was it recorded and what proof has ever been presented in support?

Just another myth being put forth by the deluded adherents of this idea.

For that matter, is there any physical proof of this Jesus you claim to admire? I'll wait.

Actually, the accounts are found in several books of the New Testament that were written by different people, everyone of which is either reputed to have been a witness or a witness to the person who was there. There is more ancient documentation surrounding Jesus the Messiah than any other event or individual from that time period.

So no proof, huh? Just more myths without evidence. As expected.

You're the one with no proof only speculation. All the Apostles are recorded to have died horrible deaths on account of their faith in JESUS the MESSIAH. People don't die willingly for what they know to be a lie, and neither would I.

No, that is how the religious have claimed that they died. Very doubtful and you cannot possibly know the motivations from 2000 years ago, just the story the religious claim to have happened. They would lie, and so do you.

What would be the point of lying about something like this? It certainly doesn't either put money in my pocket nor earn me a seat in Congress. Evolutionists have everything material to lose job wise, plus fame, authority, respect, control.... The Apostles never had any of that, and frankly, neither do I.

You have your ego, which is a much bigger thing to you than anything else. You feel that all should believe you just because you make a claim.

You are correct that you have no fame, authority or respect but th9is is caused by what you post and then try to confirm with myths.

BTW, these apostles never considered themselves to be what you call them. That name came along, as so much else you claim, is a total fabrication. Just like the vast majority of your beliefs.

Sorry, that you feel so threatened. Fortunately, the youngest book of the BIBLE is authoritatively accepted to have been transcribed by St. John just around 95 AD. By the way, I'm a saint. That's exactly what the New Testament writers consider everyone who is saved by grace through Jesus Christ. So, that is exactly what I consider myself to be. If that offends you, you might just wish to consider becoming one too.

 

[LittleNipper]

“And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

And yet it took 1700 years for the christians to actually do something about slavery. Looks like "the truth" came in the form of superior, secular ideas.

I don't think the blame should be entirely placed upon Christians. At least they eventually were able to sway the secular government, atheists, hedonists, and others into finally bringing slavery to an end for Christian reasons. If Evangelical Christians hadn't done the pushing ----- I'm pretty certain the white atheists would not have bothered doing anything, because it did not concern them. The content are not in the habit of rocking their boat. It's the very same with regard to the Holocaust. The vast majority of the few people who did try to save the Jews in Nazi Germany were Evangelical Bible Believing Christians. The Atheists among the supposed Aryan Race were certainly among those who proposed experimentation on their victims while eliminating "inferior races of subhumans" -- for the advancement of "Science". That is something, as a Creationist I don't believe. There is no real race, only humanity. There exists GOD's designed limited variations within our species. There are no superior people. Everyone has a divine purpose for existing. No one is more superior to anyone else. There exists no one higher on some ladder of evolution than anyone else. That is because there never existed such a thing and it doesn't exist now.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I don't think the blame should be entirely placed upon Christians.

Oh, no doubt. Some, but not all. I am focusing right on the shitty morality in the Bible and the culture in which it festered for more than a millennium. Of course, such barbarism was spread across the globe. Despite the fact that there were so many religions. Weird, eh?

 

[BreezeWood]

“And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

And yet it took 1700 years for the christians to actually do something about slavery. Looks like "the truth" came in the form of superior, secular ideas.

I don't think the blame should be entirely placed upon Christians. At least they eventually were able to sway the secular government, atheists, hedonists, and others into finally bringing slavery to an end for Christian reasons. If Evangelical Christian hadn't done the pushing ----- I'm pretty certain the white atheists would not have bothered doing anything, because it did not concern them. The content are not in the habit of rocking their boat. It's the very same with regard to the Holocaust. The vast majority of the few people who did try to save the Jews in Nazi Germany were Evangelical Bible Believing Christians. The Atheists among the supposed Aryan Race were certainly among those who proposed experimentation on their victims while eliminating "inferior races of subhumans" -- for the advancement of "Science". That is something, as a Creationist I don't believe. There is no real race, only humanity. There exists GOD's designed limited variations within our species. There are no superior people. Everyone has a divine plan for existing. No one is more superior to anyone else. There exists no one higher on some ladder of evolution than anyone else. That is because there never existed such a thing and it doesn't exist now.

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If Evangelical Christian hadn't done the pushing -----

By the way, I'm a saint.

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really, how about the rest of your congregation ... .

worked their asses off freeing the slaves.

 

[LittleNipper]

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I always believed walking with God was about living, not dying. What do you have for that?

Good people were clearly good and memorable regardless.

.
(regardless)

what is walking with god - particularly a corrupt one (any desert religion version) - - when being "good" as the original religion is simply enough - and when pure gains admission to the Everlasting.

or bing believes a good person would be sent to hell anyway not being a christian, believer of forgeries and fallacies. .

Only GOD is good. You are a thief (if you ever stole anything). You are a liar (if you ever told even one lie). You are a fornicator ( you ever thought of having sex with someone you are not married to). You are an adulterer (if you've contemplated sex with a person that was already married). You are a blasphemer (if you ever used Christ's name in vain and a hypocrite if you ever did such a thing while calling yourself an atheist). You are a child abuser (if you ever told a little one that GOD isn't real and prevented such a one from going to Sunday School, etc.). I could add to the list but I believe you should get the point ---- you and I cannot ever call ourselves "good". How can anyone call GOD corrupt, when HE came to save and HIS accusers turned their backs and behave as they did. There is no one in Hell who really loved GOD.

 

[LittleNipper]

I don't think the blame should be entirely placed upon Christians.

Oh, no doubt. Some, but not all. I am focusing right

What is NOT corrupted will not breed corruption.
Matthew 7:16-20

King James Version


16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
on the shitty morality in the Bible and the culture in which it festered for more than a millennium. Of course, such barbarism was spread across the globe. Despite the fact that there were so many religions. Weird, eh?

 

[LittleNipper]

“And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

And yet it took 1700 years for the christians to actually do something about slavery. Looks like "the truth" came in the form of superior, secular ideas.

I don't think the blame should be entirely placed upon Christians. At least they eventually were able to sway the secular government, atheists, hedonists, and others into finally bringing slavery to an end for Christian reasons. If Evangelical Christian hadn't done the pushing ----- I'm pretty certain the white atheists would not have bothered doing anything, because it did not concern them. The content are not in the habit of rocking their boat. It's the very same with regard to the Holocaust. The vast majority of the few people who did try to save the Jews in Nazi Germany were Evangelical Bible Believing Christians. The Atheists among the supposed Aryan Race were certainly among those who proposed experimentation on their victims while eliminating "inferior races of subhumans" -- for the advancement of "Science". That is something, as a Creationist I don't believe. There is no real race, only humanity. There exists GOD's designed limited variations within our species. There are no superior people. Everyone has a divine plan for existing. No one is more superior to anyone else. There exists no one higher on some ladder of evolution than anyone else. That is because there never existed such a thing and it doesn't exist now.

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If Evangelical Christian hadn't done the pushing -----

By the way, I'm a saint.

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really, how about the rest of your congregation ... .

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worked their asses off freeing the slaves.

“And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

And yet it took 1700 years for the christians to actually do something about slavery. Looks like "the truth" came in the form of superior, secular ideas.

I don't think the blame should be entirely placed upon Christians. At least they eventually were able to sway the secular government, atheists, hedonists, and others into finally bringing slavery to an end for Christian reasons. If Evangelical Christian hadn't done the pushing ----- I'm pretty certain the white atheists would not have bothered doing anything, because it did not concern them. The content are not in the habit of rocking their boat. It's the very same with regard to the Holocaust. The vast majority of the few people who did try to save the Jews in Nazi Germany were Evangelical Bible Believing Christians. The Atheists among the supposed Aryan Race were certainly among those who proposed experimentation on their victims while eliminating "inferior races of subhumans" -- for the advancement of "Science". That is something, as a Creationist I don't believe. There is no real race, only humanity. There exists GOD's designed limited variations within our species. There are no superior people. Everyone has a divine plan for existing. No one is more superior to anyone else. There exists no one higher on some ladder of evolution than anyone else. That is because there never existed such a thing and it doesn't exist now.

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If Evangelical Christian hadn't done the pushing -----

By the way, I'm a saint.

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really, how about the rest of your congregation ... .

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worked their asses off freeing the slaves.

Matthew 7:21-23

New American Standard Bible


21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ Wore clean white hoodies and burned crosses in people's yards.... 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’

 

[Grumblenuts]

you and I cannot ever call ourselves "good"

By the way, I'm a saint.

 

[BreezeWood]

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I always believed walking with God was about living, not dying. What do you have for that?

Good people were clearly good and memorable regardless.

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(regardless)

what is walking with god - particularly a corrupt one (any desert religion version) - - when being "good" as the original religion is simply enough - and when pure gains admission to the Everlasting.

or bing believes a good person would be sent to hell anyway not being a christian, believer of forgeries and fallacies. .

Only GOD is good. You are a thief (if you ever stole anything). You are a liar (if you ever told even one lie). You are a fornicator ( you ever thought of having sex with someone you are not married to). You are an adulterer (if you've contemplated sex with a person that was already married). You are a blasphemer (if you ever used Christ's name in vain and a hypocrite if you ever did such a thing while calling yourself an atheist). You are a child abuser (if you ever told a little one that GOD isn't real and prevented such a one from going to Sunday School, etc.). I could add to the list but I believe you should get the point ---- you and I cannot ever call ourselves "good". How can anyone call GOD corrupt, when HE came to save and HIS accusers turned their backs and behave as they did. There is no one in Hell who really loved GOD.

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You are a fornicator ( you ever thought of having sex with someone you are not married to) ... you and I cannot ever call ourselves "good".

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just curious, nipper was the 1st century religious itinerant married ... and the thought for you is evil for the adolescent and everyone else that daydream conquests of sexual encounters. are you a believer prostitution exists.

as well, the parable of noah - the religion of antiquity, prescribed by the Almighty - the triumph of good vs evil - they were made to parish one side or the other, the final scene of the 1st century and your 4th century christian bible is a reversal without justice rendered as the path you have seemingly chosen for yourself. abandoning the triumph for your own prejudices.