Zone1 What was Mohammud's Dispute With The Jews Around Him ?

[wamose]

I think Mohammud caught a Jew petting his favorite goat and he got jealous. He never got over that.

 

[surada]

^^^^ An arab legend----In fact the Jews of Yemen were engaged in tribal warfare
with christians who had invaded from Ethiopia----a short trip by boat. They
were even marrying Ethiopian women before christianity happened----ASK EZRA
who never suggested converting Ethiopians----??? a bit of a snob, he wanted
Jews to marry Jews.

The Ethiopian Christians came to the rescue of the Nestorian Christians who lived in Najran and Tarut. What makes you think it's a legend?

 

[irosie91]

Arabs have also lived in settled towns and villages for thousands of years. Look at the ancient villages named after the sons of Keturah.

Hating is a huge waste of energy.

what are you calling "arabs" ? Cleopatra was not an "arab"---Hammarabi was
not an "arab" Sargon was not an "arab" Felafel is probably of greek origin----
the whole Levant ate chick peas and broad beans and everyone cooked up flat
bread. But you make an excellent point-----Saudi arabia should be excavated
-----so we can get to know the LITERATURE OF ANCIENT ARABIC---thousands
of years old -----well at least 4000 years----RIGHT? (hint----you can be sure
of finding at least some writings in Hebrew in Medina ----and maybe Farsi ---
at least 2000 years old )

 

[surada]

what are you calling "arabs" ? Cleopatra was not an "arab"---Hammarabi was
not an "arab" Sargon was not an "arab" Felafel is probably of greek origin----
the whole Levant ate chick peas and broad beans and everyone cooked up flat
bread. But you make an excellent point-----Saudi arabia should be excavated
-----so we can get to know the LITERATURE OF ANCIENT ARABIC---thousands
of years old -----well at least 4000 years----RIGHT? (hint----you can be sure
of finding at least some writings in Hebrew in Medina ----and maybe Farsi ---
at least 2000 years old )

Sargon was an Arab. Cleopatra was Greek.

Global Arabic Encyclopedia, published in Saudi Arabia, the Canaanites and their affiliated tribe the Jebusites are said to be an Arab people who emigrated before the “Jews” around 2500 b.c.e. to Palestine from the Arabian Peninsula.

 

[irosie91]

The Ethiopian Christians came to the rescue of the Nestorian Christians who lived in Najran and Tarut. What makes you think it's a legend?

what makes you think it is documented history? I do not discard LEGENDS----
there is some basis even for the ODDYSSEY -----but Poseidan did not supply
Odysseus with a bag of wind. I do not discard the idea that Jews of Yemen
fought with Christians in Yemen as well as various other tribes in Yemen.
---but the devil is in the UNDOCUMENTED DETAILS. See PETER O'TOOLE

 

[surada]

what makes you think it is documented history? I do not discard LEGENDS----
there is some basis even for the ODDYSSEY -----but Poseidan did not supply
Odysseus with a bag of wind. I do not discard the idea that Jews of Yemen
fought with Christians in Yemen as well as various other tribes in Yemen.
---but the devil is in the UNDOCUMENTED DETAILS. See PETER O'TOOLE

Najran is in Arabia.

 

[irosie91]

Sargon was an Arab. Cleopatra was Greek.

right---Sargon was an "arab" like Maimonides was a muslim. I do have
a handle on islamic "history" ----especially the ARABIAN-PAKISTANI version--
from the SOURCE ---including the arabian history of PITA AND FELAFEL and
the MUGHAL invention of Chapatis and shishkebab. Yes---the queen of
Egypt was a GREEK speaking lady of greek family background before islam
happened and Sargon did not speak arabic either----he was literate in something
like Akkadian----another semitic language that is not arabic. People of arabia
spoke arabic even at the time of Sargon and even at the time Muhammad was born.
They could LOGICALLY be termed "arabs" except for the other people in arabia---
like the Akkadians (with the victory over arabia by Sargon) and the Jews and
the christians and zoroastrians----who all had their own NON-ARABIC forms of
writing. It is very possible that there are writings using hebrew letters in the
HEBRAIZED form of arabic----somewhere in the sands of Medina---THAT LANGUAGE
IS STILL SORTA EXTANT.

 

[irosie91]

Najran is in Arabia.

SO? I grew up in the land of the LENILANAPE INDIANS. I read and write in English
but am not an ANGLICAN either by faith or family background

 

[surada]

right---Sargon was an "arab" like Maimonides was a muslim. I do have
a handle on islamic "history" ----especially the ARABIAN-PAKISTANI version--
from the SOURCE ---including the arabian history of PITA AND FELAFEL and
the MUGHAL invention of Chapatis and shishkebab. Yes---the queen of
Egypt was a GREEK speaking lady of greek family background before islam
happened and Sargon did not speak arabic either----he was literate in something
like Akkadian----another semitic language that is not arabic. People of arabia
spoke arabic even at the time of Sargon and even at the time Muhammad was born.
They could LOGICALLY be termed "arabs" except for the other people in arabia---
like the Akkadians (with the victory over arabia by Sargon) and the Jews and
the christians and zoroastrians----who all had their own NON-ARABIC forms of
writing. It is very possible that there are writings using hebrew letters in the
HEBRAIZED form of arabic----somewhere in the sands of Medina---THAT LANGUAGE
IS STILL SORTA EXTANT.

The Akkadians were Arabs. So were the Amorites.

Rambam was a Jew.

 

[irosie91]

The Akkadians were Arabs. So were the Amorites.

ok----and ALL HUMANS are africans and Muhummad invented Pita and
Russian scientists invented the electroencephalogram. I forgot to mention
the 'factoid' that muhummad ended slavery and was the first person in
the world to address women's rights

 

[irosie91]

The Akkadians were Arabs. So were the Amorites.

Rambam was a Jew.

according to the islamo-nazi history of the world ---he was born a jew but converted
to islam and THEN became a famous doctor. There is PROOF---he was literate
in arabic------thus an ARAB, TOO---both muslim and an arab. I have relatives thru
marriage that are literate in Spanish and Turkish (and hebrew---but that is just a
dialect of arabic)-------so they are muslims too------could you let them know?
CUNEIFORM is actually ARABIC. Islamo-nazi history is fun

 

[Failzero]

Lol you think all Arabs were Bedouin? How stupid.

And not all Bedouin were Arab

 

[irosie91]

And not all Bedouin were Arab

How are you defining Bedouin and to what era does your "were" refer?

 

[irosie91]

ok----and ALL HUMANS are africans and Muhummad invented Pita and
Russian scientists invented the electroencephalogram. I forgot to mention
the 'factoid' that muhummad ended slavery and was the first person in
the world to address women's rights

surada disagrees------I am not sure to what----I posted several KNOWN CLAIMS by this
or that NATIONALIST approach to history. I wonder which of the claims she finds false?

 

[surada]

Surada imagines that she can read minds. She is not alone----I have
encountered such people on request and asked for VDRL. Her statement
belies her claim to sophistication. In fact, usage of the term "arab" way back
then is questionable----BUT the term ISHMAELITE was in use (translation from
the hebrew term ishmaeli ) which did, long before the birth of muhummmad,
describe that which bedouins were----nomads, illiterate, and prone to
criminality and dealers in slaves. In the bible---JOSEPH gets sold to ishmaelis
who were traveling from the east---with "precious scents" on to Egypt.
By the time Muhummad was born, Mecca was a bit sophisticated---harboring
literate people---zoroastrians, jews and christians and even BEDOUINS who
got some smarts and wealth. King Abdullah is a Bedouin by family background.
I have it from a person who had some dealing with his FATHER, King Hussein---
that daddy of Abdullah was a really nice guy. ---literate, living in a house etc etc.

Yes. His grandfather was the Emir of Mecca.

 

[surada]

The Qur'an does not explicitly condemn slavery or attempt to abolish it. Nonetheless, it does provide a number of regulations designed to ameliorate the situation of slaves. It recommends freeing slaves, especially “believing” slaves (Q. 2.177).
Brandeis University › muslim
Islam and Slavery | The Feminist Sexual Ethics Project - Brandeis University

 

[irosie91]

The Qur'an does not explicitly condemn slavery or attempt to abolish it. Nonetheless, it does provide a number of regulations designed to ameliorate the situation of slaves. It recommends freeing slaves, especially “believing” slaves (Q. 2.177).
Brandeis University › muslim
Islam and Slavery | The Feminist Sexual Ethics Project - Brandeis University

yes---like just about ALL slave societies---there are mechanisms in shariah law for the manumission of slaves. Long ago--when I was (sob) young, I read the PICKTHAL version --english translation---of the koran. The book itself was a bore but the FORWARD written by Pickthall was fascinating---he made CLAIMS that even for a 20 year old (me---way back) seemed FANTASTIC---he claimed that muhummad ABOLISHED slavery---and --for the very first time in human history GAVE women in the right to inherit. I was so confused by the outlandish claims that I thought--'this muhummad guy must have lived 10 thousand years ago'-----NOPE---I finally got to the library and checked it out---NOPE!!! it's just that Pickthal was nuts. He engaged in ISLAMIC HYPERBOLE