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Price Is No Longer an Obstacle to Clean Power

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Switching to Renewable energy could save Trillions - study​

By Jonah Fisher
BBC Environment Correspondent 9-13-2022

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The Cost of Green energy like Wind and Solar has been Falling for Decades

Switching from fossil fuels to renewable energy could save the world as much as $12tn (£10.2tn) by 2050, an Oxford University study says.


The report said it was wrong and pessimistic to claim that moving quickly towards cleaner energy sources was expensive.
Gas prices have soared on mounting concerns over energy supplies. But the researchers say that going green now makes economic sense because of the falling cost of renewables.

"Even if you're a climate denier, you should be on board with what we're advocating," Prof Doyne Farmer from the Institute for New Economic Thinking at the Oxford Martin School told BBC News. "Our central conclusion is that we should go full speed ahead with the green energy transition because it's going to save us money," he said.
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Just like computer chips/'Moore's Law' tech things have been getting dramatically more efficient.
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Switching to renewable energy could save trillions - study​

By Jonah Fisher
BBC Environment Correspondent

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The cost of green energy like wind and solar has been falling for decades
Switching from fossil fuels to renewable energy could save the world as much as $12tn (£10.2tn) by 2050, an Oxford University study says.
The report said it was wrong and pessimistic to claim that moving quickly towards cleaner energy sources was expensive.
Gas prices have soared on mounting concerns over energy supplies.
But the researchers say that going green now makes economic sense because of the falling cost of renewables.
"Even if you're a climate denier, you should be on board with what we're advocating," Prof Doyne Farmer from the Institute for New Economic Thinking at the Oxford Martin School told BBC News.
"Our central conclusion is that we should go full speed ahead with the green energy transition because it's going to save us money," he said.

"Our central conclusion is that we should go full speed ahead with the green energy transition because it's going to save us money," he said.

It's saving Germany money already.

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Last year Nancy and her husband spent $500,000 flying on private jets.
.... while observing clean energy...

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Last year Nancy and her husband spent $500,000 flying on private jets.
.... while observing clean energy...

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Dear Low IQ MAGAt Meme Moron.
This isn't about Obama and Pelosi, it's about the Math of renewables.
Anything ON topic?


[And please avoid Conspiracy websites like 'ManhattanContrarian' a retired lawyer, below I've seen posted twice in the last 24 hours. It's Not a response to the BBC, Oxford, the IEA, etc)
 
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Dear Low IQ MAGAt Meme Moron.
This isn't about Obama and Pelosi, it's about the Math of renewables.
Anything ON topic?

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The math still sucks.

The treatment of the energy storage problem in this paper is wholly inadequate, and bordering on the fantastical. The cost fantasies as to short-term storage are discussed above. As to longer term storage, from the Supplemental Information, pages 38-45, it appears that the proposed solution is almost entirely hydrogen, supposedly to be produced by electrolysis from water. (Here, they mostly.call the proposed storage medium “P2X fuels,” somehow implying that it might be something other than hydrogen, much like with New York and its “DEFR” fantasy.).

There is currently essentially no existing prototype or demonstration project of this so-called “green hydrogen” anywhere in the world from which realistic cost projections can be derived. (From the 2022 JP Morgan Asset Management Annual Energy Paper, page 39: “Current green hydrogen production is negligible. . . .”). Way, et al., do cite some costs of existing electrolyzers, but I can find no discussion in the paper of the issue that producing hydrogen on a scale sufficient to back up the entire world electricity system is going to require electrolyzing the ocean. And the millions of tons of toxic chlorine gas thereby produced are going to go — where?

The problems of dealing with enormous amounts of hydrogen — like explosiveness, embrittlement of pipelines, and the like — are dealt with with a wave of the hand. The creation of a massive green hydrogen infrastructure as the backup for wind and sun hasn’t even been begun by the most fanatical of the green energy crazies like Germany, California or New York. They take one look at the real costs and balk.


 

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Dear Low IQ MAGAt Meme Moron.
This isn't about Obama and Pelosi, it's about the Math of renewables.
Anything ON topic?


[And please avoid the conspiracy websites like 'ManhattanContrarian' a retired lawyer, below I've seen posted twice in the last 24 hours.]
Yes it is hive mind.
It is absolutely a case of "for thee and not for me"
How do you thing half of Europe is facing the worst energy crises since WW II???
Because the elites in their countries, while tipping their Armand de Brignac Rose champagne, pushed the country into trashing it's conventional energy capacity for "clean energy" with absolutely no thought or plans to what could happen if ANYTHING goes wrong.
They based their "clean energy" bullshit lies in fooling everyone "look how clean we are now!!!".... absolute lie. The only thing that changed was instead of producing their own - they relied totally on Russia to do their dirty energy.

And look at them now.
 
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Yes it is hive mind.
It is absolutely a case of "for thee and not for me"
How do you thing half of Europe is facing the worst energy crises since WW II???
Because the elites in their countries, while tipping their Armand de Brignac Rose champagne, pushed the country into trashing it's conventional energy capacity for "clean energy" with absolutely no thought or plans to what could happen if ANYTHING goes wrong.
They based their "clean energy" bullshit lies in fooling everyone "look how clean we are now!!!".... absolute lie. The only thing that changed was instead of producing their own - they relied totally on Russia to do their dirty energy.

And look at them now.
Europe relied on someone else's Fossil Fuel. That's how! (thanks low IQ boy)
and that's the predicament of MOST of the Planet: OPEC+Ru.

ERGO...
The obvious and only solution, especially since it iS now cheaper, is develop your own renewables.

Solar is tough in Northern Europe: UK, Germany etc. (BTW, Norway is OIL RICH you ldiot, the UK some too.) But UK has plenty of wind.
But there is that wind and other methods.
Some countries will have to rely on NG etc, to some degree, even us, but for a minority of the mix.
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Yes it is hive mind.
It is absolutely a case of "for thee and not for me"
How do you thing half of Europe is facing the worst energy crises since WW II???
Because the elites in their countries, while tipping their Armand de Brignac Rose champagne, pushed the country into trashing it's conventional energy capacity for "clean energy" with absolutely no thought or plans to what could happen if ANYTHING goes wrong.
They based their "clean energy" bullshit lies in fooling everyone "look how clean we are now!!!".... absolute lie. The only thing that changed was instead of producing their own - they relied totally on Russia to do their dirty energy.

And look at them now.

I loved their imports of American wood pellets to burn for green energy credits.
 

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I loved their imports of American wood pellets to burn for green energy credits.
"Oh look how clean they are!! Why can't America be like them??"
Morons. Every one of them.
In a TED talk I saw a top engineer show a chart that clearly shows Europe has INCREASED their greenhouse gasses the past 10 years... NOT decreased. All they did was outsource their energy needs to other countries and then pretend they are cleaner.
As he stated "greenhouse emissions is a global problem, not local."
 

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"Oh look how clean they are!! Why can't America be like them??"
Morons. Every one of them.
In a TED talk I saw a top engineer show a chart that clearly shows Europe has INCREASED their greenhouse gasses the past 10 years... NOT decreased. All they did was outsource their energy needs to other countries and then pretend they are cleaner.
As he stated "greenhouse emissions is a global problem, not local."

California does the same thing by importing electricity from neighboring states.
That, plus additional state government idiocy, was partly to blame for their 2003 electricity crisis.
 

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Europe relied on someone else's Fossil Fuel. That's how! (thanks low IQ boy)
and that's the predicament of MOST of the Planet: OPEC+Ru.

ERGO...
The obvious and only solution, especially since it iS now cheaper, is develop your own renewables.

Solar is tough in Northern Europe: UK, Germany etc. (BTW, Norway is OIL RICH you ldiot, the UK some too.) But UK has plenty of wind.
But there is that wind and other methods.
Some countries will have to rely on NG etc, to some degree, even us, but for a minority of the mix.
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What a maroon.
 

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Europe relied on someone else's Fossil Fuel. That's how! (thanks low IQ boy)
and that's the predicament of MOST of the Planet: OPEC+Ru.

ERGO...
The obvious and only solution, especially since it iS now cheaper, is develop your own renewables.

Solar is tough in Northern Europe: UK, Germany etc. (BTW, Norway is OIL RICH you ldiot, the UK some too.) But UK has plenty of wind.
But there is that wind and other methods.
Some countries will have to rely on NG etc, to some degree, even us, but for a minority of the mix.
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Listen thicko, if wind and solar were viable and cheap, countries would have to be off their rocker not to switch to them. But reality shows, Germany tried and their citizens are crying over the prices. France has loads of nuclear power stations and their citizens enjoy much cheaper prices. Now, it's not gloating or shit like that, it's fucking reality. And the day reality sinks into your thick skull, that will be the day that you'll have to concede renewables can contribute to power production but they won't replace fossil and nuclear power.
 

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Listen thicko, if wind and solar were viable and cheap, countries would have to be off their rocker not to switch to them. But reality shows, Germany tried and their citizens are crying over the prices. France has loads of nuclear power stations and their citizens enjoy much cheaper prices. Now, it's not gloating or shit like that, it's fucking reality. And the day reality sinks into your thick skull, that will be the day that you'll have to concede renewables can contribute to power production but they won't replace fossil and nuclear power.
Can't tell if you're kidding, but the ironic reality is that (06 Sep 2022):
The German public increasingly puts climate action at the top of its policy priorities and remains strongly in support of the transition to a low-carbon and nuclear-free economy. The picture across Europe is more diverse, although climate is becoming a top issue almost everywhere. Russia’s war against Ukraine has caused a shift on some key energy questions and it remains to be seen whether these are temporary.
And


Ironic because or anti-renewable, ACC and AGW denier contingent here make noises as though they oppose "new world order" and "fascist elite" directed change while the public has actually had to push its leaders to replace the old fossil and nuclear garbage with renewables from day one. These denier idiots here represent a very small minority of very wealthy interests, whether they know it or not. As someone has already mentioned, Russia has never supplied cheap gas to anyone. Neither will the U.S. in reality.
 

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Can't tell if you're kidding, but the ironic reality is that (06 Sep 2022):

And


Ironic because or anti-renewable, ACC and AGW denier contingent here make noises as though they oppose "new world order" and "fascist elite" directed change while the public has actually had to push its leaders to replace the old fossil and nuclear garbage with renewables from day one. These denier idiots here represent a very small minority of very wealthy interests, whether they know it or not. As someone has already mentioned, Russia has never supplied cheap gas to anyone. Neither will the U.S. in reality.

the public has actually had to push its leaders to replace the old fossil and nuclear garbage with renewables from day one.

That is ironic.

On February 10, 2022, French President Macron announced his optimistic intention to extend the lifetime beyond 50 years of all the country’s existing reactors and to build 6 to 14 new large reactors as well as some small modular reactors (additional 25 GW by 2050).4The construction of the first new large reactor should start in 2028 with commissioning targeted in 2035. The first prototype of small modular reactor is forecasted for 2030. This announcement is the first positive set of objectives for the French nuclear industry in decades. It also has the merit to be clear after a period of very confusing energy policies between 2012 and 2021.

 
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-Economics may take us to Net Zero all on its Own​

-The Plummeting Cost of Low-carbon energy has already allowed many countries to decouple economic growth from emissions
John Burn Murdoch
FinanciaI Times
SEPTEMBER 23 2022

-Speaking at the COP26 summit last year, Richa Sharma, leader of the Indian delegation, was quick to emphasise that India had a right to burn fossil fuels, telling delegates: “The meagre carbon budget is first and foremost the right and entitlement of developing countries.” This emphasis on allocating the bulk of remaining “carbon space” to countries that have not yet reaped the benefits of years of fossil-fuelled economic growth is central to the climate justice movement.

-But all such good intentions are rapidly being overtaken by simple economics.
In 2009, coal was still an attractive option for countries looking for affordable energy, its average costs coming in well below renewables.
-But by 2020, Both Wind and Solar had become Far Cheaper per unit of energy.


In some markets, capital-intensive new installations even worked out Cheaper than Existing coal plants. In response, India’s appetite for coal has quickly waned. In 2019, the International Energy Agency forecast that the country’s installed capacity of coal would grow by around 80% between 2018 and 2040. A year later, they revised that to just 10%...
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Have a nice page with your cheap-shot chatter.
(like the one-line OCD clown immediately below)
 
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