Extreme cost of green energy

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Chasing Weather Power Bankrupted the Grid and Cost the World $40 Trillion in Growth​

3 hours ago

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Tony Seruga writes on Twitter:

Between 2010 and 2026, governments and corporations poured roughly $2 trillion into solar, wind, and “net‑zero” programs under the promise of an imminent clean‑energy transition. What the public received instead was an illusion—a fragile grid, higher electricity prices, and negligible climate benefits. Energy remained just as carbon‑intensive, but far more expensive and unreliable. The fundamental error was confusing installed capacity with delivered power.

Wind and solar often produce energy only 20 % of the time; fossil and nuclear plants generate 60‑90 % consistently. Billions went to weather‑dependent infrastructure that must still be backed up by coal and gas. Once backups, grid stabilization, and battery losses are factored in, true delivered costs for renewables reach $120–250 per MWh, double or triple those of gas, coal, or nuclear.

When measured by physical reality rather than marketing slogans, that $2 trillion bought roughly the energy output of $400 billion in conventional power. It displaced almost no fossil fuel consumption and arguably reinforced it, since idling backup plants waste fuel. Worse, dependence on Chinese supply chains for solar panels and rare‑earth minerals eroded national energy independence and inflated emissions through hidden mining and shipping costs.

If that same capital had been spent on modern nuclear or advanced natural‑gas infrastructure, the outcome would have been transformative. $2 trillion could have built about 285 GW of nuclear capacity (powering 250 million homes reliably for 70 years) or 1,650 GW of efficient gas plants (enough for 900 million homes for 30 years). Either path would have cut 70–80 gigatons of CO₂, reduced global electricity costs by half, and created genuine energy security.

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Instead, the current “green” trajectory delivered rising utility bills, rolling blackouts, and greater reliance on geopolitical adversaries. Global power costs rose roughly 60%, contributing to deindustrialization in Europe, worldwide inflation, and a cumulative $37–40 trillion loss in global GDP—about half of one year of global economic output. That’s the price of mistaking ideology for engineering.

The lesson could not be clearer: physics determines prosperity. Dense, dispatchable energy such as nuclear or gas remains the backbone of civilization, and no amount of subsidies or messaging can legislate thermodynamics. The so‑called green transition did not decarbonize the planet—it impoverished it. The road to sustainability is not paved with solar subsidies but with unapologetic engineering and scientific honesty.

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Chasing Weather Power Bankrupted the Grid and Cost the World $40 Trillion in Growth​

3 hours ago

Guest Blogger

11 Comments

Tony Seruga writes on Twitter:

Between 2010 and 2026, governments and corporations poured roughly $2 trillion into solar, wind, and “net‑zero” programs under the promise of an imminent clean‑energy transition. What the public received instead was an illusion—a fragile grid, higher electricity prices, and negligible climate benefits. Energy remained just as carbon‑intensive, but far more expensive and unreliable. The fundamental error was confusing installed capacity with delivered power.

Wind and solar often produce energy only 20 % of the time; fossil and nuclear plants generate 60‑90 % consistently. Billions went to weather‑dependent infrastructure that must still be backed up by coal and gas. Once backups, grid stabilization, and battery losses are factored in, true delivered costs for renewables reach $120–250 per MWh, double or triple those of gas, coal, or nuclear.

When measured by physical reality rather than marketing slogans, that $2 trillion bought roughly the energy output of $400 billion in conventional power. It displaced almost no fossil fuel consumption and arguably reinforced it, since idling backup plants waste fuel. Worse, dependence on Chinese supply chains for solar panels and rare‑earth minerals eroded national energy independence and inflated emissions through hidden mining and shipping costs.

If that same capital had been spent on modern nuclear or advanced natural‑gas infrastructure, the outcome would have been transformative. $2 trillion could have built about 285 GW of nuclear capacity (powering 250 million homes reliably for 70 years) or 1,650 GW of efficient gas plants (enough for 900 million homes for 30 years). Either path would have cut 70–80 gigatons of CO₂, reduced global electricity costs by half, and created genuine energy security.

image-62.png

Instead, the current “green” trajectory delivered rising utility bills, rolling blackouts, and greater reliance on geopolitical adversaries. Global power costs rose roughly 60%, contributing to deindustrialization in Europe, worldwide inflation, and a cumulative $37–40 trillion loss in global GDP—about half of one year of global economic output. That’s the price of mistaking ideology for engineering.

The lesson could not be clearer: physics determines prosperity. Dense, dispatchable energy such as nuclear or gas remains the backbone of civilization, and no amount of subsidies or messaging can legislate thermodynamics. The so‑called green transition did not decarbonize the planet—it impoverished it. The road to sustainability is not paved with solar subsidies but with unapologetic engineering and scientific honesty.

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Climategate put an end to the profe$$ional environmental hoax. The only place that profe$$ional environmentali$m still exists is in the fevered minds of the dullusional leftites.
 
Watts up with that reports

Chasing Weather Power Bankrupted the Grid and Cost the World $40 Trillion in Growth​

3 hours ago

Guest Blogger

11 Comments

Tony Seruga writes on Twitter:

Between 2010 and 2026, governments and corporations poured roughly $2 trillion into solar, wind, and “net‑zero” programs under the promise of an imminent clean‑energy transition. What the public received instead was an illusion—a fragile grid, higher electricity prices, and negligible climate benefits. Energy remained just as carbon‑intensive, but far more expensive and unreliable. The fundamental error was confusing installed capacity with delivered power.

Wind and solar often produce energy only 20 % of the time; fossil and nuclear plants generate 60‑90 % consistently. Billions went to weather‑dependent infrastructure that must still be backed up by coal and gas. Once backups, grid stabilization, and battery losses are factored in, true delivered costs for renewables reach $120–250 per MWh, double or triple those of gas, coal, or nuclear.

When measured by physical reality rather than marketing slogans, that $2 trillion bought roughly the energy output of $400 billion in conventional power. It displaced almost no fossil fuel consumption and arguably reinforced it, since idling backup plants waste fuel. Worse, dependence on Chinese supply chains for solar panels and rare‑earth minerals eroded national energy independence and inflated emissions through hidden mining and shipping costs.

If that same capital had been spent on modern nuclear or advanced natural‑gas infrastructure, the outcome would have been transformative. $2 trillion could have built about 285 GW of nuclear capacity (powering 250 million homes reliably for 70 years) or 1,650 GW of efficient gas plants (enough for 900 million homes for 30 years). Either path would have cut 70–80 gigatons of CO₂, reduced global electricity costs by half, and created genuine energy security.

image-62.png

Instead, the current “green” trajectory delivered rising utility bills, rolling blackouts, and greater reliance on geopolitical adversaries. Global power costs rose roughly 60%, contributing to deindustrialization in Europe, worldwide inflation, and a cumulative $37–40 trillion loss in global GDP—about half of one year of global economic output. That’s the price of mistaking ideology for engineering.

The lesson could not be clearer: physics determines prosperity. Dense, dispatchable energy such as nuclear or gas remains the backbone of civilization, and no amount of subsidies or messaging can legislate thermodynamics. The so‑called green transition did not decarbonize the planet—it impoverished it. The road to sustainability is not paved with solar subsidies but with unapologetic engineering and scientific honesty.

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More dumb fuckery from dumb ***** and shills for fossil fuel corporations. Total lies. Here are the facts;

The least expensive forms of generation to build and maintain include:

solartechonline.com
The Complete Guide to Renewable Energy Costs in 2025


Motive Power
America’s Cheapest Sources of Electricity in 2024 | NPUC
 
Watts up with that reports

Chasing Weather Power Bankrupted the Grid and Cost the World $40 Trillion in Growth​

3 hours ago

Guest Blogger

11 Comments

Tony Seruga writes on Twitter:

Between 2010 and 2026, governments and corporations poured roughly $2 trillion into solar, wind, and “net‑zero” programs under the promise of an imminent clean‑energy transition. What the public received instead was an illusion—a fragile grid, higher electricity prices, and negligible climate benefits. Energy remained just as carbon‑intensive, but far more expensive and unreliable. The fundamental error was confusing installed capacity with delivered power.

Wind and solar often produce energy only 20 % of the time; fossil and nuclear plants generate 60‑90 % consistently. Billions went to weather‑dependent infrastructure that must still be backed up by coal and gas. Once backups, grid stabilization, and battery losses are factored in, true delivered costs for renewables reach $120–250 per MWh, double or triple those of gas, coal, or nuclear.

When measured by physical reality rather than marketing slogans, that $2 trillion bought roughly the energy output of $400 billion in conventional power. It displaced almost no fossil fuel consumption and arguably reinforced it, since idling backup plants waste fuel. Worse, dependence on Chinese supply chains for solar panels and rare‑earth minerals eroded national energy independence and inflated emissions through hidden mining and shipping costs.

If that same capital had been spent on modern nuclear or advanced natural‑gas infrastructure, the outcome would have been transformative. $2 trillion could have built about 285 GW of nuclear capacity (powering 250 million homes reliably for 70 years) or 1,650 GW of efficient gas plants (enough for 900 million homes for 30 years). Either path would have cut 70–80 gigatons of CO₂, reduced global electricity costs by half, and created genuine energy security.

image-62.png

Instead, the current “green” trajectory delivered rising utility bills, rolling blackouts, and greater reliance on geopolitical adversaries. Global power costs rose roughly 60%, contributing to deindustrialization in Europe, worldwide inflation, and a cumulative $37–40 trillion loss in global GDP—about half of one year of global economic output. That’s the price of mistaking ideology for engineering.

The lesson could not be clearer: physics determines prosperity. Dense, dispatchable energy such as nuclear or gas remains the backbone of civilization, and no amount of subsidies or messaging can legislate thermodynamics. The so‑called green transition did not decarbonize the planet—it impoverished it. The road to sustainability is not paved with solar subsidies but with unapologetic engineering and scientific honesty.

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The cost of building a base load gas plant has increased substantially, while the cost of building a solar farm continues to decline, and has been the least expensive to build and maintain for over a decade now. That blog is shit. Here are the facts;

Key Findings from the 2025 LCOE+ Report

  1. Renewables Remain Competitive: Unsubsidized Wind & Solar Lowest Cost Generation Sources for Last 10 Years
    Despite facing macro challenges and headwinds, utility-scale solar and onshore wind remain the most cost-effective forms of new-build energy generation on an unsubsidized basis (i.e., without tax subsidies). As such, renewable energy will continue to play a key role in the buildout of new power generation in the U.S. as the lowest-cost and quickest-to-deploy generation.
  2. Increased Cost of Gas-Fired Generation: Gas-Fired Generation Reaches 10-Year High LCOE
    While persistent low gas prices, high energy demand and increasing renewable LCOEs have resulted in the continued cost competitiveness of operating existing baseload gas generation, the cost of building a new combined cycle gas turbine has reached a 10-year high. Turbine shortages, rising costs and long delivery times are expected to continue driving steep LCOE increases for gas technologies in the near term—however, productivity enhancements and supply chain normalization could offset such increases over the longer term.
  3. Storage Cost Decline: Significant YOY Declines Offset 2021 – 2024 Increases, Dropping LCOE to 2020 Level
    This year’s report shows sharp declines for battery energy storage systems across hybrid and standalone storage projects. Key drivers of such results include both market dynamics (e.g., lower-than-expected EV demand and the resulting oversupply of cells) and technological advancements (e.g., increased cell capacity and energy density).
  4. System Analysis is Evolving: More Renewables Requires More Sophisticated Capacity Accreditation
    As renewable penetration increases, several independent system operators are refining their capacity accreditation methodologies to incorporate seasonal adjustments and diversity benefits, which have generally driven up firming costs. The continued development of more sophisticated capacity accreditation frameworks could have significant impacts on future firming costs.
 
Watts up with that reports

Chasing Weather Power Bankrupted the Grid and Cost the World $40 Trillion in Growth​

3 hours ago

Guest Blogger

11 Comments

Tony Seruga writes on Twitter:

Between 2010 and 2026, governments and corporations poured roughly $2 trillion into solar, wind, and “net‑zero” programs under the promise of an imminent clean‑energy transition. What the public received instead was an illusion—a fragile grid, higher electricity prices, and negligible climate benefits. Energy remained just as carbon‑intensive, but far more expensive and unreliable. The fundamental error was confusing installed capacity with delivered power.

Wind and solar often produce energy only 20 % of the time; fossil and nuclear plants generate 60‑90 % consistently. Billions went to weather‑dependent infrastructure that must still be backed up by coal and gas. Once backups, grid stabilization, and battery losses are factored in, true delivered costs for renewables reach $120–250 per MWh, double or triple those of gas, coal, or nuclear.

When measured by physical reality rather than marketing slogans, that $2 trillion bought roughly the energy output of $400 billion in conventional power. It displaced almost no fossil fuel consumption and arguably reinforced it, since idling backup plants waste fuel. Worse, dependence on Chinese supply chains for solar panels and rare‑earth minerals eroded national energy independence and inflated emissions through hidden mining and shipping costs.

If that same capital had been spent on modern nuclear or advanced natural‑gas infrastructure, the outcome would have been transformative. $2 trillion could have built about 285 GW of nuclear capacity (powering 250 million homes reliably for 70 years) or 1,650 GW of efficient gas plants (enough for 900 million homes for 30 years). Either path would have cut 70–80 gigatons of CO₂, reduced global electricity costs by half, and created genuine energy security.

image-62.png

Instead, the current “green” trajectory delivered rising utility bills, rolling blackouts, and greater reliance on geopolitical adversaries. Global power costs rose roughly 60%, contributing to deindustrialization in Europe, worldwide inflation, and a cumulative $37–40 trillion loss in global GDP—about half of one year of global economic output. That’s the price of mistaking ideology for engineering.

The lesson could not be clearer: physics determines prosperity. Dense, dispatchable energy such as nuclear or gas remains the backbone of civilization, and no amount of subsidies or messaging can legislate thermodynamics. The so‑called green transition did not decarbonize the planet—it impoverished it. The road to sustainability is not paved with solar subsidies but with unapologetic engineering and scientific honesty.

Subscribe to Watts up with that to read the full post
Loony libs like 'green energy' the same way they like Marxism. Both look good on paper and can be used for propaganda and to scare folks about the Planet burning up or freezing due to human beings or to foment hatred for people that produce and have more than others
 
Loony libs like 'green energy' the same way they like Marxism. Both look good on paper and can be used for propaganda and to scare folks about the Planet burning up or freezing due to human beings or to foment hatred for people that produce and have more than others
Seig Heil, brother, Seig Heil. LOL
 

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