Pretti Shooting my opinion as a member of US Lawfare

[OODA_Loop]

The one getting pushed isn’t guilty of assault.

You said: “The first time he was pushed off the streets.” referring to Pretti being pushed off the streets. That’s not assault.

Pretti pushed back and bumped the officer with his chest.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Pretti pushed back and bumped the officer with his chest.

I’m just going off of what you said.

“The first time he was pushed off the streets” is not assault. You then changed this claim to “he pushed back”.

Please clarify that your original statement is not considered assault by Pretti.

 

[rightwinger]

was she an illegal, was she obstructing, should have minded his own business. This whole charade of protesting(rioting) is to take the focus off of the skinnies fraud.

No
Not minding your business is not justification

 

[OODA_Loop]

I’m just going off of what you said.

“The first time he was pushed off the streets” is not assault. You then changed this claim to “he pushed back”.

Please clarify that your original statement is not considered assault by Pretti.

No you're wrong repeatedly. I think on purpose.

Post #286 I wrote verbatim:

"The first time he was pushed off the streets. he stood their arguing and bumping chests with the officer = Offensive contact"

 

[XponentialChaos]

No you're wrong repeatedly. I think on purpose.

Post #286 I wrote verbatim:

"The first time he was pushed off the streets. he stood their arguing and bumping chests with the officer = Offensive contact"

Ok. So the “he was pushed” part is not assault by Pretti. Are we in agreement on that?

 

[OODA_Loop]

Ok. So the “he was pushed” part is not assault by Pretti. Are we in agreement on that?

The bumping [chest] is the action verb on the part of Pretti and is assault.

He was pushed off the streets was the action of police to which Pretti responded to by pushing back by bumping his chest into the officer.

 

[Lockback]

The bumping [chest] is the action verb on the part of Pretti and is assault.

He was pushed off the streets was the action of police to which Pretti responded to by pushing back by bumping his chest into the officer.

In summation, we can say Pretti was a really, really stupid and violent person.

 

[XponentialChaos]

The bumping [chest] is the action verb on the part of Pretti and is assault.

He was pushed off the streets was the action of police to which Pretti responded to by pushing back by bumping his chest into the officer.

Excellent. We’ve established that “he was pushed” is not considered assault by Pretti.

Onto your next claim: “Bumping chests”.

I don’t see “bumping chests”. Are you referring to this video?

 

[OODA_Loop]

Excellent. We’ve established that “he was pushed” is not considered assault by Pretti.

Onto your next claim: “Bumping chests”.

I don’t see “bumping chests”. Are you referring to this video?

0:18 He positions his legs in a stance to thrust forward and contact the officer with his chest.

 

[XponentialChaos]

0:18 He positions his legs in a stance to thrust forward and contact the officer with his chest.

And you’re arguing that that meets the legal definition of assault, correct?

 

[Hafar1014]

And you’re arguing that that meets the legal definition of assault, correct?

That does meet the definition of a battery.
In law, battery is the intentional, unconsented, harmful, or offensive touching of another person, serving as both a crime (criminal battery) and a civil wrong (tort), distinguished from assault by requiring actual physical contact, which can range from a push to severe injury, depending on jurisdiction and circumstances like weapon use or serious harm, potentially leading to jail time, fines, or monetary damages.

 

[OODA_Loop]

And you’re arguing that that meets the legal definition of assault, correct?

What else is thrusting your chest into an officer trying to remove you from the road ?

The legal definition of assault you previously posted:

"Assault is generally defined as an intentional act that puts another person in reasonable apprehension of imminent harmful or offensive contact. No physical injury is required, but the actor must have intended to cause a harmful or offensive contact with the victim and the victim must have thereby been put in immediate apprehension of such a contact."

 

[XponentialChaos]

That does meet the definition of a battery.
In law, battery is the intentional, unconsented, harmful, or offensive touching of another person, serving as both a crime (criminal battery) and a civil wrong (tort), distinguished from assault by requiring actual physical contact, which can range from a push to severe injury, depending on jurisdiction and circumstances like weapon use or serious harm, potentially leading to jail time, fines, or monetary damages.

So it’s not assault, but it is battery?

Is that correct?

 

[braalian]

“A member of US lawfare”?

What the heck does that mean?

 

[d0gbreath]

“A member of US lawfare”?

What the heck does that mean?

That puzzled me too. Lawfare was a dirty word, first used against Biden's DOJ.

 

[XponentialChaos]

What else is thrusting your chest into an officer trying to remove you from the road ?

The legal definition of assault you previously posted:

"Assault is generally defined as an intentional act that puts another person in reasonable apprehension of imminent harmful or offensive contact. No physical injury is required, but the actor must have intended to cause a harmful or offensive contact with the victim and the victim must have thereby been put in immediate apprehension of such a contact."

And, in your opinion, how does that meet the legal definition of assault? Please explain so I’ll know how to address this.

 

[Hafar1014]

So it’s not assault, but it is battery?

Is that correct?

I would call it a battery but it really makes no difference as to why he was shot. There was no justification to use deadly force

 

[OODA_Loop]

And, in your opinion, how does that meet the legal definition of assault? Please explain so I’ll know how to address this.

Thrusting your chest forward into an officer while he is trying to remove you from the street during a volatile confrontation with LE is offensive contact and gives grounds for reasonable apprehension imminent harm could be next.

Notwithstanding that a blowing whistle in close proximity is immediate harm.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Thrusting your chest forward into an officer while he is trying to remove you from street during a volatile confrontation with LE is offensive contact and gives grounds for reasonable apprehension imminent harm could be next.

Notwithstanding that a blowing whistle in close proximity is immediate harm.

Ok so you think it’s considered “offensive contact”.

Offensive contact is legally defined as touching that is likely to or capable of causing harm or offending a reasonable person by violating prevailing social standards of acceptable touching.

Here are some examples of what would be considered “offensive contact”.

• Unwanted Physical Intimacy: Kissing, hugging, or touching someone in a sexual manner without their consent.
• Aggressive Physical Contact: Forcibly pushing, shoving, or grabbing someone, such as pushing someone out of the way.
• Intentional "Accidental" Contact: Roughly bumping into someone at a bar to intimidate them or forcefully brushing past a person during an argument.
• Spitting: Spitting on another person is considered a form of offensive contact.
• Throwing Objects: Throwing an object that strikes a person, even if it does not cause severe physical injury.

None of these apply.

 

[XponentialChaos]

I would call it a battery but it really makes no difference as to why he was shot. There was no justification to use deadly force

You called it assault before. I guess you changed your mind.

Preti did assault an agent when he put his hands on the agent.