Pretti Shooting my opinion as a member of US Lawfare

[OODA_Loop]

Ok so you think it’s considered “offensive contact”.

Offensive contact is legally defined as touching that is likely to or capable of causing harm or offending a reasonable person by violating prevailing social standards of acceptable touching.

Here are some examples of what would be considered “offensive contact”.

• Unwanted Physical Intimacy: Kissing, hugging, or touching someone in a sexual manner without their consent.
• Aggressive Physical Contact: Forcibly pushing, shoving, or grabbing someone, such as pushing someone out of the way.
• Intentional "Accidental" Contact: Roughly bumping into someone at a bar to intimidate them or forcefully brushing past a person during an argument.
• Spitting: Spitting on another person is considered a form of offensive contact.
• Throwing Objects: Throwing an object that strikes a person, even if it does not cause severe physical injury.

None of these apply.

Pushing LE with your chest as they try to move you out of the street certainly offends reasonable people by violating not only the law for obstructing and hindering, but standards of acceptable touching.


18 U.S.C. 111 criminalizes a broad range of conduct against federal officers and employees engaged in official duties. It covers physical assaults, resistance, intimidation, and interference. Even non-violent obstruction, such as refusing to comply with lawful orders or blocking an officer’s movement, can lead to prosecution. Courts interpret the law broadly to ensure federal officials can perform their duties without interference.

Physical assaults can range from minor contact, like pushing or grabbing, to violent attacks involving weapons or serious bodily harm. The law does not require injury for charges to be filed—any intentional, forceful act against a federal officer is sufficient. Threats and intimidation, even without physical contact, may also constitute a violation if they place the officer in reasonable fear of harm.

 

[Mac-7]

There was no accidental discharge thats theory that hasnt been supported by any evidence.
Watch this its the best analysis of the shooting which was unlawful use of deadly force

I agree that everything we both say is unsupported by evidence

The investigation will bring out the facts

But the left isnt waiting for that before crying MURDER! as loud and often as possible

 

[XponentialChaos]

Pushing LE with your chest as they try to move you out of the street certainly offends reasonable people by violating not only the law for obstructing and hindering, but standards of acceptable touching.

Doesn’t fit with any of the examples provided for “offensive contact”.

 

[Mac-7]

So then where is the spent casing? It doesnt exist because it never happened

Does your lib crystal ball tell you that NumbNuts’ weapon was not fired?

Maybe the FBI has a spent casing that you dont know about

 

[OODA_Loop]

Doesn’t fit with any of the examples provided for “offensive contact”.

There are broader acts defined as such against law enforcement.

 

[XponentialChaos]

There are broader acts defined as such against law enforcement.

Has to meet the legal definition of assault to be considered assault. It doesn’t meet that definition.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Has to meet the legal definition of assault to be considered assault. It doesn’t meet that definition.

You think you just post a copy / paste without citation and your definition in the only one?

 

[XponentialChaos]

You think you just post a copy / paste without citation and your definition in the only one?

I just googled it. If you have a different source that matches what Pretti did, go ahead and share it.

 

[Leo123]

Except that Pretti never reached into a pocket.

None of the videos show this action. There is one frame in the Pink Lady video where his right arm is obscured by his body (from the video frame of reference). But in one frame its visible, the next is obscured in the video, and the next frame it is visibile again. Time elapse a fraction of a second. This in context while he is on the ground/knees being manhandled by multiple DHS agents.

Now during the entire context of the event, from the very beginning Pretti is holding his cell phone in his right hand. Duing the frames in question he is still holding his cell phone, his body obscures his arm, and when the arm a fraction of a second later is visible again it is STILL holding the cell phone.

You cannot "reach into pocket" holding a 6x3 cell phone, grap a pistol, while still holding the cell phone grab the pistol and then hold the pistol in a manner suitable for shooting. You would have to drop the cell phone, which Pretti never did.

WW

You really have to spin to promote your fake position that Pretti was summarily executed by ICE. What's wrong with you?

 

[WorldWatcher]

You really have to spin to promote your fake position that Pretti was summarily executed by ICE. What's wrong with you?

Gee, I don’t know.

Maybe because a man was OC sprayed multiple times, forced to the ground by a scrum of 4-5 agents, had firearm that he never brandished removed by an officer then shot 10 times in the back.

But gets just me.

DHS agents escalated the violence instead of deescalating it and a man is now dead because he was videoing DHS agents in public.

But let’s bring it into court along with all the evidence, ballistics, video, autopsy, officer testimony under oath and witness testimony under oath.

See what a jury says.

WW

 

[OODA_Loop]

I just googled it. If you have a different source that matches what Pretti did, go ahead and share it.

I already used your provided link for this. I remind you:

Offensive contact is an assault. Pushing yourself into LE who is trying to remove your form the street is offensive contact.

 

[Leo123]

Gee, I don’t know.

Maybe because a man was OC sprayed multiple times, forced to the ground by a scrum of 4-5 agents, had firearm that he never brandished removed by an officer then shot 10 times in the back.

But gets just me.

DHS agents escalated the violence instead of deescalating it and a man is now dead because he was videoing DHS agents in public.

But let’s bring it into court along with all the evidence, ballistics, video, autopsy, officer testimony under oath and witness testimony under oath.

See what a jury says.

WW

Pretti committed a felony when he tried to interrupt an agent doing his lawful job that is why he got sprayed, he shouldn't have been involved, he should have stayed on the sidewalk like he was told to do. Pretti was carrying a gun illegally because although he had a permit he had no I.D. which is a requirement when carrying. He did not tell the officers he had a gun when he was detained and he fought law enforcement causing all those agents to try to subdue him. Pretti had no business inserting himself into a lawful situation.

In Signal Chat there are instructions for protesters (rioters) to try to cause a 'de-arrest' by distracting the arresting agent so the detainee can get away.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Pretti committed a felony when he tried to interrupt an agent doing his lawful job that is why he got sprayed, he shouldn't have been involved, he should have stayed on the sidewalk like he was told to do. Pretti was carrying a gun illegally because although he had a permit he had no I.D. which is a requirement when carrying. He did not tell the officers he had a gun when he was detained and he fought law enforcement causing all those agents to try to subdue him. Pretti had no business inserting himself into a lawful situation.

In Signal Chat there are instructions for protesters (rioters) to try to cause a 'de-arrest' by distracting the arresting agent so the detainee can get away.

Join me in calling for all the evidence to be presented in court before a jury instead of trying to blame the unarmed guy shot in the back.

WW

 

[OODA_Loop]

Join me in calling for all the evidence to be presented in court before a jury instead of trying to blame the unarmed guy shot in the back.

WW

On what charges specifically?

Why hasn't the Minnesota State's Attorney filed charges?

 

[Leo123]

Join me in calling for all the evidence to be presented in court before a jury instead of trying to blame the unarmed guy shot in the back.

WW

It's not up to me or to you to call for a court hearing. That's up to the investigators. Frankly, it seem you do not like law enforcement and are for agitators trying to block law enforcement from doing their legal duty. Beyond that, would you be for Walz and Frey to face charges for violating immigration law? After all, if they would have just agreed to detain illegal alien criminals so that ICE could arrest them none of this would have happened and Pretti would still be alive.

 

[WorldWatcher]

On what charges specifically?

Why hasn't the Minnesota State's Attorney filed charges?

Negligent homemade maybe murder 2. Could be a civil suit for wrongful death.

Re: AG, because DHS is impeding the investigation by not sharing evidence. The MN AG has gone to federal court and received TRO ordering DOJ and to DHS and subordinate agency to preserve all evidence in the case .

WW

 

[MayorQuimby]

Pushing LE with your chest as they try to move you out of the street certainly offends reasonable people by violating not only the law for obstructing and hindering, but standards of acceptable touching.

I agree with this poster. Stuff like that (thrusting out one's chest in an already volatile situation involving the LE) can be considered to have violent intention. The ICE doesn't only have to deal with the chest-pushing, they also have to think about what else the man might do. If he is clearly showing signs of aggression, then I really think ICE is justified in using deadly fire to neutralize him. They didn't know what else he was capable of.

Here where I live, a man who is merely wielding a knife but who hasn't hurt anybody yet can be taken down with deadly force and the police would not be punished for it. I believe that in the past, some officer must have tried to tackle such a man and instead got killed. So they have updated the rule regarding these sorts of things. I imagine it's the same case with ICE.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Negligent homemade maybe murder 2. Could be a civil suit for wrongful death.

How was LE negligent?

 

[XponentialChaos]

I already used your provided link for this. I remind you:

Offensive contact is an assault. Pushing yourself into LE who is trying to remove your form the street is offensive contact.

Are you claiming that the link says this:

“Offensive contact is an assault. Pushing yourself into LE who is trying to remove your form the street is offensive contact.”

 

[OODA_Loop]

Are you claiming that the link says this:

“Offensive contact is an assault. Pushing yourself into LE who is trying to remove your form the street is offensive contact.”

Absolutely. Offensive contact is an assault under your provided link.

Pushing yourself into LE who are trying to remove you from the street is offensive contact.”