Popular vote to determine president may be law by 2031

Do you agree with The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 10.7%
  • No

    Votes: 25 89.3%

  • Total voters
    28
It doesn’t matter what I want, the cotus forbids compacts unless approved by congress


Plus, let’s just be real honest here…the ONLY reason the left wants this is because they think it will give them an advantage in every presidential election.

And I want a republic, as the cotus says we should be, democratically elected republican form of government.

Ah yes, the Constitution cannot be changed, there is no provision in the Constitution for change.

But it's also very convenient that it benefits your party massively.

Well, why should the left not benefit more?

Do you know the last Republican president to become president for the first time with the popular vote? It was George Bush, in 1988

So... you can see that the Republicans have had two presidents since then, a massive amount of the Supreme Court picks, and yet they can't get a person to beat anyone unless they've already been president before.
 
The NPVIC would face a challenge for sure. And the R's on the SC bench would absolutely strike it down. But it's popular, it's the right thing to do, and it should be done.


And you’d feel that way if it was an advantage to republicans?
 
And it disenfranchises the votes of millions of people.

Tihe votes of the people in a compact state still count for the national vote.

The idea that it "disenfranchises" millions of people is hogwash.

Each vote still counts toward the national popular vote.
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And this one is from someone that doesn't approve of the nation vote compact.

WW
 
It doesn’t matter what I want, the cotus forbids compacts unless approved by congress

Get congress to approve compacts then you’ll have something…but then red states are going to compact together too then..


Congressional approval doesn't matter any more. Didn't you get the memo.

Congress is supposed to approve wars. That wasn't needed.

Congress is supposed to approve tariffs. That wasn't needed.

Whats good for the goose...

WW
 
Ah yes, the Constitution cannot be changed, there is no provision in the Constitution for change.

There are 2 ways to change the cotus.


But it's also very convenient that it benefits your party massively.

No, it really doesn’t. We’ve had a fairly even mix of republican and democrat presidents, if we went to a popular vote, it would swing to where the Dems would have a massive advantage.

The EC was designed to give smaller states a voice. What’s wrong with that? Larger states have more say than smaller states, but they at least have a say.

Well, why should the left not benefit more?

I’d say both sides have been represented fairly evenly.

Do you know the last Republican president to become president for the first time with the popular vote? It was George Bush, in 1988

So... you can see that the Republicans have had two presidents since then, a massive amount of the Supreme Court picks, and yet they can't get a person to beat anyone unless they've already been president before.

And we’ve had 2 democrats presidents too. Seems pretty even.
 
Tihe votes of the people in a compact state still count for the national vote.

The idea that it "disenfranchises" millions of people is hogwash.

Each vote still counts toward the national popular vote.
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And this one is from someone that doesn't approve of the nation vote compact.

WW

If a state goes red but due to the compact, they have to award their votes to the dem candidate because they won the national popular vote, everyone in that state is disenfranchised.
 
Congressional approval doesn't matter any more. Didn't you get the memo.

Congress is supposed to approve wars. That wasn't needed.

Congress is supposed to approve tariffs. That wasn't needed.

Whats good for the goose...

WW

Then go for it, but again, red states can just take their 28 legislatures and award all their EC votes to the Repub candidate…


Republican presidents forever….
 
The popular vote compact for selecting a President is one closer as VA passed the law that allows states to create a mechanism that will deactivate the Electoral College

This is provocative act will cause dissension as well as tension in each of the major parties.

“The presidency should be won by the candidate who receives the most votes nationwide – not just the right combination of battleground states,” said Christina Harvey, Stand Up America’s executive director. “This brings us one step closer to a system where Americans’ votes for president and vice-president count equally, no matter where they live.”

According to a column by George Chidi, in The Guardian, "A national majority vote for president is one step closer to reality after the Virginia governor, Abigail Spanberger, signed the national popular vote bill into law, joining an interstate compact with 17 other states and the District of Columbia.

Under the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, states would assign their presidential electors to the winner of the popular vote, regardless of the results within the state. The compact takes effect when states representing a majority of electoral votes – 270 of 538 – pass the legislation and thus would determine the winner of the presidential contest. With Virginia, the compact now has 222 electors.

Every state that has so far enacted the compact has Democratic electoral majorities, including California, New York and Illinois. But legislation has been introduced in enough states to reach the 270-elector threshold, including swing states like Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

The legislation relies on two provisions of the US constitution, which would face intense legal scrutiny if and when the compact comes into force. Article II, section 1 of the constitution authorizes each state to appoint electors “in such manner as the legislature thereof may direct”. The constitution does not require states to even have a vote for president, never mind delegating those electors as a state’s voters choose.

The second provision, article I, section 10, clause 3 of the US constitution, governs interstate compacts. The text authorizes states to form legally binding agreements governing their relationships to one another. The text requires states to gain the assent of Congress to enact a compact. But longstanding US supreme court precedent holds that states only require congressional approval for a compact if the agreement infringes on federal power. Supporters of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact argue that the delegation of electors is a state power, not a federal power.

A Pew Research Center poll from 2024 showed that 63% of Americans would replace the electoral college with a national popular vote for president, with 35% opposing change.

“We’ll continue our state-by-state work until the candidate who wins the most popular votes is elected president and every voter is treated equally in every presidential election,” said John Koza, chairman of National Popular Vote, an organization spearheading the legislation.


Stand Up America, which also advocates for a national popular vote, noted two out of the four US presidents of the 21st century – George W Bush in 2000 and Donald Trump in 2016 – lost the popular vote and won the White House nonetheless through the electoral college. Of the 60 presidential elections in US history, 10 others were near misses in which a small number of votes in a few states could have tipped the electoral college toward the candidate who lost the popular vote.
The Founding Fathers in their brilliance knew 250 years ago that electing Presidents by popular vote was a terrible idea. And it still is.
 
If a state goes red but due to the compact, they have to award their votes to the dem candidate because they won the national popular vote, everyone in that state is disenfranchised.

Nope, the popular vote in the state still goes toward the national popular vote.

The legislature tough determines how EC votes are allocated.

WW
 
Then go for it, but again, red states can just take their 28 legislatures and award all their EC votes to the Repub candidate…


Republican presidents forever….

They can.

The COTUS providers that it is for the legislature to determine how EC votes are cast.

If that’s c the way they go, that’s c their call.

WW
 
There are 2 ways to change the cotus.




No, it really doesn’t. We’ve had a fairly even mix of republican and democrat presidents, if we went to a popular vote, it would swing to where the Dems would have a massive advantage.

The EC was designed to give smaller states a voice. What’s wrong with that? Larger states have more say than smaller states, but they at least have a say.



I’d say both sides have been represented fairly evenly.



And we’ve had 2 democrats presidents too. Seems pretty even.
Yeah it does.

Dubya won the first time with less votes than his opponent.
Trump won the first time with less votes than his opponent.


Before that it was 1888 when a Republican won with less votes (back when Republicans were more liberal).

The fact that you have to go back to the 1980s when a person became president for the first time by getting more votes than their opponent, that's nearly 40 years, is rather telling.

Two Democratic presidents, who had to win by far more

2020 - Biden won by +4.5% of the vote
2016 - Trump won by -2.1% of the vote
2008 - Obama won by +7.2% of the vote
2000 - Dubya won by -0.5% of the vote
1992 - Clinton won by +5.5% oof the vote

You see how much more a Democrat has to win by? If they don't get 4%+ of the vote, THEY LOSE.

Fair? No
 
The popular vote compact for selecting a President is one closer as VA passed the law that allows states to create a mechanism that will deactivate the Electoral College

This is provocative act will cause dissension as well as tension in each of the major parties.

“The presidency should be won by the candidate who receives the most votes nationwide – not just the right combination of battleground states,” said Christina Harvey, Stand Up America’s executive director. “This brings us one step closer to a system where Americans’ votes for president and vice-president count equally, no matter where they live.”

According to a column by George Chidi, in The Guardian, "A national majority vote for president is one step closer to reality after the Virginia governor, Abigail Spanberger, signed the national popular vote bill into law, joining an interstate compact with 17 other states and the District of Columbia.

Under the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, states would assign their presidential electors to the winner of the popular vote, regardless of the results within the state. The compact takes effect when states representing a majority of electoral votes – 270 of 538 – pass the legislation and thus would determine the winner of the presidential contest. With Virginia, the compact now has 222 electors.

Every state that has so far enacted the compact has Democratic electoral majorities, including California, New York and Illinois. But legislation has been introduced in enough states to reach the 270-elector threshold, including swing states like Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

The legislation relies on two provisions of the US constitution, which would face intense legal scrutiny if and when the compact comes into force. Article II, section 1 of the constitution authorizes each state to appoint electors “in such manner as the legislature thereof may direct”. The constitution does not require states to even have a vote for president, never mind delegating those electors as a state’s voters choose.

The second provision, article I, section 10, clause 3 of the US constitution, governs interstate compacts. The text authorizes states to form legally binding agreements governing their relationships to one another. The text requires states to gain the assent of Congress to enact a compact. But longstanding US supreme court precedent holds that states only require congressional approval for a compact if the agreement infringes on federal power. Supporters of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact argue that the delegation of electors is a state power, not a federal power.

A Pew Research Center poll from 2024 showed that 63% of Americans would replace the electoral college with a national popular vote for president, with 35% opposing change.

“We’ll continue our state-by-state work until the candidate who wins the most popular votes is elected president and every voter is treated equally in every presidential election,” said John Koza, chairman of National Popular Vote, an organization spearheading the legislation.


Stand Up America, which also advocates for a national popular vote, noted two out of the four US presidents of the 21st century – George W Bush in 2000 and Donald Trump in 2016 – lost the popular vote and won the White House nonetheless through the electoral college. Of the 60 presidential elections in US history, 10 others were near misses in which a small number of votes in a few states could have tipped the electoral college toward the candidate who lost the popular vote.
Just the latest election rigging tactic by the democrats. Millions of imported illegals didn’t get them enough votes to steal an election so they’re on to a new scheme.
 
The popular vote compact for selecting a President is one closer as VA passed the law that allows states to create a mechanism that will deactivate the Electoral College

This is provocative act will cause dissension as well as tension in each of the major parties.

“The presidency should be won by the candidate who receives the most votes nationwide – not just the right combination of battleground states,” said Christina Harvey, Stand Up America’s executive director. “This brings us one step closer to a system where Americans’ votes for president and vice-president count equally, no matter where they live.”

According to a column by George Chidi, in The Guardian, "A national majority vote for president is one step closer to reality after the Virginia governor, Abigail Spanberger, signed the national popular vote bill into law, joining an interstate compact with 17 other states and the District of Columbia.

Under the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, states would assign their presidential electors to the winner of the popular vote, regardless of the results within the state. The compact takes effect when states representing a majority of electoral votes – 270 of 538 – pass the legislation and thus would determine the winner of the presidential contest. With Virginia, the compact now has 222 electors.

Every state that has so far enacted the compact has Democratic electoral majorities, including California, New York and Illinois. But legislation has been introduced in enough states to reach the 270-elector threshold, including swing states like Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

The legislation relies on two provisions of the US constitution, which would face intense legal scrutiny if and when the compact comes into force. Article II, section 1 of the constitution authorizes each state to appoint electors “in such manner as the legislature thereof may direct”. The constitution does not require states to even have a vote for president, never mind delegating those electors as a state’s voters choose.

The second provision, article I, section 10, clause 3 of the US constitution, governs interstate compacts. The text authorizes states to form legally binding agreements governing their relationships to one another. The text requires states to gain the assent of Congress to enact a compact. But longstanding US supreme court precedent holds that states only require congressional approval for a compact if the agreement infringes on federal power. Supporters of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact argue that the delegation of electors is a state power, not a federal power.

A Pew Research Center poll from 2024 showed that 63% of Americans would replace the electoral college with a national popular vote for president, with 35% opposing change.

“We’ll continue our state-by-state work until the candidate who wins the most popular votes is elected president and every voter is treated equally in every presidential election,” said John Koza, chairman of National Popular Vote, an organization spearheading the legislation.


Stand Up America, which also advocates for a national popular vote, noted two out of the four US presidents of the 21st century – George W Bush in 2000 and Donald Trump in 2016 – lost the popular vote and won the White House nonetheless through the electoral college. Of the 60 presidential elections in US history, 10 others were near misses in which a small number of votes in a few states could have tipped the electoral college toward the candidate who lost the popular vote.
No thanks.
 
It most definitely is not, retard.
"No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."
(it's in Section 10)
The "Compact" is unConstitutional from the jump. Congress would have to vote to allow any states to join it if it was going to be constitutional.
It most certainly is.
 
If a state goes red but due to the compact, they have to award their votes to the dem candidate because they won the national popular vote, everyone in that state is disenfranchised.
No, they are defeated.
 
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