Popular vote to determine president may be law by 2031

[alang1216]

Irrelevant. An EC works regardless of demographics.

You're a bit condescending to rural folks, aren't you.

Not at all, I just don't think 20% of the population should decide for the other 80%.

 

[Robert W]

He won a popularity not a majority of the votes.

Same can happen to Democrats.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Correct, slavery no longer exists, so there isn't unfair representation from former slave states due to gaining extra votes based on a 3/5 formula of a non-voting populace. Everyone is counted equally now for apportionment.

And yet the strange EC was designed primarily for that reason, making it obsolete by your own words, in that respect.

I don't see how that was ever the case. We've had several bad presidents over the years.

None as freakish as Trump.

The arguments don't have to convince you. Many people are convinced by them, though.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Congress won't interfere.

/—-/ It’s not the job of the Congress, but of the USSC.

 

[SaxonJackson]

The popular vote compact for selecting a President is one closer as VA passed the law that allows states to create a mechanism that will deactivate the Electoral College

This is provocative act will cause dissension as well as tension in each of the major parties.

“The presidency should be won by the candidate who receives the most votes nationwide – not just the right combination of battleground states,” said Christina Harvey, Stand Up America’s executive director. “This brings us one step closer to a system where Americans’ votes for president and vice-president count equally, no matter where they live.”

According to a column by George Chidi, in The Guardian, "A national majority vote for president is one step closer to reality after the Virginia governor, Abigail Spanberger, signed the national popular vote bill into law, joining an interstate compact with 17 other states and the District of Columbia.

Under the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, states would assign their presidential electors to the winner of the popular vote, regardless of the results within the state. The compact takes effect when states representing a majority of electoral votes – 270 of 538 – pass the legislation and thus would determine the winner of the presidential contest. With Virginia, the compact now has 222 electors.

Every state that has so far enacted the compact has Democratic electoral majorities, including California, New York and Illinois. But legislation has been introduced in enough states to reach the 270-elector threshold, including swing states like Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

The legislation relies on two provisions of the US constitution, which would face intense legal scrutiny if and when the compact comes into force. Article II, section 1 of the constitution authorizes each state to appoint electors “in such manner as the legislature thereof may direct”. The constitution does not require states to even have a vote for president, never mind delegating those electors as a state’s voters choose.

The second provision, article I, section 10, clause 3 of the US constitution, governs interstate compacts. The text authorizes states to form legally binding agreements governing their relationships to one another. The text requires states to gain the assent of Congress to enact a compact. But longstanding US supreme court precedent holds that states only require congressional approval for a compact if the agreement infringes on federal power. Supporters of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact argue that the delegation of electors is a state power, not a federal power.

A Pew Research Center poll from 2024 showed that 63% of Americans would replace the electoral college with a national popular vote for president, with 35% opposing change.

“We’ll continue our state-by-state work until the candidate who wins the most popular votes is elected president and every voter is treated equally in every presidential election,” said John Koza, chairman of National Popular Vote, an organization spearheading the legislation.


Stand Up America, which also advocates for a national popular vote, noted two out of the four US presidents of the 21st century – George W Bush in 2000 and Donald Trump in 2016 – lost the popular vote and won the White House nonetheless through the electoral college. Of the 60 presidential elections in US history, 10 others were near misses in which a small number of votes in a few states could have tipped the electoral college toward the candidate who lost the popular vote.

I voted no.

Here's a popular vote in action:

The proposition on the table is whether tonight's meal should be lambchops or grass.

5 wolves voted to have lambchops.
1 lamb voted to have grass.

The wolves win.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I voted no.

Here's a popular vote in action:

The proposition on the table is whether tonight's meal should be lambchops or grass.

5 wolves voted to have lambchops.
1 lamb voted to have grass.

The wolves win.

4 wolves voted to have lambchops.

5 lambs voted no.

The wolves win. Thanks to the EC.

 

[jacksonlamb]

/—-/ It’s not the job of the Congress, but of the USSC.

It meets the law and the Constitution. USSC is not an issue.

 

[jacksonlamb]

so are your arguments

Nonsense.

 

[CowboyTed]

Not at all, I just don't think 20% of the population should decide for the other 80%.

That's simply how it works....

80% of the states are effectively not competive states.

This is about being represented

 

[norwegen]

Not at all, I just don't think 20% of the population should decide for the other 80%.

That's not how the EC works.

Get some help.

 

[norwegen]

The more populous states get more electors.

Easy. Moonbats are just stupid.

 

[Independent thinker]

The popular vote compact for selecting a President is one closer as VA passed the law that allows states to create a mechanism that will deactivate the Electoral College

This is provocative act will cause dissension as well as tension in each of the major parties.

“The presidency should be won by the candidate who receives the most votes nationwide – not just the right combination of battleground states,” said Christina Harvey, Stand Up America’s executive director. “This brings us one step closer to a system where Americans’ votes for president and vice-president count equally, no matter where they live.”

According to a column by George Chidi, in The Guardian, "A national majority vote for president is one step closer to reality after the Virginia governor, Abigail Spanberger, signed the national popular vote bill into law, joining an interstate compact with 17 other states and the District of Columbia.

Under the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, states would assign their presidential electors to the winner of the popular vote, regardless of the results within the state. The compact takes effect when states representing a majority of electoral votes – 270 of 538 – pass the legislation and thus would determine the winner of the presidential contest. With Virginia, the compact now has 222 electors.

Every state that has so far enacted the compact has Democratic electoral majorities, including California, New York and Illinois. But legislation has been introduced in enough states to reach the 270-elector threshold, including swing states like Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

The legislation relies on two provisions of the US constitution, which would face intense legal scrutiny if and when the compact comes into force. Article II, section 1 of the constitution authorizes each state to appoint electors “in such manner as the legislature thereof may direct”. The constitution does not require states to even have a vote for president, never mind delegating those electors as a state’s voters choose.

The second provision, article I, section 10, clause 3 of the US constitution, governs interstate compacts. The text authorizes states to form legally binding agreements governing their relationships to one another. The text requires states to gain the assent of Congress to enact a compact. But longstanding US supreme court precedent holds that states only require congressional approval for a compact if the agreement infringes on federal power. Supporters of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact argue that the delegation of electors is a state power, not a federal power.

A Pew Research Center poll from 2024 showed that 63% of Americans would replace the electoral college with a national popular vote for president, with 35% opposing change.

“We’ll continue our state-by-state work until the candidate who wins the most popular votes is elected president and every voter is treated equally in every presidential election,” said John Koza, chairman of National Popular Vote, an organization spearheading the legislation.


Stand Up America, which also advocates for a national popular vote, noted two out of the four US presidents of the 21st century – George W Bush in 2000 and Donald Trump in 2016 – lost the popular vote and won the White House nonetheless through the electoral college. Of the 60 presidential elections in US history, 10 others were near misses in which a small number of votes in a few states could have tipped the electoral college toward the candidate who lost the popular vote.

Yeah, be patient. It's right around the corner. Hey, I realize that all you guys have now is your fantasies.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

He won a popularity not a majority of the votes.

Trump won the majority of votes in more states with a total of more electoral votes.
The Corrupt and Racist Democrat Party wants to undermine our constitution.
And also Rank Choice voting is not democracy.