Popular vote to determine president may be law by 2031

Do you agree with The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 10.7%
  • No

    Votes: 25 89.3%

  • Total voters
    28
Dumb lefties and their 80% deciding for the 20% nonsense.

I guess they'd prefer a democracy where . . . you know, the 80% decides for the 20%.
 
It were certainly be in the right direction toward Communism. Libs will suggest how can that be, but libs are tarded, they generally can't see more than what little they're told.
 
It is easy to answer. It is constitutional.
It most definitely is not, retard.
"No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."
(it's in Section 10)
The "Compact" is unConstitutional from the jump. Congress would have to vote to allow any states to join it if it was going to be constitutional.
 
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It most definitely is not, retard.
"No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."
(it's in Section 10)
The "Compact" is unConstitutional from the jump. Congress would have to vote to allow any states to join it if it was going to be constitutional.
It can’t be Constitutional because it negates the electoral system our entire federal government is based on.
 
The popular vote compact for selecting a President is one closer as VA passed the law that allows states to create a mechanism that will deactivate the Electoral College

This is provocative act will cause dissension as well as tension in each of the major parties.

“The presidency should be won by the candidate who receives the most votes nationwide – not just the right combination of battleground states,” said Christina Harvey, Stand Up America’s executive director. “This brings us one step closer to a system where Americans’ votes for president and vice-president count equally, no matter where they live.”

According to a column by George Chidi, in The Guardian, "A national majority vote for president is one step closer to reality after the Virginia governor, Abigail Spanberger, signed the national popular vote bill into law, joining an interstate compact with 17 other states and the District of Columbia.

Under the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, states would assign their presidential electors to the winner of the popular vote, regardless of the results within the state. The compact takes effect when states representing a majority of electoral votes – 270 of 538 – pass the legislation and thus would determine the winner of the presidential contest. With Virginia, the compact now has 222 electors.

Every state that has so far enacted the compact has Democratic electoral majorities, including California, New York and Illinois. But legislation has been introduced in enough states to reach the 270-elector threshold, including swing states like Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

The legislation relies on two provisions of the US constitution, which would face intense legal scrutiny if and when the compact comes into force. Article II, section 1 of the constitution authorizes each state to appoint electors “in such manner as the legislature thereof may direct”. The constitution does not require states to even have a vote for president, never mind delegating those electors as a state’s voters choose.

The second provision, article I, section 10, clause 3 of the US constitution, governs interstate compacts. The text authorizes states to form legally binding agreements governing their relationships to one another. The text requires states to gain the assent of Congress to enact a compact. But longstanding US supreme court precedent holds that states only require congressional approval for a compact if the agreement infringes on federal power. Supporters of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact argue that the delegation of electors is a state power, not a federal power.

A Pew Research Center poll from 2024 showed that 63% of Americans would replace the electoral college with a national popular vote for president, with 35% opposing change.

“We’ll continue our state-by-state work until the candidate who wins the most popular votes is elected president and every voter is treated equally in every presidential election,” said John Koza, chairman of National Popular Vote, an organization spearheading the legislation.


Stand Up America, which also advocates for a national popular vote, noted two out of the four US presidents of the 21st century – George W Bush in 2000 and Donald Trump in 2016 – lost the popular vote and won the White House nonetheless through the electoral college. Of the 60 presidential elections in US history, 10 others were near misses in which a small number of votes in a few states could have tipped the electoral college toward the candidate who lost the popular vote.
You still haven't read the Constitution, have you.

Moron.
 
And yet the strange EC was designed primarily for that reason, making it obsolete by your own words, in that respect.
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The popular vote compact for selecting a President is one closer as VA passed the law that allows states to create a mechanism that will deactivate the Electoral College

This is provocative act will cause dissension as well as tension in each of the major parties.

“The presidency should be won by the candidate who receives the most votes nationwide – not just the right combination of battleground states,” said Christina Harvey, Stand Up America’s executive director. “This brings us one step closer to a system where Americans’ votes for president and vice-president count equally, no matter where they live.”

According to a column by George Chidi, in The Guardian, "A national majority vote for president is one step closer to reality after the Virginia governor, Abigail Spanberger, signed the national popular vote bill into law, joining an interstate compact with 17 other states and the District of Columbia.

Under the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, states would assign their presidential electors to the winner of the popular vote, regardless of the results within the state. The compact takes effect when states representing a majority of electoral votes – 270 of 538 – pass the legislation and thus would determine the winner of the presidential contest. With Virginia, the compact now has 222 electors.

Every state that has so far enacted the compact has Democratic electoral majorities, including California, New York and Illinois. But legislation has been introduced in enough states to reach the 270-elector threshold, including swing states like Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

The legislation relies on two provisions of the US constitution, which would face intense legal scrutiny if and when the compact comes into force. Article II, section 1 of the constitution authorizes each state to appoint electors “in such manner as the legislature thereof may direct”. The constitution does not require states to even have a vote for president, never mind delegating those electors as a state’s voters choose.

The second provision, article I, section 10, clause 3 of the US constitution, governs interstate compacts. The text authorizes states to form legally binding agreements governing their relationships to one another. The text requires states to gain the assent of Congress to enact a compact. But longstanding US supreme court precedent holds that states only require congressional approval for a compact if the agreement infringes on federal power. Supporters of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact argue that the delegation of electors is a state power, not a federal power.

A Pew Research Center poll from 2024 showed that 63% of Americans would replace the electoral college with a national popular vote for president, with 35% opposing change.

“We’ll continue our state-by-state work until the candidate who wins the most popular votes is elected president and every voter is treated equally in every presidential election,” said John Koza, chairman of National Popular Vote, an organization spearheading the legislation.


Stand Up America, which also advocates for a national popular vote, noted two out of the four US presidents of the 21st century – George W Bush in 2000 and Donald Trump in 2016 – lost the popular vote and won the White House nonetheless through the electoral college. Of the 60 presidential elections in US history, 10 others were near misses in which a small number of votes in a few states could have tipped the electoral college toward the candidate who lost the popular vote.

The compact is illegal. States cannot enter into compacts with each other unless approved by congress.

Also, lefty’s don’t want to go down this road l. Repubs control 28 state legislatures. That’s enough to get to 270. If you want to have a compact, then red states can just compact together to award their votes to the republicans candidates.
 
It is constitutional to the bone.

Article 1 section 10:

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
 
No, I do not agree with this idea; and to a sufficient point that I would be willing to take up arms against the States or even the Federal Government if it were to be instituted. Even if done in a Constitutional manner.
Yeah, can't have a system where the Republicans don't get an unfair advantage. You'd be willing to take up arms to keep it unfair.

What a surprise.
 
The compact is illegal. States cannot enter into compacts with each other unless approved by congress.

Also, lefty’s don’t want to go down this road l. Repubs control 28 state legislatures. That’s enough to get to 270. If you want to have a compact, then red states can just compact together to award their votes to the republicans candidates.
Another person who doesn't want democracy
 
The states use the popular vote - within their state - to determine EC assignments based on winner take all.

The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC) bases the outcome on the national popular vote. Not just the vote of state voters.

WW

And it disenfranchises the votes of millions of people.
 
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I've been working as a volunteer to get this done nationally for a few years. It's very gratifying to see we're getting closer to abolishing the antiquated anachronism that is the EC.

But you’re not…unless we had an amendment to the cotus nobody was aware of
 
Another person who doesn't want democracy

It doesn’t matter what I want, the cotus forbids compacts unless approved by congress


Plus, let’s just be real honest here…the ONLY reason the left wants this is because they think it will give them an advantage in every presidential election.

And I want a republic, as the cotus says we should be, democratically elected republican form of government.
 
AI Overview

Abolishing the Electoral College (EC) requires a constitutional amendment, passing with two-thirds support in both houses of Congress and ratification by three-fourths of states (38 states). An alternative pathway is the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC), a binding state-level agreement to award electoral votes to the national popular vote winner, which takes effect when states with 270 electoral votes join.

Get congress to approve compacts then you’ll have something…but then red states are going to compact together too then..
 
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