Poll: If you could send, a message back in time telling the people of Germany, not to let Hitler take away their guns, would you?

[surada]

Who voted “no” in the poll - and would NOT have warned Jews to hold onto their guns?

They were families and shopkeepers not warriors.

 

[surada]

Democrats want to take guns away from law abiding Americans, not violent criminals.

Like this guy.

N.C. man arrested for threatening to kill FBI agents, executing organization for defaming Trump, MAGA supporters

A North Carolina man was arrested for threatening to kill a Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) officer and vowing to execute members of a fact-checking organization if they didn’t cease and desist defamation and slander of ‘MAGA Republicans’ and former president Donald Trump.

www.wdbj7.com

 

[Woodznutz]

Democrats want to take guns away from law abiding Americans, not violent criminals.

Not all Democrats, just the Lefties.

 

[WorldWatcher]

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I had to vote no.

I'd have sent a message back to 1889 to the doctor/mid-wife that help birth him and told them to choke the little shit in his crib.

WW

 

[Lisa558]

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I had to vote no.

I'd have sent a message back to 1889 to the doctor/mid-wife that help birth him and told them to choke the little shit in his crib.

WW

If only….too bad the monster didn’t die of SIDS at age 4 months.

But here’s a thought: maybe another monster DID. We would never know.

That said, my heart goes out for real to all parents who were robbed of a precious baby, and to all innocent babies robbed of having a life.

 

[2aguy]

If we give the government the power to take away our guns, there will be another holocaust.

I would also send them video of the death camps......they would need to know that, in detail, since even today, anti-gun fanatics, who have grown up with the knowledge of government mass murder.....(15 million innocent men, women and children murdered in just 6 years...not war dead, not collateral war dead.......innocent people rounded up and murdered by their governments under the control of the German socialists.......) have forgotten.......and seem to not care that it actually happened or that it could very easily happen again.

 

[2aguy]

Hitler never took away their guns. In fact, the Nazis REPEALLED the Weimar era gun laws.

And this funny thing happened. Not a single German rushed out to stop the SS from rounding up the Jews. Nor did they form mass groups against the Nazis. Nope, they took those guns they were allowed to keep and they formed "Volksgrenadier" brigades made up of old men and little boys to fight to the last man for their Fuhrer.

Conversely, when the US started rounding up Japanese-Americans in 1942, not a single American rushed out with their guns and opposed it.

That is a lie....

The socialists took guns away from the civilian groups they planned on murdering, Jews, and other problem groups to their power....you liar.

By the time the SS were rounding up Jews, the population was disarmed and understood that the socialists in power would protect the brown shirts in the streets......using the police to protect them as they targeted anyone who said anything...just like blm and antifa today.

 

[2aguy]

Um, probably wouldn't have done any good.

Hey, Goldstein has a gun and the SS has a tank. Um... yeah, Tank beats gun.

Lets leave aside that most of the Jews of Germany and Austria survived the war, because they either fled the country before the war started or they were considered just German enough to not be killed. So 75% of the pre-war German and Austrian Jews survived.

Most of the ones who did get killed were from countries that the Germans defeated (especially Poland) or countries that allied with Germany that were happy to rid themselves of their Jewish populations (Like Hungary and Romania).

No....moron....

The socialist brown shirts are beating up people in the neighborhood.....the people show up with their guns and shoot the brown shirts......the socialist attempts to intimidate normal people into remaining silent as they build their power fails.......

You don't stop them after the guns are taken, you never allow them to take the guns in the first place....and when the blm/antifa.....errrrrr.... I mean the socialist brown shirts, come to your home or your business and you shoot them.....they don't try the same tactics against your neighbors...

When the blm/antifa........I mean, socialist brown shirts are allowed to drag you out of your home, and beat the living crap out of you, while the local police stand by or assist them.......then you get the socialists taking political power and implementing mass murder...

You stop them with your guns when they are street thugs....which is when you need the guns the most....you idiot

 

[JoeB131]

If only….too bad the monster didn’t die of SIDS at age 4 months.

But here’s a thought: maybe another monster DID. We would never know.

That said, my heart goes out for real to all parents who were robbed of a precious baby, and to all innocent babies robbed of having a life.

If Hitler had died of SIDS, someone else would have taken his place. World War II and the Holocaust were the inevitable result of history.

 

[JoeB131]

No....moron....

The socialist brown shirts are beating up people in the neighborhood.....the people show up with their guns and shoot the brown shirts......the socialist attempts to intimidate normal people into remaining silent as they build their power fails.......

You don't stop them after the guns are taken, you never allow them to take the guns in the first place....and when the blm/antifa.....errrrrr.... I mean the socialist brown shirts, come to your home or your business and you shoot them.....they don't try the same tactics against your neighbors...

I think you are a tad confused.

The government rounded up 110,000 Japanese-Americans in 1942. Not one freedom loving neighbor with a gun stepped up to stop them.

Having guns doesn't prevent government overreach.

Now, since you brought up the example, the fact was that Kristalnacht was a big black eye for the Nazis... it brought local and international condemnation.

Kristallnacht - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

As it was aware that the German public did not support the Kristallnacht, the propaganda ministry directed the German press to portray opponents of racial persecution as disloyal.[66] The press was also under orders to downplay the Kristallnacht, describing general events at the local level only, with prohibition against depictions of individual events.[67] In 1939 this was extended to a prohibition on reporting any anti-Jewish measures.[68]

The U.S. ambassador to Germany reported:

In view of this being a totalitarian state a surprising characteristic of the situation here is the intensity and scope among German citizens of condemnation of the recent happenings against Jews.[69]

To the consternation of the Nazis, the Kristallnacht affected public opinion counter to their desires, the peak of opposition against the Nazi racial policies was reached just then, when according to almost all accounts the vast majority of Germans rejected the violence perpetrated against the Jews.[70] Verbal complaints grew rapidly in numbers, and for example, the Düsseldorf branch of the Gestapo reported a sharp decline in anti-Semitic attitudes among the population.[71]

 

[Hollie]

If Hitler had died of SIDS, someone else would have taken his place. World War II and the Holocaust were the inevitable result of history.

What nonsense.

Another instance of claiming 100% certainty with 0% facts.

 

[Lisa558]

What nonsense.

Another instance of claiming 100% certainty with 0% facts.

He’s a Democrat - and virrulently antisemitic.

 

[JoeB131]

What nonsense.

Another instance of claiming 100% certainty with 0% facts.

Not at all. The problem you guys have is you think Hitler was the prime driver of what Germany did, not that he was the end result of history. The point is, Hitler said, "Let's avenge World War I" and most Germans were pretty good with that. He said, "Let's get rid of the Jews" and most of Europe was perfectly fine with that because they had 2000 years of their churches telling them the Jews killed their God-man. Take Hitler out of the equation, and some other person leads a similiar movement that does the same thing.

Maybe someone who is more competent. Maybe someone who didn't think he was smarter than his generals.

Which is why as much as I am horrified at Trump, I see him as a symptom, not the disease. He's the result of 60 years of White Grievance Politics practiced by the Republican Party.

He’s a Democrat - and virrulently antisemitic.

Yes, because anyone who questions your messed up superstitions and actions is anti-Semitic.

Um, so I was so anti-Semitic, I actually voted for a Jew to be my state's governor. (Mostly because he was better than the alternative.)

 

[Hollie]

Not at all. The problem you guys have is you think Hitler was the prime driver of what Germany did, not that he was the end result of history. The point is, Hitler said, "Let's avenge World War I" and most Germans were pretty good with that. He said, "Let's get rid of the Jews" and most of Europe was perfectly fine with that because they had 2000 years of their churches telling them the Jews killed their God-man. Take Hitler out of the equation, and some other person leads a similiar movement that does the same thing.

Maybe someone who is more competent. Maybe someone who didn't think he was smarter than his generals.

Which is why as much as I am horrified at Trump, I see him as a symptom, not the disease. He's the result of 60 years of White Grievance Politics practiced by the Republican Party.


Yes, because anyone who questions your messed up superstitions and actions is anti-Semitic.

Um, so I was so anti-Semitic, I actually voted for a Jew to be my state's governor. (Mostly because he was better than the alternative.)

I think it's hilarious that you retroactively write history and insist your, ''....because I say so", commandments are anything more than the musings of a far left evtremist.

Are you surprised that no one else is surprised you launched into another of your TDS-inspired tirades?

 

[JoeB131]

I think it's hilarious that you retroactively write history and insist your, ''....because I say so", commandments are anything more than the musings of a far left evtremist.

Well, no, you see, this funny thing is I have a degree in history from a real university. I also have family who lived in Germany from the Period of 1918 to 1945.

The Nazis were just one of MANY Right Wing parties that railed against the Versailles Treaty and Germany's treatment after World War I.

Are you surprised that no one else is surprised you launched into another of your TDS-inspired tirades?

I'm not surprised the point went right over your head.

 

[2aguy]

Well, no, you see, this funny thing is I have a degree in history from a real university. I also have family who lived in Germany from the Period of 1918 to 1945.

The Nazis were just one of MANY Right Wing parties that railed against the Versailles Treaty and Germany's treatment after World War I.



I'm not surprised the point went right over your head.

The nazis aren't Right wing, you idiot.....they are just one of the two socialist groups in Germany that brought that country down.

 

[Hollie]

Well, no, you see, this funny thing is I have a degree in history from a real university. I also have family who lived in Germany from the Period of 1918 to 1945.

The Nazis were just one of MANY Right Wing parties that railed against the Versailles Treaty and Germany's treatment after World War I.



I'm not surprised the point went right over your head.

I wasn't aware that someone's claim to have a history degree applied the credentials to retroactively invent history.

I would think you might want to invent a version of history where Hitler was inspired by Trump. In the upside down world of the far leftist, just make it up as you go.

 

[JoeB131]

The nazis aren't Right wing, you idiot.....they are just one of the two socialist groups in Germany that brought that country down.

Um, yeah, they were... The Nazis didn't practice anything NEAR socialism, it was the NATIONALISM that was the problem with the Nazis. The same kind of crazy nationalism that motivates the MAGA movement.

 

[Hollie]

Um, yeah, they were... The Nazis didn't practice anything NEAR socialism, it was the NATIONALISM that was the problem with the Nazis. The same kind of crazy nationalism that motivates the MAGA movement.

TDS.

Seek help.

 

[2aguy]

Um, yeah, they were... The Nazis didn't practice anything NEAR socialism, it was the NATIONALISM that was the problem with the Nazis. The same kind of crazy nationalism that motivates the MAGA movement.

The democrats practiced socialism completely.........the government controlled every aspect of the economy....

Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

One of the main reasons why the socialist character of National Socialism has been quite generally unrecognized, is, no doubt, its alliance with the nationalist groups which represent the great industries and the great landowners. But this merely proves that these groups too -as they have since learnt to their bitter disappointment -have, at least partly, been mistaken as to the nature of the movement. But only partly because -and this is the most characteristic feature of modern Germany – many capitalists are themselves strongly influenced by socialistic ideas, and have not sufficient belief in capitalism to defend it with a clear conscience. But, in spite of this, the German entrepreneur class have manifested almost incredible short-sightedness in allying themselves with a move movement of whose strong anti-capitalistic tendencies there should never have been any doubt.

A careful observer must always have been aware that the opposition of the Nazis to the established socialist parties, which gained them the sympathy of the entrepreneur, was only to a very small extend directed against their economic policy. What the Nazis mainly objected to was their internationalism and all the aspects of their cultural programme which were still influenced by liberal ideas. But the accusations against the social-democrats and the communists which were most effective in their propaganda were not so much directed against their programme as against their supposed practice -their corruption and nepotism, and even their alleged alliance with “the golden International of Jewish Capitalism.”

It would, indeed, hardly have been possible for the Nationalists to advance fundamental objections to the economic policy of the other socialist parties when their own published programme differed from these only in that its socialism was much cruder and less rational. The famous 25 points drawn up by Herr Feder,[2] one of Hitler’s early allies, repeatedly endorsed by Hitler and recognized by the by-laws of the National-Socialist party as the immutable basis of all its actions, which together with an extensive commentary is circulating throughout Germany in many hundreds of thousands of copies, is full of ideas resembling those of the early socialists. But the dominant feature is a fierce hatred of anything capitalistic -individualistic profit seeking, large scale enterprise, banks, joint-stock companies, department stores, “international finance and loan capital,” the system of “interest slavery” in general; the abolition of these is described as the “[indecipherable] of the programme, around which everything else turns.” It was to this programme that the masses of the German people, who were already completely under the influence of collectivist ideas, responded so enthusiastically.

That this violent anti-capitalistic attack is genuine – and not a mere piece of propaganda – becomes as clear from the personal history of the intellectual leaders of the movement as from the general milieu from which it springs. It is not even denied that man of the young men who today play a prominent part in it have previously been communists or socialists. And to any observer of the literary tendencies which made the Germans intelligentsia ready to join the ranks of the new party, it must be clear that the common characteristic of all the politically influential writers – in many cases free from definite party affiliations – was their anti-liberal and anti-capitalist trend. Groups like that formed around the review “Die Tat” have made the phrase “the end of capitalism” an accepted dogma to most young Germans.[3]

And more...

The Myth of "Nazi Capitalism" | Chris Calton

German socialism, as Mises defines it, differs from what he called “socialism of the Russian pattern” in that “it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production, entrepreneurship, and market exchange.” However, this is only a superficial system of private ownership because through a complete system of economic intervention and control, the entrepreneurial function of the property owners is completely controlled by the State. By this, Mises means that shop owners do not speculate about future events for the purpose of allocating resources in the pursuit of profits. Just like in the Soviet Union, this entrepreneurial speculation and resource allocation is done by a single entity, the State, and economic calculation is thus impossible.

“In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer.

The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living.

The authority, not the consumers, directs production.


The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”
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Nazis Were Not Marxists, but They Were Socialists | Jörg Guido Hülsmann

Nazis and marx..

Read A Pile Of Top Nazis Talking About How They Love Leftist Marxism

The Nazis were leftists. This statement is blasphemy to the academic-media complex, since everyone knows the Nazis were degenerate right-wingers fueled by toxic capitalism and racism. But evidence Adolf Hitler’s gang were men of the left, while debatable, is compelling.
The dispute on Nazi origins resurfaced through the confluence of brawling alt-right and antifa fringe movements and recent alternative histories by Dinesh D’Souza and others. The vitriol and lack of candor it produces from supposedly fact-driven academics and media is disturbing, if unsurprising. They stifle dissent on touchy subjects to maintain their narrative and enforce cultural hegemony.

However uncomfortable to opinion shapers, alternative views of the Third Reich exist and were written by the finest minds of their time. Opinions from the period perhaps carry more weight because they are unburdened by the aftermath of the uniquely heinous Nazi crimes.
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Also, Adolf Hitler Loved Karl Marx
It wasn’t only theoretical. Hitler repeatedly praised Marx privately, stating he had “learned a great deal from Marxism.” The trouble with the Weimar Republic, he said, was that its politicians “had never even read Marx.” He also stated his differences with communists were that they were intellectual types passing out pamphlets, whereas “I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun.”

It wasn’t just privately that Hitler’s fealty for Marx surfaced. In “Mein Kampf,” he states that without his racial insights National Socialism “would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground.” Nor did Hitler eschew this sentiment once reaching power. As late as 1941, with the war in bloom, he stated “basically National Socialism and Marxism are the same” in a speech published by the Royal Institute of International Affairs.

Nazi propaganda minister and resident intellectual Joseph Goebbels wrote in his diary that the Nazis would install “real socialism” after Russia’s defeat in the East. And Hitler favorite Albert Speer, the Nazi armaments minister whose memoir became an international bestseller, wrote that Hitler viewed Joseph Stalin as a kindred spirit, ensuring his prisoner of war son received good treatment, and even talked of keeping Stalin in power in a puppet government after Germany’s eventual triumph. His views on Great Britain’s Winston Churchill and the United States’s Franklin Delano Roosevelt were decidedly less kind.

Nazi and Communist Hatred of Each Other Was Brotherly
Despite this, there’s a persistent claim that Nazis and communists hated each other, and mention that the Nazis persecuted socialists and oppressed trade unions. These things are true, but prove little. The camps’ hatred stemmed from familiarity. It was internecine, the nastiest kind.

The Nazis and communists were not only in a struggle for street-war supremacy, but also recruits. These recruits were easily turned, because both sides were fighting for the same men. Hayek recalls