Police shot and killed girl. No liberal outrage. She was white.

[whitehall]

So far in 2019, 66 Police Officers died in he line of duty in the U.S. to ensure the Constitutional right of Americans to question their behavior. Out of respect to fallen Officers please don't assume that the Officer in question is guilty.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

How is it murder?

It was straight up premeditated murder because the woman was not pointing a gun as claimed, the woman was way on the far side of the truck and not even looking his way.
He had the truck between them, and was in no danger at all.
His shots were totally unwarranted, his actions after were insane, yelling at her to roll over, etc.

Why was the gun laying on the road? how did it get there?

It does not matter if there is a BB gun in the road.
The cop could have put it there or it could have been a discarded toy.
Its still murder because he should not have shot, was not in danger because they were too far apart and there was a truck between them, and it was premeditated murder because hand cuffing a person who is injured almost assures a quick death.

Have you been trained as a law enforcement officer?
1. the gun looks real she pointed it at the officer
2. Police officers are trained to handcuff an assailant even when they are down and have been injured

How is it murder?

He gets out of the car and shoots and unarmed girl without a word? What other term can be used? He executed her for hitting his car, which isn't even his....

I see a gun in her hands pointing it at the officer.

No you don't.
Could have been anything in her hands.
The point is he could easily see her through the windows, ahead of time.

Dude there is a gun in her hands and the same gun is dropped when she's shot

You can't tell if it is a gun or not in the video and after the fact, it was verified as not being a gun.
The cop was in no danger because he not only was over 20' from her, but he had to have seen her ahead of time through the windows, and it was he who deliberately left the safety of being behind the vehicle and attacked her.
Clearly the audio was deliberately cut to remove this swearing and or threats.
She looks terrified.
She did nothing illegal or wrong.
The cop obviously committed premeditated murder.

You're delusional you can tell it's a gun. I can tell that it's a gun.... OH that's right leftist have a hard time identifying guns.
It was verified as a replica gun.
OMG you're making a judgement call without even having any training in law enforcement.
What is your qualifications to make such a call?
Dude a car tried to ram his car and a woman points a gun at him case closed

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Why was the gun laying on the road? how did it get there?

It does not matter if there is a BB gun in the road.
The cop could have put it there or it could have been a discarded toy.
Its still murder because he should not have shot, was not in danger because they were too far apart and there was a truck between them, and it was premeditated murder because hand cuffing a person who is injured almost assures a quick death.

Have you been trained as a law enforcement officer?
1. the gun looks real she pointed it at the officer
2. Police officers are trained to handcuff an assailant even when they are down and have been injured

I see a gun in her hands pointing it at the officer.

No you don't.
Could have been anything in her hands.
The point is he could easily see her through the windows, ahead of time.

Dude there is a gun in her hands and the same gun is dropped when she's shot

She never pointed anything at him. The replica gun was a drop piece the cop had in his car.

5:06 in the video you can clearly see a gun laying on the ground. 417 is code for gun you will see the gun laying on the white line in the road 5 feet from the front passenger side of the woman's car.

I am not going to watch that mess again, but before you said that gun was near the center line.
Now you are saying it is closer to the passenger side.
Hardly matters, because the women was directly behind the vehicle, so a gun could not have fallen either way, but straight down instead. And the cop could easily have tossed a fake gun where ever he wanted.
Why else would he have gone back to his car and wasted all that time?

You're not going to watch it because you want to feel self-righteous and don't want to see the truth.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Have you been trained as a law enforcement officer?
1. the gun looks real she pointed it at the officer
2. Police officers are trained to handcuff an assailant even when they are down and have been injured
Dude there is a gun in her hands and the same gun is dropped when she's shot

She never pointed anything at him. The replica gun was a drop piece the cop had in his car.

5:06 in the video you can clearly see a gun laying on the ground. 417 is code for gun you will see the gun laying on the white line in the road 5 feet from the front passenger side of the woman's car.

He yells the code, but there is no gun, clearly visible or otherwise. He is providing cover for the plant.

Why did he get out and shoot her to start with? Other than she hit his car?

LET'S BACK UP
The officer called in about the wreck and the woman trying to intentionally hit him. the first sign of aggression
next he gets out of his vehicle and sees the woman exiting her vehicle moving to the front. (frame 4:30 there is nothing laying on the road)
No shots are fired at this time. It wasn't until she turned facing him with her arms in a shooting position with the gun in her hands the officer shoot's he returns to his patrol car at this time you can see a gun laying on the road starting at 5:05 it can be seen laying on the white line in the center of the roadway in front of the womans car and left front of the officers car
tHE OFFICER NEVER APPROACHED THAT SPOT TO DROP A GUN.

The first sign of aggression is the cop lying and claiming she intentionally hit him, when he can't possibly be telling the truth at that point.
.

When you start being truthful I'll have a discussion with you but right now I'm telling you the facts
At Frame 4:33 you can see there is no gun on the ground
When the officer moves from the back of the vehicle and moves back to his patrol car at frame 4:46 on the white line in the front of the woman vehicle you can see the gun on the road. You can also see damage to the womans front quarter panel passanger side.

 

[Rigby5]

So far in 2019, 66 Police Officers died in he line of duty in the U.S. to ensure the Constitutional right of Americans to question their behavior. Out of respect to fallen Officers please don't assume that the Officer in question is guilty.

That makes no sense.
First of all, police have a moderate job and not one that is exceptionally dangerous.
Most of the police deaths are from traffic, not someone trying to kill them.
Almost no one would ever deliberately attack a police officer.
One of the most dangerous jobs is a cab driver.
{...
NIOSH reports that taxi drivers face a greater risk of injury or homicide on the job than those working in law enforcement and security. They are also victim to more non-fatal assaults (184 per 1,000cabbies) than any other occupation with the exception of police (306 per 1,000) and private security guards (218 per 1,000).
...}
Taxi Drivers: Years of Living Dangerously
So should we respect taxi drivers no matter what they do, out of respect for their fallen numbers?

Fact the facts that police almost always cause any danger they face.
For example, if they were not illegally conducting a War on Drugs and illegally abusing no-knock warrants, being a cop could be much safer and MUCH more ethical. They could be helping society much more than they do now, where they likely do more harm than good.

The point being that this woman did not have to die.
The cop was not at risk since he had the truck between them.
He did not have to aggressively come out from behind cover and shoot her.
He likely did so because he was angry at her and deliberately wanted to harm her.
You can tell not only from the missing audio and his actions, but the fact he handcuffed her as she was dying, and greatly accelerated her death.
It is well known that handcuffing people with their hands behind their back makes breathing much more difficult. And that makes it deliberate premeditated murder.

 

[Rigby5]

It was straight up premeditated murder because the woman was not pointing a gun as claimed, the woman was way on the far side of the truck and not even looking his way.
He had the truck between them, and was in no danger at all.
His shots were totally unwarranted, his actions after were insane, yelling at her to roll over, etc.

Why was the gun laying on the road? how did it get there?

It does not matter if there is a BB gun in the road.
The cop could have put it there or it could have been a discarded toy.
Its still murder because he should not have shot, was not in danger because they were too far apart and there was a truck between them, and it was premeditated murder because hand cuffing a person who is injured almost assures a quick death.

Have you been trained as a law enforcement officer?
1. the gun looks real she pointed it at the officer
2. Police officers are trained to handcuff an assailant even when they are down and have been injured

He gets out of the car and shoots and unarmed girl without a word? What other term can be used? He executed her for hitting his car, which isn't even his....

I see a gun in her hands pointing it at the officer.

No you don't.
Could have been anything in her hands.
The point is he could easily see her through the windows, ahead of time.

Dude there is a gun in her hands and the same gun is dropped when she's shot

You can't tell if it is a gun or not in the video and after the fact, it was verified as not being a gun.
The cop was in no danger because he not only was over 20' from her, but he had to have seen her ahead of time through the windows, and it was he who deliberately left the safety of being behind the vehicle and attacked her.
Clearly the audio was deliberately cut to remove this swearing and or threats.
She looks terrified.
She did nothing illegal or wrong.
The cop obviously committed premeditated murder.

You're delusional you can tell it's a gun. I can tell that it's a gun.... OH that's right leftist have a hard time identifying guns.
It was verified as a replica gun.
OMG you're making a judgement call without even having any training in law enforcement.
What is your qualifications to make such a call?
Dude a car tried to ram his car and a woman points a gun at him case closed

You can't tell it was a gun or not because it was NOT a gun.
If law enforcement were not illegally trained by federal military personnel, then they would not commit shooting crimes like this.
They did not used to 30 years ago.
Police have gotten progressively much worse.
It used to be that police wanted you do get out of your car, so everyone could be safer.
Not they threaten to shoot you if you get out of your car.
But being in your car is the most dangerous condition for everyone, so clearly current police at totally and absolutely incompetent.
Their training is the worst it has ever been.

And NO, there is no evidence that she tried to ram anyone.
That is the whole point.
His initial accusation that she did it intentionally, is totally and completely insane.
There is absolutely NO basis for that at all.
It essentially is an admission of guilt for everything after that, as being a violent rage on the part of the cop.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So far in 2019, 66 Police Officers died in he line of duty in the U.S. to ensure the Constitutional right of Americans to question their behavior. Out of respect to fallen Officers please don't assume that the Officer in question is guilty.

That makes no sense.
First of all, police have a moderate job and not one that is exceptionally dangerous.
Most of the police deaths are from traffic, not someone trying to kill them.
Almost no one would ever deliberately attack a police officer.
One of the most dangerous jobs is a cab driver.
{...
NIOSH reports that taxi drivers face a greater risk of injury or homicide on the job than those working in law enforcement and security. They are also victim to more non-fatal assaults (184 per 1,000cabbies) than any other occupation with the exception of police (306 per 1,000) and private security guards (218 per 1,000).
...}
Taxi Drivers: Years of Living Dangerously
So should we respect taxi drivers no matter what they do, out of respect for their fallen numbers?

Fact the facts that police almost always cause any danger they face.
For example, if they were not illegally conducting a War on Drugs and illegally abusing no-knock warrants, being a cop could be much safer and MUCH more ethical. They could be helping society much more than they do now, where they likely do more harm than good.

The point being that this woman did not have to die.
The cop was not at risk since he had the truck between them.
He did not have to aggressively come out from behind cover and shoot her.
He likely did so because he was angry at her and deliberately wanted to harm her.
You can tell not only from the missing audio and his actions, but the fact he handcuffed her as she was dying, and greatly accelerated her death.
It is well known that handcuffing people with their hands behind their back makes breathing much more difficult. And that makes it deliberate premeditated murder.

Only in your opinion.

Police do what they are trained to do. Cops don't hide behind cars. You watch too many 70's movies. Police put themselves in the line of fire to show authority. It's what they are supposed to do.

If you pull out a gun on a cop, then yes, you chance being killed. It's not that hard of a concept for citizens to follow. It's also not hard to follow the orders of a police officer so that nobody does get killed.

 

[Rigby5]

It does not matter if there is a BB gun in the road.
The cop could have put it there or it could have been a discarded toy.
Its still murder because he should not have shot, was not in danger because they were too far apart and there was a truck between them, and it was premeditated murder because hand cuffing a person who is injured almost assures a quick death.

Have you been trained as a law enforcement officer?
1. the gun looks real she pointed it at the officer
2. Police officers are trained to handcuff an assailant even when they are down and have been injured

No you don't.
Could have been anything in her hands.
The point is he could easily see her through the windows, ahead of time.

Dude there is a gun in her hands and the same gun is dropped when she's shot

She never pointed anything at him. The replica gun was a drop piece the cop had in his car.

5:06 in the video you can clearly see a gun laying on the ground. 417 is code for gun you will see the gun laying on the white line in the road 5 feet from the front passenger side of the woman's car.

I am not going to watch that mess again, but before you said that gun was near the center line.
Now you are saying it is closer to the passenger side.
Hardly matters, because the women was directly behind the vehicle, so a gun could not have fallen either way, but straight down instead. And the cop could easily have tossed a fake gun where ever he wanted.
Why else would he have gone back to his car and wasted all that time?

You're not going to watch it because you want to feel self-righteous and don't want to see the truth.

Good point.
I should see it again, looking specifically for the points you mentioned.
But not tonight.
I am WAY too upset seeing it the first time.
I might be wrong though, so have to be sure.
Tomorrow.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

A 17-year-old girl killed by a Fullerton police officer last week appears to have been pointing a replica handgun at the officer when she was shot, according to body camera footage released by the Police Department on Friday.

The graphic 15-minute video, which also features emergency radio transmissions and statements from Fullerton police officials, provides the most complete account yet of the events leading up to the shooting of Hannah Williams along the 91 Freeway in Anaheim.

The on-duty K-9 officer was driving east on the 91 Freeway when he noticed an SUV speeding past him shortly after 7 p.m., according to a videotaped statement by Fullerton Police Lt. Jon Radus introducing the footage.

As the officer attempts to stop the vehicle for a possible speeding violation, it appears to intentionally collide with his patrol car before making an abrupt U-turn into oncoming traffic and coming to a stop facing the wrong way, Radus said.

When the officer approached the driver’s side door, Williams exited and pointed the replica gun at him, Radus said. She can be seen in the video walking toward the officer with her arms outstretched.

The officer opened fire, striking her. The video shows a still-conscious Williams crying out for help as the officer and a responding LAPD officer handcuff her and provide medical aid.

Body camera video appears to show 17-year-old pointing replica gun at officer before she is shot, police say

What we have here is almost an exact replica of a case in my city with a boy named Tamir Rice. In this case, an officer was confronted by a girl with a toy gun which the officer had no way of knowing, and did what he had to do which is protect his life.

There are several differences between the Rice case and this one. First and most importantly, the liberal media has not expressed outrage in this shooting. Two, you had to dig for this story to find it. Three, they were both minors, but this girl was five years older than Tamir.

A USMB member told me that if Tamir had been white, the officer would have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law; that the officer should have known it was a toy and waited until he was shot at first before defending his life.

Not to worry though, because this is a white girl, this story will die this evening. It won't be like the year long constant reporting by the MSM like what happened in the Rice case. They likely won't investigate the life history of this officer like in the Rice case, and the city won't give the parents of this mentally challenged girl 5 million dollars because she was white and they need to buy votes.

Mod note: Edited Title and OP to remove call-outs...

Of course not. Of course there is no left-wing outrage. Left-wingers are inherently evil scum. They don't give a crap about anyone. They murder babies. The only thing they care about is gaining power, and if they can't use a death to gain power, then they do not give flying rats ass about people dying.

Their reactions never surprise me. When it's a choice between being against the good guy or for the good guy, they always side against the good guy. Choosing evil over good is a trait of a leftist.

 

[Rigby5]

So far in 2019, 66 Police Officers died in he line of duty in the U.S. to ensure the Constitutional right of Americans to question their behavior. Out of respect to fallen Officers please don't assume that the Officer in question is guilty.

That makes no sense.
First of all, police have a moderate job and not one that is exceptionally dangerous.
Most of the police deaths are from traffic, not someone trying to kill them.
Almost no one would ever deliberately attack a police officer.
One of the most dangerous jobs is a cab driver.
{...
NIOSH reports that taxi drivers face a greater risk of injury or homicide on the job than those working in law enforcement and security. They are also victim to more non-fatal assaults (184 per 1,000cabbies) than any other occupation with the exception of police (306 per 1,000) and private security guards (218 per 1,000).
...}
Taxi Drivers: Years of Living Dangerously
So should we respect taxi drivers no matter what they do, out of respect for their fallen numbers?

Fact the facts that police almost always cause any danger they face.
For example, if they were not illegally conducting a War on Drugs and illegally abusing no-knock warrants, being a cop could be much safer and MUCH more ethical. They could be helping society much more than they do now, where they likely do more harm than good.

The point being that this woman did not have to die.
The cop was not at risk since he had the truck between them.
He did not have to aggressively come out from behind cover and shoot her.
He likely did so because he was angry at her and deliberately wanted to harm her.
You can tell not only from the missing audio and his actions, but the fact he handcuffed her as she was dying, and greatly accelerated her death.
It is well known that handcuffing people with their hands behind their back makes breathing much more difficult. And that makes it deliberate premeditated murder.

Only in your opinion.

Police do what they are trained to do. Cops don't hide behind cars. You watch too many 70's movies. Police put themselves in the line of fire to show authority. It's what they are supposed to do.

If you pull out a gun on a cop, then yes, you chance being killed. It's not that hard of a concept for citizens to follow. It's also not hard to follow the orders of a police officer so that nobody does get killed.

Cops are SUPPOSED to be trained to hide behind cars.
That is EXACTLY what they were always trained to do in the past.
That was back when firing a single shot could get them in trouble, and now they blast off a whole magazine without repercussion, even though that clearly is illegal.

Police are not authorized to give illegal orders, like Philip Brailsford, who killed Daniel Shaver at La Quinta hotel in Mesa, Arizona. Clearly that cop was totally guilty of deliberately murdering an unarmed man that he had order to crawl toward him on the floor. He shot him 8 times when the crawling made his pants fall down and he tried to pull them back up.
But Phil Brailsford not only got off, but the police rehired him recently, so that he could get a life time pension. Too bad Daniel Shaver is not going get any pension, and he never harmed anyone or broke any law.

 

[Rigby5]

A 17-year-old girl killed by a Fullerton police officer last week appears to have been pointing a replica handgun at the officer when she was shot, according to body camera footage released by the Police Department on Friday.

The graphic 15-minute video, which also features emergency radio transmissions and statements from Fullerton police officials, provides the most complete account yet of the events leading up to the shooting of Hannah Williams along the 91 Freeway in Anaheim.

The on-duty K-9 officer was driving east on the 91 Freeway when he noticed an SUV speeding past him shortly after 7 p.m., according to a videotaped statement by Fullerton Police Lt. Jon Radus introducing the footage.

As the officer attempts to stop the vehicle for a possible speeding violation, it appears to intentionally collide with his patrol car before making an abrupt U-turn into oncoming traffic and coming to a stop facing the wrong way, Radus said.

When the officer approached the driver’s side door, Williams exited and pointed the replica gun at him, Radus said. She can be seen in the video walking toward the officer with her arms outstretched.

The officer opened fire, striking her. The video shows a still-conscious Williams crying out for help as the officer and a responding LAPD officer handcuff her and provide medical aid.

Body camera video appears to show 17-year-old pointing replica gun at officer before she is shot, police say

What we have here is almost an exact replica of a case in my city with a boy named Tamir Rice. In this case, an officer was confronted by a girl with a toy gun which the officer had no way of knowing, and did what he had to do which is protect his life.

There are several differences between the Rice case and this one. First and most importantly, the liberal media has not expressed outrage in this shooting. Two, you had to dig for this story to find it. Three, they were both minors, but this girl was five years older than Tamir.

A USMB member told me that if Tamir had been white, the officer would have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law; that the officer should have known it was a toy and waited until he was shot at first before defending his life.

Not to worry though, because this is a white girl, this story will die this evening. It won't be like the year long constant reporting by the MSM like what happened in the Rice case. They likely won't investigate the life history of this officer like in the Rice case, and the city won't give the parents of this mentally challenged girl 5 million dollars because she was white and they need to buy votes.

Mod note: Edited Title and OP to remove call-outs...

Of course not. Of course there is no left-wing outrage. Left-wingers are inherently evil scum. They don't give a crap about anyone. They murder babies. The only thing they care about is gaining power, and if they can't use a death to gain power, then they do not give flying rats ass about people dying.

Their reactions never surprise me. When it's a choice between being against the good guy or for the good guy, they always side against the good guy. Choosing evil over good is a trait of a leftist.

The good guys in a democratic republic are the population that wants freedom.
The bad guys are always those paid to take away freedom, and it is always the Gestapo, Stazi, Savik, KGB, or some name for those who work for money and are willing to harm anyone they are told to harm.
If police were the "good guys", then the US would not have the largest percentage in prison in the world.
If police were the "good guys" there would not be any War on Drugs, which clearly is an illegal attempt at a nanny state that is not defending the rights of anyone.

 

[Rigby5]

Lets put this is perspective.
Cops not only are incredibly badly trained, but are getting away with murder.
Philip Brailsford not only clearly committed murder, but is being rehired so that he can get a life pension.
Too bad Daniel Shaver was murdered by him and won't be getting anything.

Cop who killed Daniel Shaver had a history of excessive force, video shows

{... The Arizona cop acquitted last week in the "execution"-style killing of an unarmed man begging for his life remained on the job despite a well-documented incident of excessive force that was known to his superiors.

Philip "Mitch" Brailsford shot Daniel Shaver five times in 2016 at a La Quinta Inn & Suites hallway in Mesa, Ariz., even after the 26-year-old married father of two pleaded, "Please don't shoot." Now, a newly released video showing an incident almost a year earlier reveals that Shaver's death could have been avoided.

In the incident, recorded on video by a store clerk in 2015, the officer throws a teenager against a shelf in a convenience store, places him in a headlock before slamming his body to the ground as other officers in the background yell "get on the ******* ground" while trying to handcuff another teen who yelled, "I can't breathe."

The convenience store clerk, Jonathan Bratton, who took the video said, at the time, the teens who were 16, 18 and 19 were not doing anything wrong.

"I was absolutely terrified, just because they weren't doing anything," he told the East Valley Tribune in 2015. "I believe it could've been handled a way better way than where it went to."

Social media users commented that Brailsford should not have been allowed to continue working after the gas station arrest. Esteban Arceo wrote on Facebook that an officer exhibiting a pattern of brutality "will eventually kill someone."

"There is always a history with these types of cops," he said.
...}

 

[Lewdog]

A 17-year-old girl killed by a Fullerton police officer last week appears to have been pointing a replica handgun at the officer when she was shot, according to body camera footage released by the Police Department on Friday.

The graphic 15-minute video, which also features emergency radio transmissions and statements from Fullerton police officials, provides the most complete account yet of the events leading up to the shooting of Hannah Williams along the 91 Freeway in Anaheim.

The on-duty K-9 officer was driving east on the 91 Freeway when he noticed an SUV speeding past him shortly after 7 p.m., according to a videotaped statement by Fullerton Police Lt. Jon Radus introducing the footage.

As the officer attempts to stop the vehicle for a possible speeding violation, it appears to intentionally collide with his patrol car before making an abrupt U-turn into oncoming traffic and coming to a stop facing the wrong way, Radus said.

When the officer approached the driver’s side door, Williams exited and pointed the replica gun at him, Radus said. She can be seen in the video walking toward the officer with her arms outstretched.

The officer opened fire, striking her. The video shows a still-conscious Williams crying out for help as the officer and a responding LAPD officer handcuff her and provide medical aid.

Body camera video appears to show 17-year-old pointing replica gun at officer before she is shot, police say

What we have here is almost an exact replica of a case in my city with a boy named Tamir Rice. In this case, an officer was confronted by a girl with a toy gun which the officer had no way of knowing, and did what he had to do which is protect his life.

There are several differences between the Rice case and this one. First and most importantly, the liberal media has not expressed outrage in this shooting. Two, you had to dig for this story to find it. Three, they were both minors, but this girl was five years older than Tamir.

A USMB member told me that if Tamir had been white, the officer would have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law; that the officer should have known it was a toy and waited until he was shot at first before defending his life.

Not to worry though, because this is a white girl, this story will die this evening. It won't be like the year long constant reporting by the MSM like what happened in the Rice case. They likely won't investigate the life history of this officer like in the Rice case, and the city won't give the parents of this mentally challenged girl 5 million dollars because she was white and they need to buy votes.

Mod note: Edited Title and OP to remove call-outs...

She was pointing a gun at them and speeding on the highway. They had no idea it was a replica gun.

What a ridiculous call out thread.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What the law says is that you can't shoot someone just for pointing a weapon.
If police can legally shoot a civilian for pointing a weapon, than any civilian could then legal shoot police when they point a weapon.
Police can NOT have superior authority to anyone else, because it is the inherent rights of all individual that is the ONLY source of ANY authority at all in a democratic republic.
The mistake is to believe that since government has authority and hire the police, that then police are a higher authority than average people.
That is not at all true in a democratic republic.
The reality is that since the public create government, then government is below the people.
And then since government hires the police, the police then are 2 steps lower than the population as a whole.
Since police also are average citizens, they do then also have the same right of defense as anyone, but no more.
They have no more right or authority to pull the trigger than anyone does.
The risks they face is why they are paid more.
They can't then start shooting people because they no longer want to accept the risk they choose to take money for.

What police SHOULD do is not to shoot, but to take cover.
They should be acting defensively, just like everyone else.
They do not get the right to murder people so that they can just stand there in the open and pretend it was not their fault for getting into a risky situation.

Let's meet you bring your toy gun I'll bring my real one. But I don't know yours is a toy. You can rest assured you will get shot if you even start to point it at me. Police are not required to get shot first then react. Citizens do not have the "right" to disobey the law, ( which includes pointing deadly weapons at LE)no matter how ignorant you are about it. Ignorance is no defense! So I guess you are just ignorant and defenseless! Where we meeting?

Perhaps you should watch the body cam video.

This was a straight up murder.

Fullerton Police Release Body-Camera Footage of Hannah Williams Shooting | OC Weekly

I watched the video and it was the worst case of premeditated murder I have ever seen.
That was absolutely no reason at all for shots to be fired.
The cop had the whole truck to hide behind.
Put that cop in jail immediately.

You don't understand anything about police work, do you?

So let's say that the cop hid behind the truck. Now you have this maniac with a gun, on the public highway, where innocent potential victims are on the roadway driving by and not knowing what's going on. You don't see a problem with that?

The officer is not only protecting himself, he is protecting the public as well. So let's say that this is some nut, and yes, a real gun. The cop is hiding, and she shoots some 9 year old kid on the sidewalk. If you were the parent of that child, how would you feel that a cop was hiding behind a SUV while some mental case was murdering your son or daughter?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I don't think Rigby is quite as off as people think he is.

What I think he's saying is that cops don't have special powers when it comes to the use of a firearm. In fact, he is right. Cops are held to a higher standard than the average citizen because they are trained to deescalate situations, etc. Cops can only draw their weapon in the event they feel their life is in danger. Not to get someone to comply, for instance.

I think this is what he's saying.

If a police officer shoots and kills a suspect not presenting a danger to them, they will stand trial for murder. No cop is going to do that because he's mad, or because somebody hit his police car, or even his personal vehicle.

The video is far from clear because the blurred circle covering the suspects face also hides what she may have in her hand. But nobody can deny her hand was up and her arm extended.

I see no reason anybody would do that unless they did have a firearm.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

A 17-year-old girl killed by a Fullerton police officer last week appears to have been pointing a replica handgun at the officer when she was shot, according to body camera footage released by the Police Department on Friday.

The graphic 15-minute video, which also features emergency radio transmissions and statements from Fullerton police officials, provides the most complete account yet of the events leading up to the shooting of Hannah Williams along the 91 Freeway in Anaheim.

The on-duty K-9 officer was driving east on the 91 Freeway when he noticed an SUV speeding past him shortly after 7 p.m., according to a videotaped statement by Fullerton Police Lt. Jon Radus introducing the footage.

As the officer attempts to stop the vehicle for a possible speeding violation, it appears to intentionally collide with his patrol car before making an abrupt U-turn into oncoming traffic and coming to a stop facing the wrong way, Radus said.

When the officer approached the driver’s side door, Williams exited and pointed the replica gun at him, Radus said. She can be seen in the video walking toward the officer with her arms outstretched.

The officer opened fire, striking her. The video shows a still-conscious Williams crying out for help as the officer and a responding LAPD officer handcuff her and provide medical aid.

Body camera video appears to show 17-year-old pointing replica gun at officer before she is shot, police say

What we have here is almost an exact replica of a case in my city with a boy named Tamir Rice. In this case, an officer was confronted by a girl with a toy gun which the officer had no way of knowing, and did what he had to do which is protect his life.

There are several differences between the Rice case and this one. First and most importantly, the liberal media has not expressed outrage in this shooting. Two, you had to dig for this story to find it. Three, they were both minors, but this girl was five years older than Tamir.

A USMB member told me that if Tamir had been white, the officer would have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law; that the officer should have known it was a toy and waited until he was shot at first before defending his life.

Not to worry though, because this is a white girl, this story will die this evening. It won't be like the year long constant reporting by the MSM like what happened in the Rice case. They likely won't investigate the life history of this officer like in the Rice case, and the city won't give the parents of this mentally challenged girl 5 million dollars because she was white and they need to buy votes.

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Actually there are several important differences besides her skin color.

She was 17, not 12. There's a significant difference in maturity level between the two.

She advanced in the officer, pointing the fake gun at him. Rice did nothing of the sort.

The police in the Rice shooting were told in advance the gun was probably a toy, and that.the subject was probably a juvenile. There was no such warning in current case.

There's body camera video of her pointing the suppose gun at the officers.

Yes, this is a tragedy, all such shootings are. It's not receiving as much attention because it's a clear cut case of the officer responding to a threat.

Yes he was 12. His physical stature was 5'9" tall weighing 195 lbs according to his autopsy report. From what I seen, this girl was shorter and weighed less than Rice.

After the shooting when police called for medics, they described the subject as a male in his late teens or early 20's.

The police officers were not told it may be a toy, and that the subject may be a child. That information was never relayed, but even if it was, police cannot conduct themselves according to the evaluation of a passing motorist not trained in police work.

Rice pulled the toy gun out of his pants when the officers exited their vehicle. The toy gun fell to the ground after the shooting. The Grand Jury evaluated the officers testimony by a frame by frame enhanced video from NASA. They concluded that yes, Rice did pull the gun out, and yes, the officer shot in self-defense.

Afterwards, it was later learned he traded his cell phone to some other kid for that toy gun, and removed the florescent gun sight tip to make it look more like a real gun.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

A 17-year-old girl killed by a Fullerton police officer last week appears to have been pointing a replica handgun at the officer when she was shot, according to body camera footage released by the Police Department on Friday.

The graphic 15-minute video, which also features emergency radio transmissions and statements from Fullerton police officials, provides the most complete account yet of the events leading up to the shooting of Hannah Williams along the 91 Freeway in Anaheim.

The on-duty K-9 officer was driving east on the 91 Freeway when he noticed an SUV speeding past him shortly after 7 p.m., according to a videotaped statement by Fullerton Police Lt. Jon Radus introducing the footage.

As the officer attempts to stop the vehicle for a possible speeding violation, it appears to intentionally collide with his patrol car before making an abrupt U-turn into oncoming traffic and coming to a stop facing the wrong way, Radus said.

When the officer approached the driver’s side door, Williams exited and pointed the replica gun at him, Radus said. She can be seen in the video walking toward the officer with her arms outstretched.

The officer opened fire, striking her. The video shows a still-conscious Williams crying out for help as the officer and a responding LAPD officer handcuff her and provide medical aid.

Body camera video appears to show 17-year-old pointing replica gun at officer before she is shot, police say

What we have here is almost an exact replica of a case in my city with a boy named Tamir Rice. In this case, an officer was confronted by a girl with a toy gun which the officer had no way of knowing, and did what he had to do which is protect his life.

There are several differences between the Rice case and this one. First and most importantly, the liberal media has not expressed outrage in this shooting. Two, you had to dig for this story to find it. Three, they were both minors, but this girl was five years older than Tamir.

A USMB member told me that if Tamir had been white, the officer would have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law; that the officer should have known it was a toy and waited until he was shot at first before defending his life.

Not to worry though, because this is a white girl, this story will die this evening. It won't be like the year long constant reporting by the MSM like what happened in the Rice case. They likely won't investigate the life history of this officer like in the Rice case, and the city won't give the parents of this mentally challenged girl 5 million dollars because she was white and they need to buy votes.

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Was she killed because she was white?

No, I said the story will be a dead one because she was white.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What the law says is that you can't shoot someone just for pointing a weapon.
If police can legally shoot a civilian for pointing a weapon, than any civilian could then legal shoot police when they point a weapon.
Police can NOT have superior authority to anyone else, because it is the inherent rights of all individual that is the ONLY source of ANY authority at all in a democratic republic.
The mistake is to believe that since government has authority and hire the police, that then police are a higher authority than average people.
That is not at all true in a democratic republic.
The reality is that since the public create government, then government is below the people.
And then since government hires the police, the police then are 2 steps lower than the population as a whole.
Since police also are average citizens, they do then also have the same right of defense as anyone, but no more.
They have no more right or authority to pull the trigger than anyone does.
The risks they face is why they are paid more.
They can't then start shooting people because they no longer want to accept the risk they choose to take money for.

What police SHOULD do is not to shoot, but to take cover.
They should be acting defensively, just like everyone else.
They do not get the right to murder people so that they can just stand there in the open and pretend it was not their fault for getting into a risky situation.

you are a genius!! and very wrong
''''if police can legally shoot a civilian for pointing a weapon, than any civilian could then legal shoot police when they point a weapon.'''' ..????!!!!!!!! ahahahhaa
hahahahhahahahahahah
how old are you???!!! 10???

Penal Code 417 is the California law that prohibits “drawing, exhibiting, or using a firearm or deadly weapon”.1 This offense is commonly referred to as "brandishing" a weapon.

This is just one of California gun laws that regulate how and when people may lawfully use their firearms. A conviction under this section subjects you to a jail or prison sentence.

Penal Code 417 PC - "Brandishing" a Weapon or Firearm
.....understand???? in most states you can't just brandish/etc weapons---the police usually are not BRANDISHING weapons
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etc etc
you are way off base--not even in the ballpark
bran·dish
/ˈbrandiSH/
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verb

1. wave or flourish (something, especially a weapon) as a threat or in anger or excitement.

Brandishing is when you display a weapon of deadly force in a way that intimidates.
That is exactly what police are doing when they point a loaded gun at someone, and since it could easily go off by an accidental trip or tug, that is the felony conduct regardless of life.
Police illegally violate that law constantly.

But brandishing is perfectly legal by any ordinary citizen if they feel their life or property is in danger, and they have no means of safe retreat. Same as police. In fact, it has to be IDENTICAL is this it to remain a democratic republic.

Ummm, what the **** do you think POINTING a gun at you is? Moron!

You seemed to have misunderstood.
While she should not have brandished, the police do it all the time, and it is even more illegal when police do it because they have real guns, they are loaded, and the police should have been better trained to know how easily guns can go off accidentally.
It is illegal for police to point loaded guns at people who have not shown any weapon, and yet police illegally do this all the time.

No, it is not illegal for a police officer to point a gun at a suspect. If it is, by all means, please post a link to this law you created in your head.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

A 17-year-old girl killed by a Fullerton police officer last week appears to have been pointing a replica handgun at the officer when she was shot, according to body camera footage released by the Police Department on Friday.

The graphic 15-minute video, which also features emergency radio transmissions and statements from Fullerton police officials, provides the most complete account yet of the events leading up to the shooting of Hannah Williams along the 91 Freeway in Anaheim.

The on-duty K-9 officer was driving east on the 91 Freeway when he noticed an SUV speeding past him shortly after 7 p.m., according to a videotaped statement by Fullerton Police Lt. Jon Radus introducing the footage.

As the officer attempts to stop the vehicle for a possible speeding violation, it appears to intentionally collide with his patrol car before making an abrupt U-turn into oncoming traffic and coming to a stop facing the wrong way, Radus said.

When the officer approached the driver’s side door, Williams exited and pointed the replica gun at him, Radus said. She can be seen in the video walking toward the officer with her arms outstretched.

The officer opened fire, striking her. The video shows a still-conscious Williams crying out for help as the officer and a responding LAPD officer handcuff her and provide medical aid.

Body camera video appears to show 17-year-old pointing replica gun at officer before she is shot, police say

What we have here is almost an exact replica of a case in my city with a boy named Tamir Rice. In this case, an officer was confronted by a girl with a toy gun which the officer had no way of knowing, and did what he had to do which is protect his life.

There are several differences between the Rice case and this one. First and most importantly, the liberal media has not expressed outrage in this shooting. Two, you had to dig for this story to find it. Three, they were both minors, but this girl was five years older than Tamir.

A USMB member told me that if Tamir had been white, the officer would have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law; that the officer should have known it was a toy and waited until he was shot at first before defending his life.

Not to worry though, because this is a white girl, this story will die this evening. It won't be like the year long constant reporting by the MSM like what happened in the Rice case. They likely won't investigate the life history of this officer like in the Rice case, and the city won't give the parents of this mentally challenged girl 5 million dollars because she was white and they need to buy votes.

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I am MORE outraged than YOU would be if this had happened to a black or a WHITE LIBERAL. You would have mocked and ridiculed the "moron" and claimed "she deserved it". But now you come here accusing us of your own rotten vile loathsome behavior.


you really do suck

I don't know what her politics was. I started the thread to show how the liberal media treats two nearly identical stories except for the difference in race.

We've seen this in the Brown story, the Travon Martin story, the Rice story, all black guys getting shot by a white person; two of the instances police officers.

In all three, the police officer or citizen were found not guilty of wrongdoing, yet the media continued to sensationalize it for months afterwards. In fact rewards were given to the families of the person committing the crime by the cities, and by the HOS in the Martin case. Here in Cleveland, the city gave the Rice family 5 million dollars; money badly needed here for street improvements and emergency services.

The media only publicizes stories of black people. Why? Because black people will make a stink about it. They will have protests that draw media attention, sports figures disrespecting our national anthem, and if the media is lucky, riots where people burn down their own town. The liberal media loves this crap.

A white person gets shot by a police officer, no big deal. The person must have been doing something wrong, and nobody but perhaps a handful of people that the local media will pay attention to will protest.

I disagree.
People make more stink over Blacks being murdered because it happens hundreds of time more often, and because they usually do not have guns, fake or not.
This is much more of a close call because of the BB gun.
But police should be MUCH better at reading body language than that, and should be more more careful about keeping cover and not forcing risky situations.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

First off, statistics show that more whites get shot and killed by police officers than blacks, and that includes unarmed suspects.

Secondly, While we whites are much larger of a percentage of the US population, blacks lead the country in violent crime per capita. You are eight times more likely to be shot and killed by a black than a white in this country. Same goes for police officers.

Police officers do not risk their lives based on body language; whatever the hell that is. They protect themselves according to threat. Police spend over a month in a police academy. The academy updates their police procedures using past fallen officers situations. Those procedures can be modified by the employer of the police officer. But either way, the way police conduct themselves is from past situations of other officer shootings.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What the law says is that you can't shoot someone just for pointing a weapon.
If police can legally shoot a civilian for pointing a weapon, than any civilian could then legal shoot police when they point a weapon.
Police can NOT have superior authority to anyone else, because it is the inherent rights of all individual that is the ONLY source of ANY authority at all in a democratic republic.
The mistake is to believe that since government has authority and hire the police, that then police are a higher authority than average people.
That is not at all true in a democratic republic.
The reality is that since the public create government, then government is below the people.
And then since government hires the police, the police then are 2 steps lower than the population as a whole.
Since police also are average citizens, they do then also have the same right of defense as anyone, but no more.
They have no more right or authority to pull the trigger than anyone does.
The risks they face is why they are paid more.
They can't then start shooting people because they no longer want to accept the risk they choose to take money for.

What police SHOULD do is not to shoot, but to take cover.
They should be acting defensively, just like everyone else.
They do not get the right to murder people so that they can just stand there in the open and pretend it was not their fault for getting into a risky situation.

Where did you get your information from, Rigby? I am very curious to read your source.
The reason why I say that is a person who has an avatar of the Twilight Zone
posts something that is totally out of this world.

It is obvious that in a democratic republic, we create government by hiring it to do things for us.
Those you hire, can not possibly ever have superior authority to you yourself.
And police do not exist according to government.
They are not mentioned in any constitution.
They were not created until a over a century later.
Therefore they can not possibly have any additional legal authority at all.
And if they think they do, that is the line in the sand, where they have crossed over and become more of a problem then help, and it is time to get rid of them.

Police do have more authority than your average citizen. It does not have to be in the Constitution because the Constitution tells us what government cannot do--not what government can do.

States Rights allows the state to create any law they desire provided it is not unconstitutional. So if a state gives police authority over citizens, it's constitutionally protected under States Rights.

What you are saying here is that I (as a citizen) should be allowed to use red flashing lights and pull over vehicles I believe are violating our laws. Sorry. Only police have that legal authority. Or perhaps I can write somebody a ticket to appear in court for jaywalking. No, I cannot do that as an average citizen.

I cannot obtain a court warrant to kick down somebody's door and look for drugs or weapons. I cannot put handcuffs on any other citizen for violating the law. Only a police officer can legally do that.