Poland: WW II was caused by the two totalitarian powers : Stalinist Soviet Union and Nazi Germany

[Votto]

Without the Eastern Front occupying most of the German Army, D-Day would have been impossible.

Until the atomic bomb, the US and UK could not have defeated Germany without the Soviet Union.

The B-36 bomber was developed to bomb Germany from North America.

Just say'in.

The US did not need the USSR and should have declared war on both Germany and the USSR for invading Poland.

 

[Syriusly]

Without the Eastern Front occupying most of the German Army, D-Day would have been impossible.

Until the atomic bomb, the US and UK could not have defeated Germany without the Soviet Union.

The B-36 bomber was developed to bomb Germany from North America.

Just say'in.

The US did not need the USSR and should have declared war on both Germany and the USSR for invading Poland.

In 1939 when Germany and the USSR invaded Poland, the United States had one of the weakest militaries amongst developed countries, and FDR was rushing to try to increase both the size and capabilities of American military. America didn't even have enough tanks to do armored exercises.

And America was very isolationist- FDR barely was able to squick "Lend Lease" through to support the UK. There is no way that Americans would have supported a war against Germany or the Soviet Union at the time. It was only after Pearl Harbor that FDR could rally Americans to support both the war in Europe and the Pacific.

 

[Litwin]

Once nukes are developed, there is no hope for the Nazis.

But what if the Nazis had taken over all of Europe (including the UK)? Even the B-29s couldn't reach Germany from North America, and there was growing opposition to the terror bombing of German cities. If Hitler hadn't declared war on the U.S., a negotiated peace might have ensued.

Allied invasion of Sicily - Wikipedia

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The Allied invasion of Sicily, codenamed Operation Husky, was a major campaign of World War II, in which the Allies took the island of Sicily from the Axis powers (the Kingdom of Italy and Nazi Germany).
Result‎: ‎Allied victory: Effective collapse of Mus...
Location‎: ‎Sicily, Italy
Date‎: ‎9 July – 17 August 1943


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Operation Torch (8–16 November 1942) was an Anglo–American invasion of French North Africa during the Second World War. ... Torch was the first mass involvement of US troops in the European–North African Theatre, and saw the first major airborne assault carried out by the United States.

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9 jan. 2018 - The US Invasion of North Africa. As the "Hinge of Fate" was turning across the globe, Operation Torch became the US military's first step toward ...

While the U.S. did launch Operation Torch from the U.S., I doubt such an action would have taken place if
a) the UK was defeated and occupied by Germany and
b) Germany didn't declare war on the U.S.

you are wrong, if Germany ´d destroy Stalinist Marxist empire, it´d be even more easy for USA to liberate the world from all evil , Germany´s supply lines ´d be outstretched even more

LOL what makes you think that the USA would 'liberate the world from all evil'?

Could Germany have defeated the Soviet Union? I don't know that would be possible. If Germany focused on defeating the UK, I think that would have been possible. But that would have given the Soviet Union more time to:
a) Build modern tanks- at the beginning of the war the Soviets had mostly obsolete tanks and few T-34's and KV-1's. By 1943 the Soviets were cranking out tanks- and that was while they were being invaded by Germany. Soviet tank production dwarfed Germany's.
b) Build more of everything- artillery, assault guns, divisions. The Soviets industrial capacity was expanding.
c) Rebuild the officer corps after the purges of the 30's.

Certainly German military leadership would have been superior but presuming technology advancements advanced at historical rates, by 1944 Germany would have had superior armor that was technologically harder to manufacture- and poorly suited for offense(think Tiger II, Jagtiger), while the Soviets were cranking out more easily manufactured armor that was almost as good as the German(T-34/85, JS1, SU-152), and better suited for offense(more reliable, faster)

man , do you agree that Koba and Hitler started ww2 ? i do , i ´d recommend you this author


and this one

Mark Solonin. Historian's personal webpage.Mark Solonin

 

[Syriusly]

But what if the Nazis had taken over all of Europe (including the UK)? Even the B-29s couldn't reach Germany from North America, and there was growing opposition to the terror bombing of German cities. If Hitler hadn't declared war on the U.S., a negotiated peace might have ensued.

Allied invasion of Sicily - Wikipedia

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The Allied invasion of Sicily, codenamed Operation Husky, was a major campaign of World War II, in which the Allies took the island of Sicily from the Axis powers (the Kingdom of Italy and Nazi Germany).
Result‎: ‎Allied victory: Effective collapse of Mus...
Location‎: ‎Sicily, Italy
Date‎: ‎9 July – 17 August 1943


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Operation Torch (8–16 November 1942) was an Anglo–American invasion of French North Africa during the Second World War. ... Torch was the first mass involvement of US troops in the European–North African Theatre, and saw the first major airborne assault carried out by the United States.

World War II: The North African Campaign - The Atlantic

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4 sep. 2011 - World War II: The North African Campaign ... Italy invaded Egypt in September of 1940, and in a December counterattack, British and Indian ...
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9 jan. 2018 - The US Invasion of North Africa. As the "Hinge of Fate" was turning across the globe, Operation Torch became the US military's first step toward ...

While the U.S. did launch Operation Torch from the U.S., I doubt such an action would have taken place if
a) the UK was defeated and occupied by Germany and
b) Germany didn't declare war on the U.S.

you are wrong, if Germany ´d destroy Stalinist Marxist empire, it´d be even more easy for USA to liberate the world from all evil , Germany´s supply lines ´d be outstretched even more

LOL what makes you think that the USA would 'liberate the world from all evil'?

Could Germany have defeated the Soviet Union? I don't know that would be possible. If Germany focused on defeating the UK, I think that would have been possible. But that would have given the Soviet Union more time to:
a) Build modern tanks- at the beginning of the war the Soviets had mostly obsolete tanks and few T-34's and KV-1's. By 1943 the Soviets were cranking out tanks- and that was while they were being invaded by Germany. Soviet tank production dwarfed Germany's.
b) Build more of everything- artillery, assault guns, divisions. The Soviets industrial capacity was expanding.
c) Rebuild the officer corps after the purges of the 30's.

Certainly German military leadership would have been superior but presuming technology advancements advanced at historical rates, by 1944 Germany would have had superior armor that was technologically harder to manufacture- and poorly suited for offense(think Tiger II, Jagtiger), while the Soviets were cranking out more easily manufactured armor that was almost as good as the German(T-34/85, JS1, SU-152), and better suited for offense(more reliable, faster)

man , do you agree that Koba and Hitler started ww2 ? i do , i ´d recommend you this author


and this one

Mark Solonin. Historian's personal webpage.Mark Solonin

I don't watch video's like that. I read Mark's bio and I think I will give it a pass, though I noticed one of his articles dealt with the Soviets war with Finland- which we can put down as another of Stalin's aggressions.

Who do I think 'started' World War 2?

Hitler.

And WW2 didn't really start until the day Hitler declared war on the U.S.. Prior to that there was a war in Europe, and a war in Asia. Once the United States got involved it truly became the 2nd World War.

 

[Litwin]

Allied invasion of Sicily - Wikipedia

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The Allied invasion of Sicily, codenamed Operation Husky, was a major campaign of World War II, in which the Allies took the island of Sicily from the Axis powers (the Kingdom of Italy and Nazi Germany).
Result‎: ‎Allied victory: Effective collapse of Mus...
Location‎: ‎Sicily, Italy
Date‎: ‎9 July – 17 August 1943


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Operation Torch (8–16 November 1942) was an Anglo–American invasion of French North Africa during the Second World War. ... Torch was the first mass involvement of US troops in the European–North African Theatre, and saw the first major airborne assault carried out by the United States.

World War II: The North African Campaign - The Atlantic

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4 sep. 2011 - World War II: The North African Campaign ... Italy invaded Egypt in September of 1940, and in a December counterattack, British and Indian ...
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9 jan. 2018 - The US Invasion of North Africa. As the "Hinge of Fate" was turning across the globe, Operation Torch became the US military's first step toward ...

While the U.S. did launch Operation Torch from the U.S., I doubt such an action would have taken place if
a) the UK was defeated and occupied by Germany and
b) Germany didn't declare war on the U.S.

you are wrong, if Germany ´d destroy Stalinist Marxist empire, it´d be even more easy for USA to liberate the world from all evil , Germany´s supply lines ´d be outstretched even more

LOL what makes you think that the USA would 'liberate the world from all evil'?

Could Germany have defeated the Soviet Union? I don't know that would be possible. If Germany focused on defeating the UK, I think that would have been possible. But that would have given the Soviet Union more time to:
a) Build modern tanks- at the beginning of the war the Soviets had mostly obsolete tanks and few T-34's and KV-1's. By 1943 the Soviets were cranking out tanks- and that was while they were being invaded by Germany. Soviet tank production dwarfed Germany's.
b) Build more of everything- artillery, assault guns, divisions. The Soviets industrial capacity was expanding.
c) Rebuild the officer corps after the purges of the 30's.

Certainly German military leadership would have been superior but presuming technology advancements advanced at historical rates, by 1944 Germany would have had superior armor that was technologically harder to manufacture- and poorly suited for offense(think Tiger II, Jagtiger), while the Soviets were cranking out more easily manufactured armor that was almost as good as the German(T-34/85, JS1, SU-152), and better suited for offense(more reliable, faster)

man , do you agree that Koba and Hitler started ww2 ? i do , i ´d recommend you this author


and this one

Mark Solonin. Historian's personal webpage.Mark Solonin

I don't watch video's like that. I read Mark's bio and I think I will give it a pass, though I noticed one of his articles dealt with the Soviets war with Finland- which we can put down as another of Stalin's aggressions.

Who do I think 'started' World War 2?

Hitler.

And WW2 didn't really start until the day Hitler declared war on the U.S.. Prior to that there was a war in Europe, and a war in Asia. Once the United States got involved it truly became the 2nd World War.

so you support the Stalinist propaganda and enemy of EU /USA , i am 100% sure that you will to be punished for this one day

 

[Correll]

Once nukes are developed, there is no hope for the Nazis.

But what if the Nazis had taken over all of Europe (including the UK)? Even the B-29s couldn't reach Germany from North America, and there was growing opposition to the terror bombing of German cities. If Hitler hadn't declared war on the U.S., a negotiated peace might have ensued.

Allied invasion of Sicily - Wikipedia

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The Allied invasion of Sicily, codenamed Operation Husky, was a major campaign of World War II, in which the Allies took the island of Sicily from the Axis powers (the Kingdom of Italy and Nazi Germany).
Result‎: ‎Allied victory: Effective collapse of Mus...
Location‎: ‎Sicily, Italy
Date‎: ‎9 July – 17 August 1943


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Operation Torch (8–16 November 1942) was an Anglo–American invasion of French North Africa during the Second World War. ... Torch was the first mass involvement of US troops in the European–North African Theatre, and saw the first major airborne assault carried out by the United States.

World War II: The North African Campaign - The Atlantic

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4 sep. 2011 - World War II: The North African Campaign ... Italy invaded Egypt in September of 1940, and in a December counterattack, British and Indian ...
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9 jan. 2018 - The US Invasion of North Africa. As the "Hinge of Fate" was turning across the globe, Operation Torch became the US military's first step toward ...

While the U.S. did launch Operation Torch from the U.S., I doubt such an action would have taken place if
a) the UK was defeated and occupied by Germany and
b) Germany didn't declare war on the U.S.

you are wrong, if Germany ´d destroy Stalinist Marxist empire, it´d be even more easy for USA to liberate the world from all evil , Germany´s supply lines ´d be outstretched even more

If the UK was out of the war, even in not occupied, it would be very hard for the US to conduct operations against Nazi Germany.

 

[Litwin]

Once nukes are developed, there is no hope for the Nazis.

But what if the Nazis had taken over all of Europe (including the UK)? Even the B-29s couldn't reach Germany from North America, and there was growing opposition to the terror bombing of German cities. If Hitler hadn't declared war on the U.S., a negotiated peace might have ensued.

Allied invasion of Sicily - Wikipedia

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The Allied invasion of Sicily, codenamed Operation Husky, was a major campaign of World War II, in which the Allies took the island of Sicily from the Axis powers (the Kingdom of Italy and Nazi Germany).
Result‎: ‎Allied victory: Effective collapse of Mus...
Location‎: ‎Sicily, Italy
Date‎: ‎9 July – 17 August 1943


Operation Torch - Wikipedia

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Operation Torch (8–16 November 1942) was an Anglo–American invasion of French North Africa during the Second World War. ... Torch was the first mass involvement of US troops in the European–North African Theatre, and saw the first major airborne assault carried out by the United States.

World War II: The North African Campaign - The Atlantic

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4 sep. 2011 - World War II: The North African Campaign ... Italy invaded Egypt in September of 1940, and in a December counterattack, British and Indian ...
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9 jan. 2018 - The US Invasion of North Africa. As the "Hinge of Fate" was turning across the globe, Operation Torch became the US military's first step toward ...

While the U.S. did launch Operation Torch from the U.S., I doubt such an action would have taken place if
a) the UK was defeated and occupied by Germany and
b) Germany didn't declare war on the U.S.

you are wrong, if Germany ´d destroy Stalinist Marxist empire, it´d be even more easy for USA to liberate the world from all evil , Germany´s supply lines ´d be outstretched even more

If the UK was out of the war, even in not occupied, it would be very hard for the US to conduct operations against Nazi Germany.

what are you taking about ? USA produced more than 50% world GDP and koba killed more than Hitler, we had to destroy ussr first

 

[Sbiker]

Stalin murdered millions of Soviet citizens-

How many millions? Which documents could prove it?

along with millions of Poles

How many millions? Poland loss about 60 thousands soldiers in 1939 year, mostly at west front... Where the millions, killed by Stalin?

and other nationalities.

Which else nationalities we have to discuss?
It's interesting, but I never find any photo of "JOINT" parade of Soviet and Nazi armies in Brest-Litovsk. Yes - there are a lot of photo of marching Wiermacht and Soviet and Nazi soldiers, standing together.. Where the photo, where they _marching_ together at parade??? With a lot photo of other types of interaction?

Fascinating how much in denial you are.

I don't deny anything, I just like to wash facts before eating. So I'm asking about proofs to see, which new info about history I can find and consider. I'm not a propagandist on salary, like Litwin and I don't want to explode your world picture, but I'm gathering pieces to my world understanding

“The Ukrainian famine was a clear case of a man-made famine,”

At first, it wasn't "Ukrainian" famine, it was "USSR famine", my grandma told me about it. So, how about US great famine at the same time (1928 -1934)? Was it a result of Stalin's dark activity too?

https://www.history.com/topics/russia/great-purge
The Great Purge, also known as the “Great Terror,” was a brutal political campaign led by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin to eliminate dissenting members of the Communist Party and anyone else he considered a threat. Although estimates vary, most experts believe at least 750,000 people were executed during the Great Purge, which took place between about 1936 and 1938. More than a million other people were sent to forced labor camps, known as Gulags.

750.000 - it seems a number of all executed in USSR from 1921 to 1953 year, including criminals. This time period includes two years of Civil war and three years of WWII at USSR territory, you could imagine, how much criminals rised at these times and after

So, about "Great Terror" of Stalin... At 1937 there are 820.881 imprisoned in USSR (on 195 million. people). At USA in 2019 there are 2 204 000 imprisoned (on 328 million people). Do you feel living at "Great Terror of Trump" times, heh? )))))))))

The number of Poles who died due to Soviet repressions in the period 1939-1941 is estimated as at least 150,000.[3][5]

Do you know, how many of this Poles were in reality a soldiers of Wehrmacht and members of Policei, repressed jews?
Ok, also we "repressed" a millions of same Germans, fought against USSR in Wehrmacht and SS...
Why do you think SS built their "camps of death" only at own and at Poland territory? Having a lot of other European territories?

In 1940 and the first half of 1941, the Soviets deported a total of more than 1,200,000 Poles in four waves of mass deportations from the Soviet-occupied Polish territories.

Oh, about this topic I don't know so much, it's interesting, how it was really, because deportation of 1.2 millions people to Siberia is a very serious transport problem. I'm afraid, all Siberian railroad system of before-war time wasn't able to give resources to do it :-\

So, now I understand, why Stalin was worse than Hitler. He just deported Poles, instead of "complete colution of jews problem" by Hitler...

 

[Correll]

But what if the Nazis had taken over all of Europe (including the UK)? Even the B-29s couldn't reach Germany from North America, and there was growing opposition to the terror bombing of German cities. If Hitler hadn't declared war on the U.S., a negotiated peace might have ensued.

Allied invasion of Sicily - Wikipedia

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The Allied invasion of Sicily, codenamed Operation Husky, was a major campaign of World War II, in which the Allies took the island of Sicily from the Axis powers (the Kingdom of Italy and Nazi Germany).
Result‎: ‎Allied victory: Effective collapse of Mus...
Location‎: ‎Sicily, Italy
Date‎: ‎9 July – 17 August 1943


Operation Torch - Wikipedia

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Operation Torch (8–16 November 1942) was an Anglo–American invasion of French North Africa during the Second World War. ... Torch was the first mass involvement of US troops in the European–North African Theatre, and saw the first major airborne assault carried out by the United States.

World War II: The North African Campaign - The Atlantic

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4 sep. 2011 - World War II: The North African Campaign ... Italy invaded Egypt in September of 1940, and in a December counterattack, British and Indian ...
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9 jan. 2018 - The US Invasion of North Africa. As the "Hinge of Fate" was turning across the globe, Operation Torch became the US military's first step toward ...

While the U.S. did launch Operation Torch from the U.S., I doubt such an action would have taken place if
a) the UK was defeated and occupied by Germany and
b) Germany didn't declare war on the U.S.

you are wrong, if Germany ´d destroy Stalinist Marxist empire, it´d be even more easy for USA to liberate the world from all evil , Germany´s supply lines ´d be outstretched even more

If the UK was out of the war, even in not occupied, it would be very hard for the US to conduct operations against Nazi Germany.

what are you taking about ? USA produced more than 50% world GDP and koba killed more than Hitler, we had to destroy ussr first

Projecting military force across an Ocean is far more difficult than projecting it across the English Channel.

 

[Syriusly]

While the U.S. did launch Operation Torch from the U.S., I doubt such an action would have taken place if
a) the UK was defeated and occupied by Germany and
b) Germany didn't declare war on the U.S.

you are wrong, if Germany ´d destroy Stalinist Marxist empire, it´d be even more easy for USA to liberate the world from all evil , Germany´s supply lines ´d be outstretched even more

LOL what makes you think that the USA would 'liberate the world from all evil'?

Could Germany have defeated the Soviet Union? I don't know that would be possible. If Germany focused on defeating the UK, I think that would have been possible. But that would have given the Soviet Union more time to:
a) Build modern tanks- at the beginning of the war the Soviets had mostly obsolete tanks and few T-34's and KV-1's. By 1943 the Soviets were cranking out tanks- and that was while they were being invaded by Germany. Soviet tank production dwarfed Germany's.
b) Build more of everything- artillery, assault guns, divisions. The Soviets industrial capacity was expanding.
c) Rebuild the officer corps after the purges of the 30's.

Certainly German military leadership would have been superior but presuming technology advancements advanced at historical rates, by 1944 Germany would have had superior armor that was technologically harder to manufacture- and poorly suited for offense(think Tiger II, Jagtiger), while the Soviets were cranking out more easily manufactured armor that was almost as good as the German(T-34/85, JS1, SU-152), and better suited for offense(more reliable, faster)

man , do you agree that Koba and Hitler started ww2 ? i do , i ´d recommend you this author


and this one

Mark Solonin. Historian's personal webpage.Mark Solonin

I don't watch video's like that. I read Mark's bio and I think I will give it a pass, though I noticed one of his articles dealt with the Soviets war with Finland- which we can put down as another of Stalin's aggressions.

Who do I think 'started' World War 2?

Hitler.

And WW2 didn't really start until the day Hitler declared war on the U.S.. Prior to that there was a war in Europe, and a war in Asia. Once the United States got involved it truly became the 2nd World War.

so you support the Stalinist propaganda and enemy of EU /USA , i am 100% sure that you will to be punished for this one day

LOL I support the truth and the United States. You support whatever weird Koo Koo Konspiracy World you live in. I am 100% sure that you don't have a clue about me or what will happen to me.

Have a great day!

 

[Syriusly]

Stalin murdered millions of Soviet citizens-

How many millions? Which documents could prove it?

along with millions of Poles

How many millions? Poland loss about 60 thousands soldiers in 1939 year, mostly at west front... Where the millions, killed by Stalin?

and other nationalities.

Which else nationalities we have to discuss?
It's interesting, but I never find any photo of "JOINT" parade of Soviet and Nazi armies in Brest-Litovsk. Yes - there are a lot of photo of marching Wiermacht and Soviet and Nazi soldiers, standing together.. Where the photo, where they _marching_ together at parade??? With a lot photo of other types of interaction?

Fascinating how much in denial you are.

I don't deny anything, I just like to wash facts before eating. So I'm asking about proofs to see, which new info about history I can find and consider. I'm not a propagandist on salary, like Litwin and I don't want to explode your world picture, but I'm gathering pieces to my world understanding

“The Ukrainian famine was a clear case of a man-made famine,”

At first, it wasn't "Ukrainian" famine, it was "USSR famine", my grandma told me about it. So, how about US great famine at the same time (1928 -1934)? Was it a result of Stalin's dark activity too?

https://www.history.com/topics/russia/great-purge
The Great Purge, also known as the “Great Terror,” was a brutal political campaign led by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin to eliminate dissenting members of the Communist Party and anyone else he considered a threat. Although estimates vary, most experts believe at least 750,000 people were executed during the Great Purge, which took place between about 1936 and 1938. More than a million other people were sent to forced labor camps, known as Gulags.

750.000 - it seems a number of all executed in USSR from 1921 to 1953 year, including criminals. This time period includes two years of Civil war and three years of WWII at USSR territory, you could imagine, how much criminals rised at these times and after

So, about "Great Terror" of Stalin... At 1937 there are 820.881 imprisoned in USSR (on 195 million. people). At USA in 2019 there are 2 204 000 imprisoned (on 328 million people). Do you feel living at "Great Terror of Trump" times, heh? )))))))))

The number of Poles who died due to Soviet repressions in the period 1939-1941 is estimated as at least 150,000.[3][5]

Do you know, how many of this Poles were in reality a soldiers of Wehrmacht and members of Policei, repressed jews?
Ok, also we "repressed" a millions of same Germans, fought against USSR in Wehrmacht and SS...
Why do you think SS built their "camps of death" only at own and at Poland territory? Having a lot of other European territories?

In 1940 and the first half of 1941, the Soviets deported a total of more than 1,200,000 Poles in four waves of mass deportations from the Soviet-occupied Polish territories.

Oh, about this topic I don't know so much, it's interesting, how it was really, because deportation of 1.2 millions people to Siberia is a very serious transport problem. I'm afraid, all Siberian railroad system of before-war time wasn't able to give resources to do it :-\

So, now I understand, why Stalin was worse than Hitler. He just deported Poles, instead of "complete colution of jews problem" by Hitler...

I don't consider Stalin to be worse than Hitler. Certainly I consider him to be more like Hitler than not. Stalin ordered the murder of millions of Ukrainians, Poles, Russians and Germans. The only reason Stalin is remembered differently than Hitler is because the Soviet Union was considered an ally.

But sure- keep on defending the mass murderer Stalin. Whatever gives you your jollies.

 

[Sbiker]

Allied invasion of Sicily - Wikipedia

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The Allied invasion of Sicily, codenamed Operation Husky, was a major campaign of World War II, in which the Allies took the island of Sicily from the Axis powers (the Kingdom of Italy and Nazi Germany).
Result‎: ‎Allied victory: Effective collapse of Mus...
Location‎: ‎Sicily, Italy
Date‎: ‎9 July – 17 August 1943


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Operation Torch (8–16 November 1942) was an Anglo–American invasion of French North Africa during the Second World War. ... Torch was the first mass involvement of US troops in the European–North African Theatre, and saw the first major airborne assault carried out by the United States.

World War II: The North African Campaign - The Atlantic

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4 sep. 2011 - World War II: The North African Campaign ... Italy invaded Egypt in September of 1940, and in a December counterattack, British and Indian ...
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9 jan. 2018 - The US Invasion of North Africa. As the "Hinge of Fate" was turning across the globe, Operation Torch became the US military's first step toward ...

While the U.S. did launch Operation Torch from the U.S., I doubt such an action would have taken place if
a) the UK was defeated and occupied by Germany and
b) Germany didn't declare war on the U.S.

you are wrong, if Germany ´d destroy Stalinist Marxist empire, it´d be even more easy for USA to liberate the world from all evil , Germany´s supply lines ´d be outstretched even more

If the UK was out of the war, even in not occupied, it would be very hard for the US to conduct operations against Nazi Germany.

what are you taking about ? USA produced more than 50% world GDP and koba killed more than Hitler, we had to destroy ussr first

Projecting military force across an Ocean is far more difficult than projecting it across the English Channel.

I heared, war against Japan forced US to build the world best system of cargo logistics It's really very hard to supply military forces at large distances.

 

[Sbiker]

Stalin murdered millions of Soviet citizens-

How many millions? Which documents could prove it?

along with millions of Poles

How many millions? Poland loss about 60 thousands soldiers in 1939 year, mostly at west front... Where the millions, killed by Stalin?

and other nationalities.

Which else nationalities we have to discuss?
It's interesting, but I never find any photo of "JOINT" parade of Soviet and Nazi armies in Brest-Litovsk. Yes - there are a lot of photo of marching Wiermacht and Soviet and Nazi soldiers, standing together.. Where the photo, where they _marching_ together at parade??? With a lot photo of other types of interaction?

Fascinating how much in denial you are.

I don't deny anything, I just like to wash facts before eating. So I'm asking about proofs to see, which new info about history I can find and consider. I'm not a propagandist on salary, like Litwin and I don't want to explode your world picture, but I'm gathering pieces to my world understanding

“The Ukrainian famine was a clear case of a man-made famine,”

At first, it wasn't "Ukrainian" famine, it was "USSR famine", my grandma told me about it. So, how about US great famine at the same time (1928 -1934)? Was it a result of Stalin's dark activity too?

https://www.history.com/topics/russia/great-purge
The Great Purge, also known as the “Great Terror,” was a brutal political campaign led by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin to eliminate dissenting members of the Communist Party and anyone else he considered a threat. Although estimates vary, most experts believe at least 750,000 people were executed during the Great Purge, which took place between about 1936 and 1938. More than a million other people were sent to forced labor camps, known as Gulags.

750.000 - it seems a number of all executed in USSR from 1921 to 1953 year, including criminals. This time period includes two years of Civil war and three years of WWII at USSR territory, you could imagine, how much criminals rised at these times and after

So, about "Great Terror" of Stalin... At 1937 there are 820.881 imprisoned in USSR (on 195 million. people). At USA in 2019 there are 2 204 000 imprisoned (on 328 million people). Do you feel living at "Great Terror of Trump" times, heh? )))))))))

The number of Poles who died due to Soviet repressions in the period 1939-1941 is estimated as at least 150,000.[3][5]

Do you know, how many of this Poles were in reality a soldiers of Wehrmacht and members of Policei, repressed jews?
Ok, also we "repressed" a millions of same Germans, fought against USSR in Wehrmacht and SS...
Why do you think SS built their "camps of death" only at own and at Poland territory? Having a lot of other European territories?

In 1940 and the first half of 1941, the Soviets deported a total of more than 1,200,000 Poles in four waves of mass deportations from the Soviet-occupied Polish territories.

Oh, about this topic I don't know so much, it's interesting, how it was really, because deportation of 1.2 millions people to Siberia is a very serious transport problem. I'm afraid, all Siberian railroad system of before-war time wasn't able to give resources to do it :-\

So, now I understand, why Stalin was worse than Hitler. He just deported Poles, instead of "complete colution of jews problem" by Hitler...

I don't consider Stalin to be worse than Hitler. Certainly I consider him to be more like Hitler than not. Stalin ordered the murder of millions of Ukrainians, Poles, Russians and Germans. The only reason Stalin is remembered differently than Hitler is because the Soviet Union was considered an ally.

But sure- keep on defending the mass murderer Stalin. Whatever gives you your jollies.

As for me and other millions of Russians - in fact, Stalin gave us a chance not to be a victim of "humanitarian act" of murder of civilians by US air strikes, from Japan to Belgrade (Operation Dropshot - Wikipedia) I'm just a civilian Russian and I don't want to die as a result of hate from a lot of western politiсs...

 

[Syriusly]

Stalin murdered millions of Soviet citizens-

How many millions? Which documents could prove it?

along with millions of Poles

How many millions? Poland loss about 60 thousands soldiers in 1939 year, mostly at west front... Where the millions, killed by Stalin?

and other nationalities.

Which else nationalities we have to discuss?
It's interesting, but I never find any photo of "JOINT" parade of Soviet and Nazi armies in Brest-Litovsk. Yes - there are a lot of photo of marching Wiermacht and Soviet and Nazi soldiers, standing together.. Where the photo, where they _marching_ together at parade??? With a lot photo of other types of interaction?

Fascinating how much in denial you are.

I don't deny anything, I just like to wash facts before eating. So I'm asking about proofs to see, which new info about history I can find and consider. I'm not a propagandist on salary, like Litwin and I don't want to explode your world picture, but I'm gathering pieces to my world understanding

“The Ukrainian famine was a clear case of a man-made famine,”

At first, it wasn't "Ukrainian" famine, it was "USSR famine", my grandma told me about it. So, how about US great famine at the same time (1928 -1934)? Was it a result of Stalin's dark activity too?

https://www.history.com/topics/russia/great-purge
The Great Purge, also known as the “Great Terror,” was a brutal political campaign led by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin to eliminate dissenting members of the Communist Party and anyone else he considered a threat. Although estimates vary, most experts believe at least 750,000 people were executed during the Great Purge, which took place between about 1936 and 1938. More than a million other people were sent to forced labor camps, known as Gulags.

750.000 - it seems a number of all executed in USSR from 1921 to 1953 year, including criminals. This time period includes two years of Civil war and three years of WWII at USSR territory, you could imagine, how much criminals rised at these times and after

So, about "Great Terror" of Stalin... At 1937 there are 820.881 imprisoned in USSR (on 195 million. people). At USA in 2019 there are 2 204 000 imprisoned (on 328 million people). Do you feel living at "Great Terror of Trump" times, heh? )))))))))

The number of Poles who died due to Soviet repressions in the period 1939-1941 is estimated as at least 150,000.[3][5]

Do you know, how many of this Poles were in reality a soldiers of Wehrmacht and members of Policei, repressed jews?
Ok, also we "repressed" a millions of same Germans, fought against USSR in Wehrmacht and SS...
Why do you think SS built their "camps of death" only at own and at Poland territory? Having a lot of other European territories?

In 1940 and the first half of 1941, the Soviets deported a total of more than 1,200,000 Poles in four waves of mass deportations from the Soviet-occupied Polish territories.

Oh, about this topic I don't know so much, it's interesting, how it was really, because deportation of 1.2 millions people to Siberia is a very serious transport problem. I'm afraid, all Siberian railroad system of before-war time wasn't able to give resources to do it :-\

So, now I understand, why Stalin was worse than Hitler. He just deported Poles, instead of "complete colution of jews problem" by Hitler...

I don't consider Stalin to be worse than Hitler. Certainly I consider him to be more like Hitler than not. Stalin ordered the murder of millions of Ukrainians, Poles, Russians and Germans. The only reason Stalin is remembered differently than Hitler is because the Soviet Union was considered an ally.

But sure- keep on defending the mass murderer Stalin. Whatever gives you your jollies.

As for me and other millions of Russians - in fact, Stalin gave us a chance not to be a victim of "humanitarian act" of murder of civilians by US air strikes, from Japan to Belgrade (Operation Dropshot - Wikipedia) I'm just a civilian Russian and I don't want to die as a result of hate from a lot of western politiсs...

Yep- your hero Stalin was a peach of a guy.

Stalin killed millions. A Stanford historian answers the question, was it genocide?

Stalin had nearly a million of his own citizens executed, beginning in the 1930s. Millions more fell victim to forced labor, deportation, famine, massacres, and detention and interrogation by Stalin’s henchmen.

 

[Sbiker]

How many millions? Which documents could prove it?

How many millions? Poland loss about 60 thousands soldiers in 1939 year, mostly at west front... Where the millions, killed by Stalin?

Which else nationalities we have to discuss?
It's interesting, but I never find any photo of "JOINT" parade of Soviet and Nazi armies in Brest-Litovsk. Yes - there are a lot of photo of marching Wiermacht and Soviet and Nazi soldiers, standing together.. Where the photo, where they _marching_ together at parade??? With a lot photo of other types of interaction?

Fascinating how much in denial you are.

I don't deny anything, I just like to wash facts before eating. So I'm asking about proofs to see, which new info about history I can find and consider. I'm not a propagandist on salary, like Litwin and I don't want to explode your world picture, but I'm gathering pieces to my world understanding

“The Ukrainian famine was a clear case of a man-made famine,”

At first, it wasn't "Ukrainian" famine, it was "USSR famine", my grandma told me about it. So, how about US great famine at the same time (1928 -1934)? Was it a result of Stalin's dark activity too?

https://www.history.com/topics/russia/great-purge
The Great Purge, also known as the “Great Terror,” was a brutal political campaign led by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin to eliminate dissenting members of the Communist Party and anyone else he considered a threat. Although estimates vary, most experts believe at least 750,000 people were executed during the Great Purge, which took place between about 1936 and 1938. More than a million other people were sent to forced labor camps, known as Gulags.

750.000 - it seems a number of all executed in USSR from 1921 to 1953 year, including criminals. This time period includes two years of Civil war and three years of WWII at USSR territory, you could imagine, how much criminals rised at these times and after

So, about "Great Terror" of Stalin... At 1937 there are 820.881 imprisoned in USSR (on 195 million. people). At USA in 2019 there are 2 204 000 imprisoned (on 328 million people). Do you feel living at "Great Terror of Trump" times, heh? )))))))))

The number of Poles who died due to Soviet repressions in the period 1939-1941 is estimated as at least 150,000.[3][5]

Do you know, how many of this Poles were in reality a soldiers of Wehrmacht and members of Policei, repressed jews?
Ok, also we "repressed" a millions of same Germans, fought against USSR in Wehrmacht and SS...
Why do you think SS built their "camps of death" only at own and at Poland territory? Having a lot of other European territories?

In 1940 and the first half of 1941, the Soviets deported a total of more than 1,200,000 Poles in four waves of mass deportations from the Soviet-occupied Polish territories.

Oh, about this topic I don't know so much, it's interesting, how it was really, because deportation of 1.2 millions people to Siberia is a very serious transport problem. I'm afraid, all Siberian railroad system of before-war time wasn't able to give resources to do it :-\

So, now I understand, why Stalin was worse than Hitler. He just deported Poles, instead of "complete colution of jews problem" by Hitler...

I don't consider Stalin to be worse than Hitler. Certainly I consider him to be more like Hitler than not. Stalin ordered the murder of millions of Ukrainians, Poles, Russians and Germans. The only reason Stalin is remembered differently than Hitler is because the Soviet Union was considered an ally.

But sure- keep on defending the mass murderer Stalin. Whatever gives you your jollies.

As for me and other millions of Russians - in fact, Stalin gave us a chance not to be a victim of "humanitarian act" of murder of civilians by US air strikes, from Japan to Belgrade (Operation Dropshot - Wikipedia) I'm just a civilian Russian and I don't want to die as a result of hate from a lot of western politiсs...

Yep- your hero Stalin was a peach of a guy.

Stalin killed millions. A Stanford historian answers the question, was it genocide?

Stalin had nearly a million of his own citizens executed, beginning in the 1930s. Millions more fell victim to forced labor, deportation, famine, massacres, and detention and interrogation by Stalin’s henchmen.

A pretty doublethink! How could you at the same time to condemn intervention in USA elections and internal deals of USSR both?

 

[Syriusly]

Fascinating how much in denial you are.

I don't deny anything, I just like to wash facts before eating. So I'm asking about proofs to see, which new info about history I can find and consider. I'm not a propagandist on salary, like Litwin and I don't want to explode your world picture, but I'm gathering pieces to my world understanding

“The Ukrainian famine was a clear case of a man-made famine,”

At first, it wasn't "Ukrainian" famine, it was "USSR famine", my grandma told me about it. So, how about US great famine at the same time (1928 -1934)? Was it a result of Stalin's dark activity too?

https://www.history.com/topics/russia/great-purge
The Great Purge, also known as the “Great Terror,” was a brutal political campaign led by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin to eliminate dissenting members of the Communist Party and anyone else he considered a threat. Although estimates vary, most experts believe at least 750,000 people were executed during the Great Purge, which took place between about 1936 and 1938. More than a million other people were sent to forced labor camps, known as Gulags.

750.000 - it seems a number of all executed in USSR from 1921 to 1953 year, including criminals. This time period includes two years of Civil war and three years of WWII at USSR territory, you could imagine, how much criminals rised at these times and after

So, about "Great Terror" of Stalin... At 1937 there are 820.881 imprisoned in USSR (on 195 million. people). At USA in 2019 there are 2 204 000 imprisoned (on 328 million people). Do you feel living at "Great Terror of Trump" times, heh? )))))))))

The number of Poles who died due to Soviet repressions in the period 1939-1941 is estimated as at least 150,000.[3][5]

Do you know, how many of this Poles were in reality a soldiers of Wehrmacht and members of Policei, repressed jews?
Ok, also we "repressed" a millions of same Germans, fought against USSR in Wehrmacht and SS...
Why do you think SS built their "camps of death" only at own and at Poland territory? Having a lot of other European territories?

In 1940 and the first half of 1941, the Soviets deported a total of more than 1,200,000 Poles in four waves of mass deportations from the Soviet-occupied Polish territories.

Oh, about this topic I don't know so much, it's interesting, how it was really, because deportation of 1.2 millions people to Siberia is a very serious transport problem. I'm afraid, all Siberian railroad system of before-war time wasn't able to give resources to do it :-\

So, now I understand, why Stalin was worse than Hitler. He just deported Poles, instead of "complete colution of jews problem" by Hitler...

I don't consider Stalin to be worse than Hitler. Certainly I consider him to be more like Hitler than not. Stalin ordered the murder of millions of Ukrainians, Poles, Russians and Germans. The only reason Stalin is remembered differently than Hitler is because the Soviet Union was considered an ally.

But sure- keep on defending the mass murderer Stalin. Whatever gives you your jollies.

As for me and other millions of Russians - in fact, Stalin gave us a chance not to be a victim of "humanitarian act" of murder of civilians by US air strikes, from Japan to Belgrade (Operation Dropshot - Wikipedia) I'm just a civilian Russian and I don't want to die as a result of hate from a lot of western politiсs...

Yep- your hero Stalin was a peach of a guy.

Stalin killed millions. A Stanford historian answers the question, was it genocide?

Stalin had nearly a million of his own citizens executed, beginning in the 1930s. Millions more fell victim to forced labor, deportation, famine, massacres, and detention and interrogation by Stalin’s henchmen.

A pretty doublethink! How could you at the same time to condemn intervention in USA elections and internal deals of USSR both?

Pretty easy to condemn both. Why can't you condemn the murder of a million Soviet citizens and Russian intervention in U.S. elections?

Here- let me show you an example- I can condemn the United State's attempt to intervene during the Russian Civil War by sending troops onto Russian soil in 1918. We had no business being there, just as Russia had no business having hackers trying to influence the American election.

 

[Litwin]

""Ukrainian" famine, it was "USSR famine", my grandma told me about it" too much vodka or you are on Krokodil all day long ?

Holodomor - Wikipedia

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The Holodomor was a man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine in 1932 and 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians. It is also known as the Terror-Famine and ...
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[Cassandro]

I can condemn the United State's attempt to intervene during the Russian Civil War by sending troops onto Russian soil in 1918. We had no business being there, just as Russia had no business having hackers trying to influence the American election.

Did you condemn Obama's blatant interference in the Israeli elections?

 

[rightwinger]

Without the Eastern Front occupying most of the German Army, D-Day would have been impossible.

its a stalinists myth, USA had 50% world GDP and 95% of world high tech GDP in 1945. Germany had 0 chance much like Koba´s ussr

Without USSR occupying most of Germany’s army, the D Day invasion would have been a massacre costing hundreds of thousands more US lives
I don’t know if the US would have tolerated it

Without the Eastern Front, the US would not have launched D-Day, at that time, at least.

I agree

We waited two and a half years to invade as it is

 

[rightwinger]

I can condemn the United State's attempt to intervene during the Russian Civil War by sending troops onto Russian soil in 1918. We had no business being there, just as Russia had no business having hackers trying to influence the American election.

Did you condemn Obama's blatant interference in the Israeli elections?

Voicing an opinion is not interfering