Vladimir Putin justified Hitler’s invasion of Poland … starting WWII. The whole world must denounce this.

[whitehall]

I doubt it. Russia was our ally in WW2. FDR referred to the monster Joe Stalin as "uncle Joe".

 

[surada]

What makes something right wing?

If being racist makes them right wing and wanting full control over everything, then OK.

Whatever you want to call them, right after you redefine what women are I suppose.

There are no dates by your quotes.

In 1933 Hitler purged the German government of Socialists, Communists, Democrats and Jews.

 

[Litwin]

There are no dates by your quotes.

In 1933 Hitler purged the German government of Socialists, Communists, Democrats and Jews.

with Koba´s full support ....

 

[Litwin]

Russia was our ally in WW2.

RT.ru lie

the reality :

even ussr´s empire was Nazi ally in WW2.

 

[irosie91]

Here is an excerpt of an article by an independent South African newspaper publisher criticizing his own government’s support to Vladimir Putin. It deals with one terrible and truly insane aspect of the mad “history lesson” Putin recently gave to our own rightwing “infotainer” Tucker Carlson. I reproduce a short part of it here hoping it will help some of our own Putin apologists to calmly reconsider where their infatuation with strongman authoritarian “Putinism” is actually leading them.

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Our government’s great friend Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is no ordinary politician.

He is a product — and seemingly still a prisoner — of the Cold War. In his Soviet years, history was something to reimagine and rewrite according to the current needs and ideologies.

So when he referred to the events of September 1939, with [Tucker] Carlson sporting his trademark clueless face, he did not talk about the inconvenience of the Soviet Union invading the very same “stubborn” Poland from the east, just 16 days after Hitler’s forces did.

He did not say anything about the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact which aligned Stalin’s Soviet Union with Hitler’s Nazi Germany and was signed on 23 August 1939; it led to the occupation of Poland by both Germany and USSR …

He did not talk about the 22,000 Polish officers and intelligentsia prisoners of war murdered in the Katyn forest by the Soviet army [in April-May, 1940].

(Eventually, some 20-27 million Soviet people died in the war — including Putin’s elder brother — after Hitler attacked the USSR on 22 June 1941. Together with 6 million Poles and an estimated 6 million Jews across different countries, between 70 and 85 million people perished in those six years of madness.)

Today, Putin is happy to rewrite history, incomprehensibly accuse Ukraine and Poland of being heirs to Nazism, and invest billions into his state propaganda machinery to make his fiction permanent.

Two years after he attacked Ukraine, he can still count on South Africa as a steady and loyal ally. We’ve helped the Russians in every way possible, including causing possibly lasting damage to our international reputation within the circle of the world’s democracies.

Our government has been a friend where many a more circumspect country would have given up.

Putin justified Hitler’s invasion of Poland; South Africa must denounce him

My utterly invaluable take on Putin is------if you don't know that Pootie
is a seriously mad imperialist murdering pitbull type dog----your outlook is
LIMITED to a USA public school education person.

 

[irosie91]

Part of the problem here is, the former USSR was an "Ally" of the US during WW2.

So, even though Stalin invaded Poland with Hitler at the same time, thus just as guilty, and even though Stalin had more people murdered during WW2 than Hitler, the former USSR avoided all the bad press that the Nazi regime received

As a result, Nazism today is universally condemned with their ideology and political leanings made illegal in some countries, and rightly so. However, it is hip to be a Marxist around the world even though Marxism has murdered hundreds of millions more people in the world today than Nazism, not even close.

That is why you have idiots at Black Lives Matter say they are self-described Marxists, even though Marx was an ardent racist and despite the horrific history of Marxism in the world today.

In short, Putin is not the only one living on revisionist history, the entire US and Western world appears to be doing the same.

I am fascinated and not DENYING it----but do you have a link for MARX, himself, being a "racist" ?? My impression of Marx is----just "economic
theory" ????? Lots of people were back then---many Russians---some
jerk named BAKUNIN wrote extensively---a really dry book from my college
years-----19th century stuff

 

[Ringo]

 

[Litwin]

 

[jwoodie]

… I can’t get one passage out of my mind. In the history-lecture portion of the interview, when Putin got to 1939, he said, “Poland cooperated with Germany, but then it refused to comply with Hitler’s demands… By not ceding the Danzig Corridor to Hitler, Poles forced him, they overplayed their hand and they forced Hitler to start the Second World War by attacking Poland.” …

This is historically correct. Poland was carved out of German/Russian territories by the Treaty of Versailles. East Prussia was cut off from the rest of Germany. The Poles did cooperate with the Germans regarding limited rail access to East Prussia, but not to the (formerly) German city of Danzig. After Britain promised them military aid in March 1939, the Poles became more intransigent in their dealings with Germany on these issues. With Stalin's concurrence, Hitler decided to take back these formerly German areas by invading Western Poland on September 1, 1939. Stalin took back Eastern Poland 16 days later.

It should be noted that virtually all of Germany's military actions had been to recover previously German/Austrian territories. Britain declared war on Germany (but not the USSR) to prevent this. Hitler's ultimate goal was to subjugate Western Russia, but his quest for "world domination" was an invention of British propaganda.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

This is historically correct. Poland was carved out of German/Russian territories by the Treaty of Versailles. East Prussia was cut off from the rest of Germany. The Poles did cooperate with the Germans regarding limited rail access to East Prussia, but not to the (formerly) German city of Danzig. After Britain promised them military aid in March 1939, the Poles became more intransigent in their dealings with Germany on these issues. With Stalin's concurrence, Hitler decided to take back these formerly German areas by invading Western Poland on September 1, 1939. Stalin took back Eastern Poland 16 days later.

I wonder what you are implying by saying …

“Poland was carved out of German/Russian territories by the Treaty of Versailles.”

The Prussian, Austrian and Russian empires together had much earlier (after the French Revolution and during the “Concert of Europe”) not only carved up but then altogether wiped an independent Polish state off the map … for some 123 years before its re-appearance after WWI.

I hope you are not thinking that this was in any way democratic, or that the Polish people and language and (modern) right to self-determination disappeared or was rightfully subordinated to Prussian, German or Russian imperialism/nationalisms during this whole reactionary period.

I wouldn’t want to go into the complex history of Poland’s carving up, disappearance as a state and national renewal after WWI, nor make assumptions about your seemingly (to me) somewhat selective pro-German (Germany of course was Nazi at the time) take on the Danzig corridor issue.

But for those interested I offer this rather amusing article — which I came across when researching the background of one of my own ancestors. It nicely separates out the differences between Poland’s changing national borders over time — and for 123 years the total lack of an independent Polish state — and the reality of “Polish ethnicity”：

Those Infamous Border Changes: A Crash Course in Polish History

Also the following Wiki article sheds light on more recent Polish history, especially the establishment of the Second Polish Republic (Oct. 1918), and its eventual destruction by the Nazi invasion from the West (and Stalinist Russia’s following invasion/occupation from the East) in 1939:

Second Polish Republic - Wikipedia .

I’m not sure if you are really disagreeing with me or not on these issues. I certainly hope you are not defending Putin’s reactionary pro- “old fashioned Empire” take on this question.

 

[whitehall]

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FDR referred to Stalin as Uncle Joe.

 

[jwoodie]

I wonder what you are implying by saying …

I wonder what you are implying by that statement...

 

[Litwin]

FDR referred to Stalin as Uncle Joe.

so what ? lenin called Iosif Dzhugashvili for koba

 

[Meathead]

Putin said one thing during the Carsen interview that was correct. Carsen asked him why he did not present more to the general media to help clear his name. Putin asked him why he did not know that the general media is controlled by people other than him who were is adversary, so the endeavor would be fruitless.

I'm not saying what the media says about Putin is all incorrect, but his point was spot on.

The media is just as guilty about disinformation as Putin.

Carlsen?, as in Tucker?

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

I wonder what you are implying by that statement...

You are still not being clear. I was asking for clarification.

I’m still not 100% sure if your comment “This was historically correct” referred to my view of the matter, or to Putin’s anti-Polish and pro-Nazi view of the matter expressed in the immediate preceding sentence … “Poles forced him, they overplayed their hand and they forced Hitler to start the Second World War by attacking Poland.”

If you agree that Poland somehow “forced [Hitler] to start the Second World War” then I think you are as bonkers as Putin. It seems to me you are both mimicking Nazi propaganda of those times, but don’t want to admit it. I also see clear signs of German ultra-nationalist, imperialist or even fascist apologetics in the last paragraph of your comment #49.

 

[jwoodie]

You are still not being clear. I was asking for clarification.

I’m still not 100% sure if your comment “This was historically correct” referred to my view of the matter, or to Putin’s anti-Polish and pro-Nazi view of the matter expressed in the immediate preceding sentence … “Poles forced him, they overplayed their hand and they forced Hitler to start the Second World War by attacking Poland.”

If you agree that Poland somehow “forced [Hitler] to start the Second World War” then I think you are as bonkers as Putin. It seems to me you are both mimicking Nazi propaganda of those times, but don’t want to admit it. I also see clear signs of German ultra-nationalist, imperialist or even fascist apologetics in the last paragraph of your comment #49.

As usual, everything I post is 100% factually correct. If you find some facts to be inconvenient, that is your problem.

 

[surada]

So, they called themselves socialists but were not? And you call me the clown? Just read their quotes moron.

The only thing that did not make them socialists is that they had enough sense to know that bureaucrats taking over corporations was probably not that good of an idea, especially since bureaucrats can't even run government efficiently, let alone private enterprise. Because of this, the Nazi model was better than the Communist model of running economies.

At the same time, Hitler controlled those corporations, which is why he saw no need to take them over in name and run all of their affairs himself.

As Hitler said, "Why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people"? Let the experts be the experts you can never be so long as you have control over them.

This is the model Progressives use today as they control corporate American with things like ESG.

Now they all sound woke like Biden.

Hitler split from the socialists in 1926. In 1933 he purged the government of Socialists, Communists, Jews and Democrats.

He put socialists in Dachau.

Hitler was a hard right conservative... Nationalistic, racist and Fascist.

 

[dudmuck]

So, they called themselves socialists but were not? And you call me the clown? Just read their quotes moron.

The only thing that did not make them socialists is that they had enough sense to know that bureaucrats taking over corporations was probably not that good of an idea, especially since bureaucrats can't even run government efficiently, let alone private enterprise. Because of this, the Nazi model was better than the Communist model of running economies.

At the same time, Hitler controlled those corporations, which is why he saw no need to take them over in name and run all of their affairs himself.

As Hitler said, "Why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people"? Let the experts be the experts you can never be so long as you have control over them.

This is the model Progressives use today as they control corporate American with things like ESG.

Now they all sound woke like Biden.

in the early days of the nazis, prior to them having any power, they had to appeal to the working class. This is why the nazis had this name. A socialist faction of nazis developed called strasserism, but Hitler opposed it. By the time nazis hat power in the early 30s, Hitler snuffed out strasserism, and there was no socialism in the nazis any more.

another example ... Do you think the DPRK is democratic? North Korea has democracy in their name, so they must be democratic, right.

 

[Ringo]

 

[surada]

in the early days of the nazis, prior to them having any power, they had to appeal to the working class. This is why the nazis had this name. A socialist faction of nazis developed called strasserism, but Hitler opposed it. By the time nazis hat power in the early 30s, Hitler snuffed out strasserism, and there was no socialism in the nazis any more.

another example ... Do you think the DPRK is democratic? North Korea has democracy in their name, so they must be democratic, right.

Great post. Hitler split from the socialists in 1926.