Zone1 Paying Reparations for the Past

[irosie91]

These excuses don't have any merit.

what "excuses" Just saying "no merit" is meaningless

 

[irosie91]

Figure it out, because the evidence is available in any search engine.

Ok I figured it out. The USA government did not
invent slavery

 

[IM2]

You were never a slave but the democrat party still believes they own you. Now back to your history your ancestors became slaves because they were the weaker tribe and sold into slavery by blacks in Africa.

Since this is not just about slavery and the africans selling each other story did not happen as you describe, along with the fact that none of the native americans in the OP endured what happened in the 1800's and other native Americans would scout with the white man to help them in wars against other native americans and they still got reparations, your post is just more silly bs.

 

[IM2]

what "excuses" Just saying "no merit" is meaningless

Every word you posted. Your argument has no merit on it's face and your opinion about me saying that does not change that reality.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Since this is not just about slavery and the africans selling each other story did not happen as you describe, along with the fact that none of the native americans in the OP endured what happened in the 1800's and other native Americans would scout with the white man to help them in wars against other native americans and they still got reparations, your post is just more silly bs.

If it not about slavery then your thread should be closed. You are owed nothing get your lazy ass to work

 

[irosie91]

Every word you posted. Your argument has no merit on it's face and your opinion about me saying that does not change that reality.

you wax brilliant

 

[IM2]

Ok I figured it out. The USA government did not
invent slavery

Let's stop playing the dumb white people game. The U.S. government(s) at every level legalized slavery,, jim crow apartheid, restrictive covenants, redlining and various other tactics. You know this.

 

[LOIE]

American indians did not "own land" Land ownership has been attained thru PURCHASE
for thousands of Years------squatting nomadic
tribes do not "own" land any more than did Gypsies
in Great Britain who established communities on
riverbanks. Lots of difficult situations but that
"STOLEN" BS is overdone

From the website Grand Canyon Trust: "Native peoples have existed here since the beginning of time, according to our cosmologies. As white colonists moved West to stake their claim on tribal territories, they forced out Native populations.

The idea of “owning” land is a foreign concept for Native peoples. The land is sentient. It encompasses many life forms and spaces. It holds immense energy. From a Native perspective one cannot “own” land, yet one may live with the land. Our regenerative relationships to land are based on generations of deep interconnectedness that have been taught through our cosmologies, ceremonies, and languages. Native peoples acknowledge that these on-going connections require responsibilities to the natural world. We provide offerings and prayers to the land for its healing. Traditional teachings instruct us to maintain deep respect for land, life, and our four-legged and winged relatives — all our relations."

My thought has always been that it was wrong to decide that the earth was for sale. When folks came to this land and found people already here, from whom did they purchase portions of land? Who got to decide how to break up the land and sell portions of it? And who got to decide who qualified as a land owner? And who gave them the have authority to do so?

 

[LOIE]

The government didn't own slaves and plantations, people did.

And the government is of the people. Many presidents and congressmen owned slaves as individuals and the laws of the governing body deemed it legal to do so.

 

[IM2]

If it not about slavery then your thread should be closed. You are owed nothing get your lazy ass to work

Since white atrocities continue after slavery, reparations are not just about slavery and blacks today have been impacted by continuing white racism. Again, you guys really do not have any logical objections.

 

[westwall]

I have provided evidence.

No, you have provided opinion. And when you have provided evidence it has REFUTED what you claimed. The black GI was USING HIS GI BILL BENEFITS TO BUY THE HOUSE.

The asshole seller is the one who refused to do the deal.

DURRRRRR

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Since white atrocities continue after slavery, reparations are not just about slavery and blacks today have been impacted by continuing white racism. Again, you guys really do not have any logical objections.

Slavery still exist in Africa. Maintained by blacks in Africa. But the democrat party still believes that they own you.

 

[irosie91]

Slavery still exist in Africa. Maintained by blacks in Africa. But the democrat party still believes that they own you.

so true------slavery is not a "WHITE" atrocity. It is
an atrocity that has existed thruout the world and the
color spectrum. BLACK Mauritania still does slavery

 

[Lastamender]

We'll take our case to the U.S. government since the US government made slavery, apartheid and every other violation we face possible.

According to the 1619 crap slavery was there before there was a US government. You are stepping on your own argument.

Getting paid for something that did not happen to you by people who did nothing to you is ridiculous.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

so true------slavery is not a "WHITE" atrocity. It is
an atrocity that has existed thruout the world and the
color spectrum. BLACK Mauritania still does slavery

 

[woodwork201]

The government made slavery, jim crow and other policies.

You guys just don't have any logical arguments.

No, the government didn't make slavery. Sadly, they did make a lot of racist laws including those known collectively as Jim Crow. But slavery was created by those European and African countries that now try to pretend that slavery of Africans in America was a United States thing.

Slavery was created by the British government, along with the governments of the Netherlands, Portugal, and various African nations and tribes. The beginning of the end of slavery came with the adoption of the United States Constitution.

 

[Mac-7]

American indians did not "own land" Land ownership has been attained thru PURCHASE
for thousands of Years------squatting nomadic
tribes do not "own" land any more than did Gypsies
in Great Britain who established communities on
riverbanks. Lots of difficult situations but that
"STOLEN" BS is overdone

I am in the middle on that

THe Indians did occupy the land till the euros reached north America

And our government conceded that by making treaties with the natives

And we reneged on most of those treaties

But that was par for the course during that era of history

Now we cant give the land back

Nor should we

The world has moved on since the Stone Age and American Indians have to move on too

 

[IM2]

Racism has cost Black Americans $70 trillion since the start of slavery — here's how that cost breaks down​

The 'Black Tax' starts with slavery​

"The wealth gap between Black and white America was first established through 250 years of unpaid labor. While it's hard to quantify the exact cost of slave labor, Rochester said economists have estimated anywhere from $24 to $97 trillion of labor was extracted from enslaved Africans from 1619 to 1865, so he uses an average number of $50 trillion in his calculations. And while Black people built this country with free labor, they haven't been on the receiving end of America's wealth.

"In terms of the proportional amount of the Black population actually owning part of the economy, that doesn't exist. That's just based on the legacy of slavery and colonialism. In the United States, Black people only own about 2% of US wealth."

We are 13 percent of the population as the racists here are so quick to say when they want to talk about inherent black violence and think thats not racist. So if we are 13 percent, we should have 13 percent of the wealth. We do not have that and it is not for any of the reasons stated by right wing members of this forum.

Black Americans were denied access to government-sponsored wealth-building tools​

"For centuries, Black Americans have been left out of government programs designed to help citizens build wealth.

In 1863, Black Americans were denied access to the Homestead Act, which promised 160 acres of land to citizens in exchange for a small fee and five years of cultivating the land. Over 70 years, 1.6 million mostly white homesteaders claimed 270 million acres — about 10% of US land — valued at $1.6 trillion.

Many Black Americans were also excluded from the Social Security Act in 1935 — agricultural and domestic workers were left out of the act — resulting in a $143 billion loss to the community. Through a payroll tax, the Social Security Act provided unemployment benefits and financial benefits to retired workers over 65. And the GI Bill in 1944 — which effectively excluded Black veterans — provided funds for college education, housing, and unemployment insurance, and cost Black Americans another $45 billion."

Black enterprise was never allowed to thrive​

"Each of these government programs designed to help Americans build wealth was withheld from Black people, causing each generation to fall further behind. But even when Black people have tried to start their own businesses and networks to create wealth, their progress has been blocked or dismantled, often violently.

Rochester said, "Throughout history, we've had massive, intentional disruptions in the growth and development of Black businesses. You've also had massive deprivation of [Black] customers. When you start talking about post-emancipation and entering the early 1900s to the middle 1900s, you have Black people relegated to the lowest-paying occupations in the country, which has nothing to do with skill or capabilities. So now you starve the customers and resources, and it's very difficult for businesses to thrive."

"To get to the $70 trillion estimate, Rochester added the trillions lost during the Jim Crow and Civil Rights eras, noting that from the 1870s to 1960s, Black people were racially and economically segregated and excluded from participating in the American economy as equal citizens."

The 'Black Tax' today​

"Today, Rochester says the "Black Tax" is perpetuated by a conscious and unconscious bias against Black people, and it happens in almost every area of life."

"Black people face discrimination getting hired, and face a wage gap when they do get hired. A study found that white applicants are 50% more likely to get a callback for a job based on their name alone. In terms of wages, Black employees with a bachelor's degree earn, on average, $50,108 compared to their white coworkers' $61,176."

Racism has cost Black Americans $70 trillion since the start of slavery — here's how that cost breaks down

Shawn Rochester, author of "The Black Tax," explains how slavery, government-sponsored wealth-building programs, and more, have cost Black Americans.

www.businessinsider.com

You guys do not have any logical arguments to offer in opposition. More and more people recognize this once the facts are presented. The day WILL come that reparations will be paid.

 

[IM2]

No, the government didn't make slavery. Sadly, they did make a lot of racist laws including those known collectively as Jim Crow. But slavery was created by those European and African countries that now try to pretend that slavery of Africans in America was a United States thing.

Slavery was created by the British government, along with the governments of the Netherlands, Portugal, and various African nations and tribes. The beginning of the end of slavery came with the adoption of the United States Constitution.

The government made slavery legal in America. Don't play that stupid white --- bs. Africans did not make U.S laws. So if slavery was just an African thing then it would never had happened here. Your argument makes me laught.

 

[IM2]

I am in the middle on that

THe Indians did occupy the land till the euros reached north America

And our government conceded that by making treaties with the natives

And we reneged on most of those treaties

But that was par for the course during that era of history

Now we cant give the land back

Nor should we

The world has moved on since the Stone Age and American Indians have to move on too

Excuses. And sorry ass excuses at that.