Zone1 Paying Reparations for the Past

[Mac-7]

Excuses. And sorry ass excuses at that.

You’re crazy

I am agreeing with the Indians

you expect me to hate America as much as you do

But instead i dont hate my country at all

 

[LOIE]

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The Origins of American Slavery from AP Central: (The bolding is mine so in case someone does not like to read too much, they will not miss the really important parts which address the above about slavery not being exclusive to white people. It points out aspects of American Slavery that do indeed differ from that of other places.)

Over the course of the Middle Ages, Christians always committed awful atrocities on each other, but increasingly they avoided enslaving one another. Apparently, a sense of unity had emerged in Christian Europe that effectively barred the enslavement of those deemed fellow Europeans. Christianity's long struggle with Islam no doubt played a major role in this development. That from 1500 to 1800 Muslims enslaved well over a million Western Europeans, many of whom were subsequently ransomed and celebrated as symbols of freedom, was a major element in the growing sense that Europeans should never be slaves. Nevertheless, these so-called free labor nations would develop some of the harshest slave regimes in the Americas. As David Brion Davis puts it, "it is an astonishing paradox that the first nations in the world to free themselves of chattel slavery—such nations as England, France, Holland, and even the Scandinavian states—became leaders during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries in supporting plantation colonies based on African slave labor."

If the sheer availability of African slaves and the lack of available alternatives is the primary explanation for the development of racial slavery in the New World, did racism have nothing to do with it? Did antiblack racism or protoracism point particularly to African slaves to supply the immense labor demands of the New World? Or did racism intensify only after long-term interaction with black slaves had occurred? Was it there from the beginning, or was it a consequence? This is a complicated subject, and space will not permit a full accounting here. Ancient Greco-Roman art and writing offers caricatures of black Africans, although their relative scarcity is perhaps most telling. Medieval images of Africans ranged from the black magis to agents of the Devil. In various settings—in medieval Europe where peasants were often depicted as "black" because of working in the sun and in close proximity to dirt, or in modern Russia where noblemen even claimed that Russian serfs had black bones—blackness and debasement had a long connection. In western culture the color black evokes a highly negative symbolism, conjuring up images of death and sin.

New World slavery's other most distinctive aspect was its highly commercial character. While it is true that plantations—that is, large agricultural enterprises, managed for profit, producing a crop for export, with a hierarchically stratified labor organization—existed outside the New World, they reached their apogee there. The economies of scale, the expansion in unit size, the almost exclusive use of black slaves, a highly regimented and commodified labor force, and a system of close management all raised profit levels significantly. Such a productive system placed enormous demands on its laborers. As early as the 1630s a visitor to a Jesuit-owned sugar plantation in Brazil vividly described the unbearable horror of what had transpired: "People the color of the very night, working briskly and moaning at the same time without a moment of peace or rest, whoever sees all the confused and noisy machinery and apparatus of this Babylon, even if they have seen Mt. Etna and Vesuvius will say that this indeed is the image of Hell"

Variations over time and space existed within New World slavery. Three stand out. First, although all New World regions imported more African men than women (thereby in part explaining the harshness of New World slavery because of the policing problems associated with large gangs of men), over time the gender ratio among New World slaves became increasingly balanced. In that regard, the North American slave population is most notable, because, as its number of slave women increased the most rapidly, so it became one of the few self-reproducing slave populations in world history. This early and rapid natural increase explains why North America received such a small percentage of the overall transatlantic slave trade—about 5 percent. Second, North America was also distinctive in being much less tolerant of racial intermixture than Latin America or the Caribbean. Once again demography—particularly the ratio of white men to white women (more balanced in North America than in Latin America and the Caribbean) and the availability of black women—was a crucial part of the explanation, but also important were the role of the Church and cultural mores, based as much in Old World patterns of racial coexistence or segregation. The Spanish had mixed with Muslims for centuries; the English had created a Pale in their settlement of Ireland. Only in North America did the extremely arbitrary concept of "Negro"—denoting anyone with allegedly visible African ancestry—assume such a marked stigma. Third, the chances of gaining freedom varied from one society to the next. Except for the period surrounding the American Revolution, the North American colonies, and later the states, imposed the severest restrictions on the chances of a slave becoming free. Again, demography—the proportions of whites and blacks in the population—has some explanatory power as do economic and cultural forces


Racial slavery played an intrinsic and indispensable part in New World settlement. The institution was no abnormality, no aberration, no marginal feature; rather, its development is the grim and irrepressible theme governing the development of the Western Hemisphere. The truly distinctive features of North American (and to varying degrees, New World) slavery were its racial bedrock and its thoroughly commercial character. Increasingly, the stark polarity between freedom and bondage became glaringly evident, for the debasement of slaves liberated others to take control of their destiny and to dream of liberty and equality. This profound contradiction lay at the heart of the United States, a country conceived in freedom but based on slavery. The American dream always had its dark underside. Yet the dreamers would eventually try to rid themselves of the nightmare—with considerable prodding from the victims, it might be added.

 

[Hellbilly]

The world has moved on since the Stone Age and American Indians have to move on too

No we don't, and we won't.

 

[IM2]

Westvall, you are disagreeing with documented fact.

 

[IM2]

No we don't, and we won't.

Some of these whites here are talking crazy.

 

[IM2]

You’re crazy

I am agreeing with the Indians

you expect me to hate America as much as you do

But instead i dont hate my country at all

I don't hate America and don't conflate white racism to mean America. I am not the crazy one here.

 

[irosie91]

Westvall, you are disagreeing with documented fact.

the stuff posted is not "DOCUMENTED FACT" ---it is an interpretation and opinion and conjecture on
history-----it is virtually HISTORIC REVISIONISM

 

[eagle1462010]

No. This is a case against the government.

It's called give me free shit because I say so..........even though I was never a slave and the people I'm demanding money from didn't own any.

LMAO Your a THIEF.

 

[eagle1462010]

I don't hate America and don't conflate white racism to mean America. I am not the crazy one here.

You are a racist from hell. And nothing more..........No one even needs to give someone like you the time of day.

 

[IM2]

It's called give me free shit because I say so..........even though I was never a slave and the people I'm demanding money from didn't own any.

LMAO Your a THIEF.

No, that's not what it's called. Your existence is evidence of why reparations are needed for things happening right now.

 

[IM2]

You are a racist from hell. And nothing more..........No one even needs to give someone like you the time of day.

Only according to white racists.

 

[eagle1462010]

No, that's not what it's called. Your existence is evidence of why reparations are needed for things happening right now.

BS. We don't owe you a damned thing. Get off your ass and go to work and stop being a begger.

 

[irosie91]

No, that's not what it's called. Your existence is evidence of why reparations are needed for things happening right now.

what's happening? Russia is invading the Ukraine?

 

[IM2]

the stuff posted is not "DOCUMENTED FACT" ---it is an interpretation and opinion and conjecture on
history-----it is virtually HISTORIC REVISIONISM

It's documented fact based on study and there is no revisionism involved.

 

[eagle1462010]

Only according to white racists.

Hell this screen on my computer is a White background, Even my damn computer screen is WACIST............You are boring me clown.

 

[IM2]

BS. We don't owe you a damned thing. Get off your ass and go to work and stop being a begger.

The governments of this nation owes blacks trillions.

 

[irosie91]

Only according to white racists.

good point----"WHITES" whether you call them
"racists" or not-----need not give you the time of day

 

[eagle1462010]

The governments of this nation owes blacks trillions.

We don't owe you a damned thing..............NOTHING..........I don't care how many times you yell racist.........Doesn't work here. We don't KNEEL HERE like the clowns on your side pushing RACE DIVISION and HATRED..............

You are part of the Cancer on this country.

 

[IM2]

Hell this screen on my computer is a White background, Even my damn computer screen is WACIST............You are boring me clown.

That's what YOU say. The color of a computer screen is irrelevant to me. Public policy is my concern. You are too dumb to read and understand such things so you make idiotic comments about computer screens.

 

[IM2]

good point----"WHITES" whether you call them
"racists" or not-----need not give you the time of day

What white racists like you don't want to give doesn't mean shit to me. So put me on ignore and stop posting responses to me.