Paul Skenes pulled after pitching 7 no-hit innings

[pknopp]

That doesn't make any sense.

The Managers of MLB teams did not make that decision. MLB did, and the players union made a concession in allowing it to get other things they wanted.

$$$$$$ and the fans lose.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

$$$$$$ and the fans lose.

I love the pitch clock rule. And the newer fans win.

 

[Meathead]

so then with your mind set we will never see another pitcher throw a no hitter....right?....

It's rarer today. But at 99 pitches for a rookie i in the 7th it ain't gonna happen.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The only thing bad about the pitch clock rule: if you go to the bathroom or to the concessions, you can miss 2 or 3 full innings.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Easy answer.

Skenes has never come close to pitching the amount of innings in a single year that he will log in a normal MLB season. They need to preserve his arm.

They want 10 years out of him, not just one game.

Im convinced the Yankees destroyed Joba Chamberlain with the same modern thinking.

It's not like the arm only has 3,000 pitches or whatever

 

[MarathonMike]

and many of these kids are 6'6 230 pounds like skenes....a lot bigger and stronger thats why they throw 10 mph faster than the players in the past....one game aint going to destroy the kid........

Have you ever heard of Kerry Wood? Is this the future you want for Skenes? After his rookie season his arm blew up the next year. He was never the same. And Wood is not a one-off. Like I said 36 PERCENT OF ALL MLB PITCHERS have had Tommy John surgeries. Without Tommy John every last one of them their careers would be over.

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[Fort Fun Indiana]

Im convinced the Yankees destroyed Joba Chamberlain with the same modern thinking.

Then ask yourself how many careers they extended. How many quality starts they got out of guys in August and September playoff races that would otherwise have had dead arms.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Have you ever heard of Kerry Wood? Is this the future you want for Skenes? After his rookie season his arm blew up the next year. He was never the same. And Wood is not a one-off. Like I said 36 PERCENT OF ALL MLB PITCHERS have had Tommy John surgeries. Without Tommy John every last one of them their careers would be over.

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[CrusaderFrank]

Then ask yourself how many careers they extended. How many quality starts they got out of guys in August and September playoff races that would otherwise have had dead arms.

I blame Earl Weaver for this, but it was inevitable anyway.

The statisticians sucked the Soul from the game and made it an accounting lesson.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I blame Earl Weaver for this, but it was inevitable anyway.

The statisticians sucked the Soul from the game and made it an accounting lesson.

Well that's one take. Know why the statisticians changed the game?

Because it works.

When I was a kid, the FIRST stat I looked at was BA.

The statisticians have shown that it's just about a worthless stat.

For example.

 

[pknopp]

Well that's one take. Know why the statisticians changed the game?

Because it works.

When I was a kid, the FIRST stat I looked at was BA.

The statisticians have shown that it's just about a worthless stat.

For example.

How many playoff games did "Moneyball" win for the A's?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

How many playoff games did "Moneyball" win for the A's?

The point is to GET to the playoffs, where anything can happen.

So instead look at how many regular season games they won with that low budget.

Even the teams who have big budgets practice the moneyball principles with their cheaper players.

Look at the standings. Compare them to the budget rankings. Moneyball is alive and well.

 

[pknopp]

The point is to GET to the playoffs, where anything can happen.

And the A's rarely did.

So instead look at how many regular season games they won with that low budget.

Even the teams who have big budgets practice the moneyball principles with their cheaper players.

Look at the standings. Compare them to the budget rankings. Moneyball is alive and well.

Those who spend the money are still at the top with a random team here and there.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

And the A's rarely did.

Show us a set of principles by which they would have had a better record with those very low budgets.

You wont, because it doesn't exist. Else you would be a rich man.

A better and more accurate comparison would be to compare the season wins per every "extra" dollar spent. Which moneyball had a positive effect on. Which is why other teams adopted the statistical scheme.

Those who spend the money are still at the top with a random team here and there.

Guardians: 28th in payroll

Brewers: 23rd

2 of 6 division leaders.

And not all teams have the option to spend big. They instead rely more heavily on sabremetrics.

Else your exaggerated version of reality would BE reality, every season.

 

[pknopp]

Show us a set of principles by which they would have had a better record with those very low budgets.

You wont, because it doesn't exist. Else you would be a rich man.

A better and more accurate comparison would be to compare the season wins per every "extra" dollar spent. Which moneyball had a positive effect on. Which is why other teams adopted the statistical scheme.





Guardians: 28th in payroll

Brewers: 23rd

2 of 6 division leaders.

And not all teams have the option to spend big. They instead rely more heavily on sabremetrics.

Else your exaggerated version of reality would BE reality, every season.

Sabremetrics or good scouts?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It's also a great system for showing which players are overrated or underrated. Because our lying eyes deceive us.

Like Derek Jeter, defensively. Totally overrated, defensively. This doesn't mean you don't play him. But it does affect what he is paid and how you make decisions at other positions.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Sabremetrics or good scouts?

Scouts are more subjective. That's why owners were so happy to find an objective system to use alongside.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The statisticians sucked the Soul from the game and made it an accounting lesson.

I don't really feel this, when watching a game. Other than being puzzled by a lot of the lineups that managers run out there. Which can be chalked up to me not knowing 1% of what they know.

 

[22lcidw]

He will not be in Pittsburgh long if he is for real. And if the athlete is better, they seem to be more injured than in another era. Are their bodies to tuned up to maximum abilities? And tweaking injuries due to it? We live with money today. That is at the top of the whole spectrum. All of those pitchers who ate up innings in the past and now it is near opposite.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Justin Steele left after 7 IP of 2-hit ball yesterday. He threw just 70 pitches.

(Cubs were up 8-0)