STATISTCAL TRANSCENDENCE #3: Nolan Ryan

[Mr. Friscus]

His ENTIRE LIFE is trolling this site. He has made fifty posts a day, 365 days a year, EACH AND EVERY DAY FOR ALMOST FIFTEEN YEARS.

Speaking of statistical transcendence… that should be my next thread in the series

Needs a hobby it appears. He’s definitely a political troll

 

[rightwinger]

I’ve seen you poo-poo strikeouts as just an out.. but strikeouts are preferred at a team level because runners can’t advance. An out isn’t an out. Groundouts cause runner advancement and occasional errors. Fly outs cause sacrifice flies. Ryan’s dominant strikeout pitching puts him above another pitcher who gets less of them

An out is still an out.

Strikeouts don’t result in a double play, a ground ball will
Strikeout pitchers have to throw more pitches to get an out, you can get a pop-up or ground ball out on one pitch

Bases loaded nobody out, you want a strikeout
Bases loaded one out, you want a ground ball

 

[rightwinger]

For some reason he appears to have a weird hang-up on Nolan Ryan. I get thinking a guy might be overrated, and people have that right to say generally, but this climbs above that. there’s some desperation here with very weak points and statistical blinders on

I have watched Baseball since 1964.
I saw Ryan come up with the Mets. Nolan Ryan was a dominating Pitcher for a long time….but not the best I saw. Not in my top five

 

[Harry Dresden]

In many ways, Ryan was his own worst enemy and while he led the league in strikeouts, he also led in walks

he also said he feels he has to go out a pitch a great game every time because one bad pitch and loses....

 

[Harry Dresden]

1973 Jim Palmer had more wins, lower ERA and more shutouts than Ryan

the Orioles of 73 won 97 games and finished first in their division....the 73 Angeles won 74 and finished 4th.....

 

[rightwinger]

the Orioles of 73 won 97 games and finished first in their division....the 73 Angeles won 74 and finished 4th.....

Which has nothing to do with ERA or shutouts

 

[Harry Dresden]

I have watched Baseball since 1964.
I saw Ryan come up with the Mets. Nolan Ryan was a dominating Pitcher for a long time….but not the best I saw. Not in my top five

if Ryan was on either the Yankees,A's or Cincinnati in the 70's ....he would be considered one of the best ever....and would have had a few more no hitters....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Which has nothing to do with ERA or shutouts

it has lot to do with winning games.....ryan lost a no hitter once going into the ninth inning 1-0.....one of those bad pitches.....

 

[rightwinger]

it has lot to do with winning games.....ryan lost a no hitter once going into the ninth inning 1-0.....one of those bad pitches.....

Ryan was a strikeout and no-hitter machine. Nobody has come close. But they haven’t come close on walks either.

A strikeout counts the same as a ground ball or pop fly.
A No-hitter with four walks has the same outcome as a shutout with two hits

 

[Harry Dresden]

Ryan was a strikeout and no-hitter machine. Nobody has come close. But they haven’t come close on walks either.

A strikeout counts the same as a ground ball or pop fly.
A No-hitter with four walks has the same outcome as a shutout with two hits

lifetime batting avg against ryan was .204....find someone better.....just think if he was on a team that could score runs.....

 

[rightwinger]

Two comparable pitchers with near equal ERAs

How do Greg Maddux and Nolan Ryan compare?

Do you want to compare Greg Maddux and Nolan Ryan? Review thier stats and see graphs comparing these players. You decide who's best!

www.jmanesaz.com

 

[rightwinger]

lifetime batting avg against ryan was .204....find someone better.....just think if he was on a team that could score runs.....

With 2795 Walks

 

[Harry Dresden]

With 2795 Walks

if they hardly scored against the guy what does a walk matter?.....i seen ryan have the bases loaded and then strike out the side...

 

[rightwinger]

if they hardly scored against the guy what does a walk matter?.....i seen ryan have the bases loaded and then strike out the side...

Ryan is also one of the all time leaders in Wild Pitches

Early in his career, Ryan was often his own worst enemy with walks and wild pitches costing him the game

 

[Harry Dresden]

Ryan is also one of the all time leaders in Wild Pitches

Early in his career, Ryan was often his own worst enemy with walks and wild pitches costing him the game

yea i already said that......its to bad the angels sucked so bad.....

 

[Mr. Friscus]

I have watched Baseball since 1964.
I saw Ryan come up with the Mets. Nolan Ryan was a dominating Pitcher for a long time….but not the best I saw. Not in my top five

Fair enough. I have players in sports that I think might be overrated.

It’s impossible to truly tell how valuable longetivity is. It’s easiest to compare how great people were based on their skills, but where is the cutoff as far as being able to maintain it over time? I think Bo Jackson is the most dominant running back the NFL has ever seen, but he didn’t last long enough to be considered in the greatest discussion.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

An out is still an out.

Strikeouts don’t result in a double play, a ground ball will
Strikeout pitchers have to throw more pitches to get an out, you can get a pop-up or ground ball out on one pitch

Bases loaded nobody out, you want a strikeout
Bases loaded one out, you want a ground ball

I would say at least 75% of the time in baseball the ideal outcome for a pitcher is a strikeout.

 

[rightwinger]

I would say at least 75% of the time in baseball the ideal outcome for a pitcher is a strikeout.

If I were a pitcher, I would rather get a one pitch ground out than a Strikeout

 

[Mr. Friscus]

If I were a pitcher, I would rather get a one pitch ground out than a Strikeout

If I were a team, I’d rather get a strikeout.. ground balls can be erratic, choppers can cause awkward singles, and errors can happen.

 

[rightwinger]

If I were a team, I’d rather get a strikeout.. ground balls can be erratic, choppers can cause awkward singles, and errors can happen.

Not what I see
I see teams obsessed with a pitch count. They want starters to go as deep in the game as they can. A pitcher getting out of an inning with only a few pitches saves the Bullpen