Paul Skenes pulled after pitching 7 no-hit innings

[Couchpotato]

how often is a pitcher pitching a no hitter in the 7th inning?...2 more innings aint going to hurt the guy......its good thing players like Nolan Ryan didnt play under you...

Again the people who are paid to know disagree with you. Like all of them.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Again the people who are paid to know disagree with you. Like all of them.

if that were true there would be no pitchers today having complete games....right now there have been 17 thus far....so some of those paid people agree with me....do you even follow baseball?...

 

[MarathonMike]

ok?....he isnt going to be throwing a no hitter every game.....and you can throw your arm out just as easily pitching 6 innings as you can 9....not many pitchers get to the eighth inning with a no hitter...

With all due respect, you don't know what you are talking about. There is a reason 36 percent of all major league pitchers have Tommy John to save their careers. Repetitive overhand throwing, especially high velocity pitchers is very damaging to the elbow and the shoulder depending on the pitchers body and mechanics. If you want to see another Kerry Wood flame out, fine. I and most other fans want to see exceptional talent like Skeens and Ohtani to be around 10 or 15 years not hampered by injuries. But you have your perspective and you are entitled to it,

 

[Harry Dresden]

With all due respect, you don't know what you are talking about. There is a reason 36 percent of all major league pitchers have Tommy John to save their careers. Repetitive overhand throwing, especially high velocity pitchers is very damaging to the elbow and the shoulder depending on the pitchers body and mechanics. If you want to see another Kerry Wood flame out, fine. I and most other fans want to see exceptional talent like Skeens and Ohtani to be around 10 or 15 years not hampered by injuries. But you have your perspective and you are entitled to it,

if a guy is pitching a no hitter after 7 and he feels ok,let him go....he may never get another chance again.....geezus you can pull him in all his regular games....the kid aint gonna get hurt....

 

[pknopp]

With all due respect, you don't know what you are talking about. There is a reason 36 percent of all major league pitchers have Tommy John to save their careers. Repetitive overhand throwing, especially high velocity pitchers is very damaging to the elbow and the shoulder depending on the pitchers body and mechanics. If you want to see another Kerry Wood flame out, fine. I and most other fans want to see exceptional talent like Skeens and Ohtani to be around 10 or 15 years not hampered by injuries. But you have your perspective and you are entitled to it,

Ohtani already can't pitch. He wasn't overused.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Ohtani already can't pitch. He wasn't overused.

he was hurt his first year....

 

[leftwinger]

Set by Leon Cadore and Joe Oeschger, respectively of the Brooklyn Dodgers and Boston Braves, who were the only pitchers in a 26-inning marathon on May 1, 1920 that ended in a 1–1 tie due to darkness. Many commentators have cited this record as unbreakable, noting that modern teams generally use more than one pitcher in a regulation game, much less one that goes into extra


At 15 pitches per inning...these guys both threw ~400 pitches each.

Try taking Gibson out. Many 0-0, 1-1 games into extra. He won't come out.
Nolan Ryan went over 200 pitches reportedly (235?).

 

[leftwinger]

Nowdays I guess they tell the starter....give me 6 innings full-bore or 100 pitches. Then thank you, bring in relief. Old days guys knew when they needed to go all-out I suppose? They could coast along a few innings?

This Skenes guy could have finished at 130 pitches at the pace he was going. No-hitters by a rookie? yawning. no big deal anymore?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Set by Leon Cadore and Joe Oeschger, respectively of the Brooklyn Dodgers and Boston Braves, who were the only pitchers in a 26-inning marathon on May 1, 1920 that ended in a 1–1 tie due to darkness. Many commentators have cited this record as unbreakable, noting that modern teams generally use more than one pitcher in a regulation game, much less one that goes into extra


At 15 pitches per inning...these guys both threw ~400 pitches each.

Try taking Gibson out. Many 0-0, 1-1 games into extra. He won't come out.
Nolan Ryan went over 200 pitches reportedly (235?).

Ryan pitched 13 innings in that game....

 

[Mr. Friscus]

my bad ... I confused Skenes with Biden .. its the 7th inning and the team is trying to pull him off the mound .

Well played LOL

 

[Mr. Friscus]

1. No Hitters are more common today
2. Pitchers put more strain on their shoulders/arms today to keep ahead of increasingly effective training techniques from hitters.
3. Pitchers often have pitched since they were children, almost year around, instead of being athletes who become pitchers.

I'm all for leaving a pitcher in, but working the field of physical therapy, I know that the human shoulder joint was not meant for such torque and movement until like 100 years ago... which in the history of humanity is like 1 second ago. The body often cannot catch up to the new demands. Some people are blessed with good genetics to provide stronger ligaments, tendons, and more cushioning of the shoulder... but not a majority. If you go for that higher "spin rate", you'll likely get injured.

 

[Blaster]

Why did they pull him???? WTF??

Arm fatigue according to the manager.

 

[jack3]

Cy Young quote.

I never warmed up ten, fifteen minutes before a game like most pitchers do. I'd loosen up, three, four minutes. Five at the outside. And I never went to the bullpen. Oh, I'd relieve all right, plenty of times, but I went right from the bench to the box, and I'd take a few warm-up pitches and be ready. Then I had good control. I aimed to make the batter hit the ball, and I threw as few pitches as possible. That's why I was able to work every other day

The Official Web Site of Cy Young: Quotes

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[Harry Dresden]

Cy Young quote.

I never warmed up ten, fifteen minutes before a game like most pitchers do. I'd loosen up, three, four minutes. Five at the outside. And I never went to the bullpen. Oh, I'd relieve all right, plenty of times, but I went right from the bench to the box, and I'd take a few warm-up pitches and be ready. Then I had good control. I aimed to make the batter hit the ball, and I threw as few pitches as possible. That's why I was able to work every other day

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cy young pitched in the dead ball era...big difference than modern baseball...

 

[pknopp]

Cy Young quote.

I never warmed up ten, fifteen minutes before a game like most pitchers do. I'd loosen up, three, four minutes. Five at the outside. And I never went to the bullpen. Oh, I'd relieve all right, plenty of times, but I went right from the bench to the box, and I'd take a few warm-up pitches and be ready. Then I had good control. I aimed to make the batter hit the ball, and I threw as few pitches as possible. That's why I was able to work every other day

The Official Web Site of Cy Young: Quotes

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Bob Feller said the same sort of thing. He said he wasn't trying to strike someone out. He was quickly trying to get someone to hit the ball to someone.

 

[Couchpotato]

if that were true there would be no pitchers today having complete games....right now there have been 17 thus far....so some of those paid people agree with me....do you even follow baseball?...

Steele 95 pitches
Estes 92
Sanchez 101
Stone 103
Ober 89
Gausman 109
Valdez 106
Garrett 95
Fried 105
Nola 109
Keller 109
Fried 92
Houck 94
Suarez 112
Blanco 105

6 of them had fewer than 100 pitches
none of them are rookies
none of them had 100 in the 7th inning.

Sanchez, Stone, Valdez Fried, and Blanco all went into the 9th under 100 pitches.

So no, you don't know more than the people who are paid to do this for a living and no they dont agree with you.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

you dont think that kid comes out knowing he doesnt have to go nine so he airs it out?....

It's about pitch count, not innings.

If he wants to go 9 innings, he needs to be more efficient.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

if that were true there would be no pitchers today having complete games.

The pitchers getting complete games aren't throwing 140 pitches. They are just getting to the 9th in fewer pitches.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

cy young pitched in the dead ball era...big difference than modern baseball...

Take any pitchers from that era, put them in baseball today, and they are in single A ball with a 7+ ERA. At best.

 

[Roy C]

I listen to a lot of John Smoltz when he does commentary on Fox games. He thinks the pitch count thing is just covering up what is really going on. Teams are wearing out their pitchers, and have been for the past ten years. Young players have to adapt to today's style. If they don't, then another young guy takes their place.

Smoltz blames management for all the injuries of pitchers. The pitch count thing is just smoke and mirrors for what is really going on.