Patton and MacArthur

[MaryL]

General Patton and Macarthur seemed prescient. Patton wanted to obliterate the Soviets, the "soviets" did side with Nazi Germany originally (1939 von Ribbentrop/Molotov pact) and they were problematic. Patton died in minor traffic accident in 45'. We move on MacArthur was fired in 51' for advocating use of nukes in Korea against the invading communist Chinese. In an alternate reality, what if we had...followed their advice?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Patton was assassinated by Stalin

 

[skye]

Talking about Patton....

I like this man, I like his way of thinking.

 

[eagle1462010]

Talking about Patton....

I like this man, I like his way of thinking.


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Exactly. Politicians get people killed..........Lose Wars.......

 

[Moonglow]

General Patton and Macarthur seemed prescient. Patton wanted to obliterate the Soviets, the "soviets" did side with Nazi Germany originally (1939 von Ribbentrop/Molotov pact) and they were problematic. Patton died in minor traffic accident in 45'. We move on MacArthur was fired in 51' for advocating use of nukes in Korea against the invading communist Chinese. In an alternate reality, what if we had...followed their advice?

I doubt we had any nukes to use.

 

[MaryL]

The von Ribbentrop/Molotov pact. And the Russians colluded with the Nazis...the Kaylyn massacre .Until then, mass murder was acceptable. Because Russians where allied with Nazis until operation Barbarossa.

 

[whitehall]

WW1 Vet. MacArthur retired as COS and his military career was over in his early 60's when for some reason FDR asked him to take command of the area most likely to be attacked in the opening days of WW2 in the Phillipines. He had a day to prepare after Pearl Harbor was attacked but he failed to follow the plan and his entire air force was destroyed parked wing to wing on the ground. He managed to blame subordinates for his own failure of command. He lost his entire army but was awarded the MOH when he was evacuated to safety. Mac was in his 70's when he was appointed commander of US forces in Korea by Truman and he never spent a single night on the peninsula while he was commander, preferring the luxury digs on Japan. His Inchon strategy was a success but his strange crusade to the Yalu river on the border of China with exhausted, ill equipped troops proved to be the downfall of the entire campaign. The U.S. lost about 35,000 Troops in three years. After his public threats to use nukes on China, the timid Truman administration finally had enough and relieved him of duty.

 

[MaryL]

I doubt we had any nukes to use.

WE had more nukes than THEY did. Not that might makes right. But we restrained ourselves in the 50's...so here we are NOW, with this...WHAT is this? The nice guy is always LAST admonition? China kills ugurs, dominates economics and owns our internet, meanwhile Russia owns 1/2 the petrochemical industry. Here we are.

 

[Pete7469]

Patton was assassinated by Stalin

Ike was a stooge of FDR, who was a stooge of stalin.

 

[Pete7469]

The von Ribbentrop/Molotov pact. And the Russians colluded with the Nazis...the Kaylyn massacre .Until then, mass murder was acceptable. Because Russians where allied with Nazis until operation Barbarossa.

Bu... bu... bu... But commies and nazi's are the "opposites" of each other.... Just because they're both authoritarian collectivists controlled by sociopaths that created the most wicked and despotic nanny states known to man means nothing.

As far as despotic nanny states go I think the british nanny state that throttles toddlers is probably where the democrook party qualifies.

 

[MaryL]

Bu... bu... bu... But commies and nazi's are the "opposites" of each other.... Just because they're both authoritarian collectivists controlled by sociopaths that created the most wicked and despotic nanny states known to man means nothing.

As far as despotic nanny states go I think the british nanny state that throttles toddlers is probably where the democrook party qualifies.

Socialist Stalin aligned socialist Russia with national SOCIALIST Germany. One dictator to another. Because Stalin couldn't tell his form of socialism from Hitler's. So, how are the rest of us?

 

[Pete7469]

I've thought that for a long time. In fact in a discussion with an old friend he specifically said "If Patton and MacArthur had been given everything available and had no interference from elitist political pigs and marxist pseudo-"intellectuals" they could have conquered all of asia then met and shook hands on the flats of mongolia in the summer of 1947".

The world would be a better place now.

 

[Pete7469]

Socialist Stalin aligned socialist Russia with national SOCIALIST Germany. One dictator to another. Because Stalin couldn't tell his form of socialism from Hitler's. So, how are the rest of us?

The main difference is that the USSR wanted to collectivize the globe with it's capital in Moscow, without the same concern for the the "races" of the "human resources" it enslaved. Shitler wanted the global capital in Berlin, and was willing to use anyone on earth besides "jews" to complete that objective.



The NAZI's might not have been as "racist" as the bed wetters would have us believe, but then again they pretend the democrooks were not the party of the KKK or slavery.

The NAZI's wanted to collectivize the world, purge "jews" or the "1%" or the "rich" or the "republicans" or whatever he called the "kulaks" or the "bourgeoisie" or anything else bed wetting marxist parasites have called the people they demonize.

All marxist philosophy is founded in the emotions of hate and envy. It is the antithesis of the 10th commandment....

“You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”---God

I loathe the regressive parasites who abhor God and His faithful especially when they pretend to embrace the mooselimbs who worship the moon and a pedophile warlord, thief and slave merchant fraud.

The left has ben destroying this country from within like termites for well over 150 years now.

 

[harryo]

MaryL MacArthur totally screwed up in Korea. There was no reason to use nukes there. That was an insane idea
There was much evidence that the Chinese would get into it if we crossed the border-he ignored it
He strung out our forces in very tough, mountainous terrain = stupid
Said airpower would take care of the Chinese = wrong
Never accepted that there were hundreds of thousands of Chinese in Korea
Had a whole Corps kicked off the peninsula-
etc

 

[whitehall]

MaryL MacArthur totally screwed up in Korea. There was no reason to use nukes there. That was an insane idea
There was much evidence that the Chinese would get into it if we crossed the border-he ignored it
He strung out our forces in very tough, mountainous terrain = stupid
Said airpower would take care of the Chinese = wrong
Never accepted that there were hundreds of thousands of Chinese in Korea
Had a whole Corps kicked off the peninsula-
etc

Mac was in his 70's when Truman appointed him commander of forces in Korea. He never spent a single night on the peninsula and preferred to rely on faulty intelligence from Army Gen. Ned Almond. When American media seemed less than confident about Mac's threat to approach the Yalu river he took them for a plane ride along the river and it seemed quiet but an entire Chinese army was camouflaged on the ground. Marine Generals Puller and O.P. Smith smelled a rat and refused to blunder along the route Almond recommended but Mac's troops walked into the biggest ambush in history at the Chosin.

 

[Mac-7]

General Patton and Macarthur seemed prescient. Patton wanted to obliterate the Soviets, the "soviets" did side with Nazi Germany originally (1939 von Ribbentrop/Molotov pact) and they were problematic. Patton died in minor traffic accident in 45'. We move on MacArthur was fired in 51' for advocating use of nukes in Korea against the invading communist Chinese. In an alternate reality, what if we had...followed their advice?

The Soviet Army was massive and the American public was tired of war

it would have been bloody and costly

in Korea china did not have nukes to respond with

but it would have greatly lowered the threshold and I suspect we would have seen more nuclear exchanges by now

 

[Mac-7]

Mac's troops walked into the biggest ambush in history at the Chosin.

And the US and allied troops on the ground responded magnificently

Mao thought he had us, but he was wrong

I wonder how our transgender dickless pajama boys and lesbo’s today would have made out?

actually I think I know and its not a pretty picture

 

[MaryL]

The Soviet Army was massive and the American public was tired of war

it would have been bloody and costly

in Korea china did not have nukes to respond with

but it would have greatly lowered the threshold and I suspect we would have seen more nuclear exchanges by now

This was a "what if" scenario". I'm sure the Russian troops where as tired as the NON communist allied troops. All wars are all costly and bloody. America didn't run out of nukes, they could have been manufactured in a few weeks. And as for America restraining its use of these weapons, its just a matter of time that some country won't have those same scruples.

 

[Mac-7]

And as for America restraining its use of these weapons, its just a matter of time that some country won't have those scruples.

Well so far its been 75 years and counting

 

[MaryL]

Well so far its been 75 years and counting

Knock on wood. So here we are, again at yet another brink. Russia doesn't want NATO on its doorstep, an seems quite willing to flout it's nukes. So what IF Patton HAD nipped this crap in the bud...