Overweight children in America

[Iceweasel]

I cook this potato soup.
It's good ... but I have to sit back and peel and cut potatoes in small pieces
Clean, peel and cut carrots in small pieces
Skin onion and cut in small pieces.

Cut bacon (uncooked) in small pieces (which sucks, even if it's frozen, then it's too hard)

Add them all at separate times, boil in broth, add milk and flour, cream at the end

blend1/2 to 1/3 of it add it back in... it's bullshit!

Fine it it floats your boat. BUT in far less time and effort you can scrub the spud, toss it in the microwave in an appropriate sealed dish for 5 minutes ( the skin is very healthy!) throw the carrots, onion, beef or chicken, cabbage or kale/spinach, broccoli, green beans, bell pepper, cucumber, or similar stuff, into a wok and cook it on up. Or separate the meat from the veggies and cook the veggies less.

That's much less time, easy to do and much healthier.

hubby does no like skin on his potato
he likes all his veggies OVER cooked
he eats NO greens! (except peas)
he does like pepper

He would like that.

I would not. I like my foods separate.

Lots of greenery in my meals and nothing overcooked, that defeats the purpose.

 

[Bonzi]

I cook this potato soup.
It's good ... but I have to sit back and peel and cut potatoes in small pieces
Clean, peel and cut carrots in small pieces
Skin onion and cut in small pieces.

Cut bacon (uncooked) in small pieces (which sucks, even if it's frozen, then it's too hard)

Add them all at separate times, boil in broth, add milk and flour, cream at the end

blend1/2 to 1/3 of it add it back in... it's bullshit!

Fine it it floats your boat. BUT in far less time and effort you can scrub the spud, toss it in the microwave in an appropriate sealed dish for 5 minutes ( the skin is very healthy!) throw the carrots, onion, beef or chicken, cabbage or kale/spinach, broccoli, green beans, bell pepper, cucumber, or similar stuff, into a wok and cook it on up. Or separate the meat from the veggies and cook the veggies less.

That's much less time, easy to do and much healthier.

hubby does no like skin on his potato
he likes all his veggies OVER cooked
he eats NO greens! (except peas)
he does like pepper

He would like that.

I would not. I like my foods separate.

Lots of greenery in my meals and nothing overcooked, that defeats the purpose.

How old are you?
I'm 52 - I'll make a wager on who lives longer....

 

[Iceweasel]

I cook this potato soup.
It's good ... but I have to sit back and peel and cut potatoes in small pieces
Clean, peel and cut carrots in small pieces
Skin onion and cut in small pieces.

Cut bacon (uncooked) in small pieces (which sucks, even if it's frozen, then it's too hard)

Add them all at separate times, boil in broth, add milk and flour, cream at the end

blend1/2 to 1/3 of it add it back in... it's bullshit!

Fine it it floats your boat. BUT in far less time and effort you can scrub the spud, toss it in the microwave in an appropriate sealed dish for 5 minutes ( the skin is very healthy!) throw the carrots, onion, beef or chicken, cabbage or kale/spinach, broccoli, green beans, bell pepper, cucumber, or similar stuff, into a wok and cook it on up. Or separate the meat from the veggies and cook the veggies less.

That's much less time, easy to do and much healthier.

hubby does no like skin on his potato
he likes all his veggies OVER cooked
he eats NO greens! (except peas)
he does like pepper

He would like that.

I would not. I like my foods separate.

Lots of greenery in my meals and nothing overcooked, that defeats the purpose.

How old are you?
I'm 52 - I'll make a wager on who lives longer....

I told you a couple of weeks ago, 61. See, your memory is gone. And no fair counting eternity with Jesus.

 

[OldLady]

I grew up on the following:

American Chop Suey
Baked Mashed Potatoes over hot dogs in cheese
Corned Beef Hash with Eggs or Pineapple on top
Liver and Onions

Those are the dishes I remember...

Any of those would be better than the diet you're currently on. Just don't stay on it too long!

 

[OldLady]

I grew up on the following:

American Chop Suey
Baked Mashed Potatoes over hot dogs in cheese
Corned Beef Hash with Eggs or Pineapple on top
Liver and Onions

Those are the dishes I remember...

Your folks worked for the carnival, didn't they?

We ALL grew up on those things--except you.

 

[Pogo]

Make Healthy Foods More Affordable?
Boycott unhealthy foods?
There ARE cheap healthy foods, maybe people need to be educated on that?
Bananas, eggs, etc.

I thought eggs were supposed to be bad for us?
We probably could make fresh foods more affordable if farmers would agree to sell ALL their produce, not just the perfect stuff. I'm appalled by how much good food gets thrown away.

Y'all know where so-called "baby carrots" come from?

They're turned that way on a lathe. Literally. Usually using carrots that some corporate suit has decided is not perfectly symmetrical and therefore "won't sell" -- maybe it grew at a weird angle (even though Nature knows perfectly well what She's doing) -- so those are then put on a lathe and turned into perfect little corporate cylinders. The mentality of that makes me wanna puke.

One grocery in my town has a bulk bin for carrots. I make sure to buy the most asymmetrical, "imperfect" ones, just to stab that kind of mentality in the back.

 

[Pogo]

Obesity is higher amongst the poor, since they tend to eat mostly processed shitty food.

Maybe when an R is the WH, the media will rise hell about this.

It is already all over the news, but the government keeps making it harder to read labels.

I read labels voraciously but to me it's the food processors who make it harder taking end-around routes to disguise what they're doing. If it isn't hiding several different varieties of sugars listed separately, now it's manipulating "portion sizes" since they're undefined by law.

For a while I was judging cereals based on the "sugars" line --- not noticing that that line is now being based on a smaller and smaller portion.... where a standard portion used to be 1 cup, now it's a third of a cup or even a quarter-cup, which is absurd to claim is a portion, but drives that sugar line down. Translated to the 1-cup standard, that cereal touting "8 grams of sugar" is actually 32 grams in a cup.

It's deceit after deceit after deceit. Always a step ahead of the consumer. But god forbid we should make 'em tell the truth, oh noes that's the end of the freaking world.

Are you ever responsible for anything? It isn't difficult, if you are gaining weight you are taking in too many calories or not burning enough. If the labels are difficult to decipher you are buying complicated processed foods.

If you consider how your body got here eating choices are much easier. Our ancestors didn't eat Cheetos. For them, fast food is the one that got away.

Yeah I figured this out when I dropped wheat from my diet, made no other dietary changes, in fact ate more in terms of volume --- and immediately dropped 30-40 pounds. Ventured back into wheat again, the weight came back. Dropped wheat yet again, and again the weight went away. By now it's predictable.

You tell me what the catalyst is there.

And no, it isn't as naïevely simplistic as "how many calories" and "how many are burned". The body is way more complex than that. It ain't like filling a gas tank; the process is paramount.

This just in: how the body processes fucked-up corporate foods is not a personal choice. So turn your question on its head: are the corporate giants who control the food supply ever responsible for anything? Or do they just get to experiment on people in the quest of the almighty dollar, and the concept of responsibility for public health can go sit on a tack?

 

[Iceweasel]

I grew up on the following:

American Chop Suey
Baked Mashed Potatoes over hot dogs in cheese
Corned Beef Hash with Eggs or Pineapple on top
Liver and Onions

Those are the dishes I remember...

Your folks worked for the carnival, didn't they?

We ALL grew up on those things--except you.

Bullshit. My mom was a so so cook. She thought veggies should strain through your fork. My epiphany started in college when I worked in food service at the VA hospital. Lots of folks were there with food related illnesses, especially diabetes. When you see a remarkable number of men and women with single and double leg amputations you start connecting the dots. At least I did.

 

[Iceweasel]

Y'all know where so-called "baby carrots" come from?

They're turned that way on a lathe. Literally. Usually using carrots that some corporate suit has decided is not perfectly symmetrical and therefore "won't sell" -- maybe it grew at a weird angle (even though Nature knows perfectly well what She's doing) -- so those are then put on a lathe and turned into perfect little corporate cylinders. The mentality of that makes me wanna puke.

One grocery in my town has a bulk bin for carrots. I make sure to buy the most asymmetrical, "imperfect" ones, just to stab that kind of mentality in the back.

That's weird. I wouldn't give a fuck myself. I buy them on occasion because it saves me time in preparation. Do you know people that think they grew that way?

 

[Iceweasel]

Obesity is higher amongst the poor, since they tend to eat mostly processed shitty food.

Maybe when an R is the WH, the media will rise hell about this.

It is already all over the news, but the government keeps making it harder to read labels.

I read labels voraciously but to me it's the food processors who make it harder taking end-around routes to disguise what they're doing. If it isn't hiding several different varieties of sugars listed separately, now it's manipulating "portion sizes" since they're undefined by law.

For a while I was judging cereals based on the "sugars" line --- not noticing that that line is now being based on a smaller and smaller portion.... where a standard portion used to be 1 cup, now it's a third of a cup or even a quarter-cup, which is absurd to claim is a portion, but drives that sugar line down. Translated to the 1-cup standard, that cereal touting "8 grams of sugar" is actually 32 grams in a cup.

It's deceit after deceit after deceit. Always a step ahead of the consumer. But god forbid we should make 'em tell the truth, oh noes that's the end of the freaking world.

Are you ever responsible for anything? It isn't difficult, if you are gaining weight you are taking in too many calories or not burning enough. If the labels are difficult to decipher you are buying complicated processed foods.

If you consider how your body got here eating choices are much easier. Our ancestors didn't eat Cheetos. For them, fast food is the one that got away.

Yeah I figured this out when I dropped wheat from my diet, made no other dietary changes, in fact ate more in terms of volume --- and immediately dropped 30-40 pounds. Ventured back into wheat again, the weight came back. Dropped wheat yet again, and again the weight went away.

You tell me what the catalyst is there.

This just in: how the body processes fucked-up corporate foods is not a personal choice. So turn your question on its head: are the corporate giants who control the food supply ever responsible for anything?

I can eat it without gaining weight but you are one that isn't tolerant to it. Complex carbs are the big killer, not meat.

 

[Eaglewings]

Obesity is higher amongst the poor, since they tend to eat mostly processed shitty food.

Maybe when an R is the WH, the media will rise hell about this.

It is already all over the news, but the government keeps making it harder to read labels.

I read labels voraciously but to me it's the food processors who make it harder taking end-around routes to disguise what they're doing. If it isn't hiding several different varieties of sugars listed separately, now it's manipulating "portion sizes" since they're undefined by law.

For a while I was judging cereals based on the "sugars" line --- not noticing that that line is now being based on a smaller and smaller portion.... where a standard portion used to be 1 cup, now it's a third of a cup or even a quarter-cup, which is absurd to claim is a portion, but drives that sugar line down. Translated to the 1-cup standard, that cereal touting "8 grams of sugar" is actually 32 grams in a cup.

It's deceit after deceit after deceit. Always a step ahead of the consumer. But god forbid we should make 'em tell the truth, oh noes that's the end of the freaking world.

Are you ever responsible for anything? It isn't difficult, if you are gaining weight you are taking in too many calories or not burning enough. If the labels are difficult to decipher you are buying complicated processed foods.

If you consider how your body got here eating choices are much easier. Our ancestors didn't eat Cheetos. For them, fast food is the one that got away.

Yeah I figured this out when I dropped wheat from my diet, made no other dietary changes, in fact ate more in terms of volume --- and immediately dropped 30-40 pounds. Ventured back into wheat again, the weight came back. Dropped wheat yet again, and again the weight went away.

You tell me what the catalyst is there.

And no, it isn't as naïevely simplistic as "how many calories" and "how many are burned". The body is way more complex than that. It ain't like filling a gas tank; the process is paramount.

This just in: how the body processes fucked-up corporate foods is not a personal choice. So turn your question on its head: are the corporate giants who control the food supply ever responsible for anything?

Losing weight without wheat must be hard , it is in everything isn't it? I hope your not eating tofu.

.

 

[Bonzi]

Food Fight!

 

[Pogo]

Obesity is higher amongst the poor, since they tend to eat mostly processed shitty food.

Maybe when an R is the WH, the media will rise hell about this.

It is already all over the news, but the government keeps making it harder to read labels.

I read labels voraciously but to me it's the food processors who make it harder taking end-around routes to disguise what they're doing. If it isn't hiding several different varieties of sugars listed separately, now it's manipulating "portion sizes" since they're undefined by law.

For a while I was judging cereals based on the "sugars" line --- not noticing that that line is now being based on a smaller and smaller portion.... where a standard portion used to be 1 cup, now it's a third of a cup or even a quarter-cup, which is absurd to claim is a portion, but drives that sugar line down. Translated to the 1-cup standard, that cereal touting "8 grams of sugar" is actually 32 grams in a cup.

It's deceit after deceit after deceit. Always a step ahead of the consumer. But god forbid we should make 'em tell the truth, oh noes that's the end of the freaking world.

Are you ever responsible for anything? It isn't difficult, if you are gaining weight you are taking in too many calories or not burning enough. If the labels are difficult to decipher you are buying complicated processed foods.

If you consider how your body got here eating choices are much easier. Our ancestors didn't eat Cheetos. For them, fast food is the one that got away.

Yeah I figured this out when I dropped wheat from my diet, made no other dietary changes, in fact ate more in terms of volume --- and immediately dropped 30-40 pounds. Ventured back into wheat again, the weight came back. Dropped wheat yet again, and again the weight went away.

You tell me what the catalyst is there.

And no, it isn't as naïevely simplistic as "how many calories" and "how many are burned". The body is way more complex than that. It ain't like filling a gas tank; the process is paramount.

This just in: how the body processes fucked-up corporate foods is not a personal choice. So turn your question on its head: are the corporate giants who control the food supply ever responsible for anything?

Losing weight without wheat must be hard , it is in everything isn't it? I hope your not eating tofu.

Egad. You just reminded me I have tofu in the fridge getting old for lack of ideas what to do with it.

I'm not accustomed (by habit) to tofu or tempeh but I wouldn't mind incorporating them. Why not?

Yeah wheat is in a whole lot, and scanning ingredient labels for it eliminates a lot of choices, right down to soy sauce and beer. I've kinda transitioned from sandwiches to roll-ups -- same thing without the bread --- either that or spend the $$ on rice-based bread, which is.... eh.

It works much better with pasta, which I've been able to return to.

As I said, an eternal game of whack-a-mole, consumer versus Corporatia, and Corp always gets the first move; all we can do is try to react.

My last blood work was kinda weird. Triglycerides actually went up even though sugars went down. That's not supposed to trend that way. Doc says I could be eating too much rice. One thing after another. "more beans, less rice" she said.

 

[ChrisL]

It seems to have a lot to do with fast food, but it's not just the food. Kids don't get outside to play anymore because of video games and television. A lot of the parents have to work all day and are not home to supervise.

 

[ChrisL]

It is already all over the news, but the government keeps making it harder to read labels.

I read labels voraciously but to me it's the food processors who make it harder taking end-around routes to disguise what they're doing. If it isn't hiding several different varieties of sugars listed separately, now it's manipulating "portion sizes" since they're undefined by law.

For a while I was judging cereals based on the "sugars" line --- not noticing that that line is now being based on a smaller and smaller portion.... where a standard portion used to be 1 cup, now it's a third of a cup or even a quarter-cup, which is absurd to claim is a portion, but drives that sugar line down. Translated to the 1-cup standard, that cereal touting "8 grams of sugar" is actually 32 grams in a cup.

It's deceit after deceit after deceit. Always a step ahead of the consumer. But god forbid we should make 'em tell the truth, oh noes that's the end of the freaking world.

Are you ever responsible for anything? It isn't difficult, if you are gaining weight you are taking in too many calories or not burning enough. If the labels are difficult to decipher you are buying complicated processed foods.

If you consider how your body got here eating choices are much easier. Our ancestors didn't eat Cheetos. For them, fast food is the one that got away.

Yeah I figured this out when I dropped wheat from my diet, made no other dietary changes, in fact ate more in terms of volume --- and immediately dropped 30-40 pounds. Ventured back into wheat again, the weight came back. Dropped wheat yet again, and again the weight went away.

You tell me what the catalyst is there.

And no, it isn't as naïevely simplistic as "how many calories" and "how many are burned". The body is way more complex than that. It ain't like filling a gas tank; the process is paramount.

This just in: how the body processes fucked-up corporate foods is not a personal choice. So turn your question on its head: are the corporate giants who control the food supply ever responsible for anything?

Losing weight without wheat must be hard , it is in everything isn't it? I hope your not eating tofu.

Egad. You just reminded me I have tofu in the fridge getting old for lack of ideas what to do with it.

I'm not accustomed (by habit) to tofu or tempeh but I wouldn't mind incorporating them. Why not?

Yeah wheat is in a whole lot, and scanning ingredient labels for it eliminates a lot of choices, right down to soy sauce and beer. I've kinda transitioned from sandwiches to roll-ups -- same thing without the bread --- either that or spend the $$ on rice-based bread, which is.... eh.

It works much better with pasta, which I've been able to return to.

As I said, an eternal game of whack-a-mole, consumer versus Corporatia, and Corp always gets the first move; all we can do is try to react.

My last blood work was kinda weird. Triglycerides actually went up even though sugars went down. That's not supposed to trend that way. Doc says I could be eating too much rice. One thing after another. "more beans, less rice" she said.

I think most foods are just fine in moderation (unless you are sensitive/allergic). Don't overeat. Use portion control containers to help you if you must.

 

[ChrisL]

Make Healthy Foods More Affordable?
Boycott unhealthy foods?
There ARE cheap healthy foods, maybe people need to be educated on that?
Bananas, eggs, etc.

I thought eggs were supposed to be bad for us?
We probably could make fresh foods more affordable if farmers would agree to sell ALL their produce, not just the perfect stuff. I'm appalled by how much good food gets thrown away.

Y'all know where so-called "baby carrots" come from?

They're turned that way on a lathe. Literally. Usually using carrots that some corporate suit has decided is not perfectly symmetrical and therefore "won't sell" -- maybe it grew at a weird angle (even though Nature knows perfectly well what She's doing) -- so those are then put on a lathe and turned into perfect little corporate cylinders. The mentality of that makes me wanna puke.

One grocery in my town has a bulk bin for carrots. I make sure to buy the most asymmetrical, "imperfect" ones, just to stab that kind of mentality in the back.

I like those carrots, and my rabbit also seems to prefer them. Is my rabbit a victim of corpotacracy?

 

[Eaglewings]

I grew up on the following:

American Chop Suey
Baked Mashed Potatoes over hot dogs in cheese
Corned Beef Hash with Eggs or Pineapple on top
Liver and Onions

Those are the dishes I remember...

Your folks worked for the carnival, didn't they?

We ALL grew up on those things--except you.

Bullshit. My mom was a so so cook. She thought veggies should strain through your fork. My epiphany started in college when I worked in food service at the VA hospital. Lots of folks were there with food related illnesses, especially diabetes. When you see a remarkable number of men and women with single and double leg amputations you start connecting the dots. At least I did.

It was all about butter in the 50's lol I still love butter.

Soaps, lotions and cleaning supplies ect were made from scratch back in the early 1900's now look at the crap and poison's that we put on our body everyday.
I buy all that now from a girl who makes everything from scratch and simple ingredients.

.

 

[Pogo]

Obesity is higher amongst the poor, since they tend to eat mostly processed shitty food.

Maybe when an R is the WH, the media will rise hell about this.

It is already all over the news, but the government keeps making it harder to read labels.

I read labels voraciously but to me it's the food processors who make it harder taking end-around routes to disguise what they're doing. If it isn't hiding several different varieties of sugars listed separately, now it's manipulating "portion sizes" since they're undefined by law.

For a while I was judging cereals based on the "sugars" line --- not noticing that that line is now being based on a smaller and smaller portion.... where a standard portion used to be 1 cup, now it's a third of a cup or even a quarter-cup, which is absurd to claim is a portion, but drives that sugar line down. Translated to the 1-cup standard, that cereal touting "8 grams of sugar" is actually 32 grams in a cup.

It's deceit after deceit after deceit. Always a step ahead of the consumer. But god forbid we should make 'em tell the truth, oh noes that's the end of the freaking world.

Are you ever responsible for anything? It isn't difficult, if you are gaining weight you are taking in too many calories or not burning enough. If the labels are difficult to decipher you are buying complicated processed foods.

If you consider how your body got here eating choices are much easier. Our ancestors didn't eat Cheetos. For them, fast food is the one that got away.

Yeah I figured this out when I dropped wheat from my diet, made no other dietary changes, in fact ate more in terms of volume --- and immediately dropped 30-40 pounds. Ventured back into wheat again, the weight came back. Dropped wheat yet again, and again the weight went away.

You tell me what the catalyst is there.

This just in: how the body processes fucked-up corporate foods is not a personal choice. So turn your question on its head: are the corporate giants who control the food supply ever responsible for anything?

I can eat it without gaining weight but you are one that isn't tolerant to it. Complex carbs are the big killer, not meat.

I didn't even mention "meat" -- I said wheat.

Absolutely metabolisms vary by the person -- we established that way back. But the fact remains that wheat has changed. Whether it affects Numero Uno or not, it's out there, and you may find that as your body changes with age, it shows up for you too. When that happens, don't say you weren't warned.

More here.

 

[ChrisL]

Another interesting factoid is that in the old days, there was a mom at home with the kids to supervise what the kids were doing and what they were eating. That is just not the case anymore. BOTH parents have to work in most instances to provide for the children because wages have stagnated. If you want to send your kids to college, you have to work, work, work. There is no time to stay at home and be a "parent" supervising your children and other important things regarding your children are unintentionally ignored. Kids are basically on their own in today's world. Of course they make a lot of bad decisions.

 

[Iceweasel]

It is already all over the news, but the government keeps making it harder to read labels.

I read labels voraciously but to me it's the food processors who make it harder taking end-around routes to disguise what they're doing. If it isn't hiding several different varieties of sugars listed separately, now it's manipulating "portion sizes" since they're undefined by law.

For a while I was judging cereals based on the "sugars" line --- not noticing that that line is now being based on a smaller and smaller portion.... where a standard portion used to be 1 cup, now it's a third of a cup or even a quarter-cup, which is absurd to claim is a portion, but drives that sugar line down. Translated to the 1-cup standard, that cereal touting "8 grams of sugar" is actually 32 grams in a cup.

It's deceit after deceit after deceit. Always a step ahead of the consumer. But god forbid we should make 'em tell the truth, oh noes that's the end of the freaking world.

Are you ever responsible for anything? It isn't difficult, if you are gaining weight you are taking in too many calories or not burning enough. If the labels are difficult to decipher you are buying complicated processed foods.

If you consider how your body got here eating choices are much easier. Our ancestors didn't eat Cheetos. For them, fast food is the one that got away.

Yeah I figured this out when I dropped wheat from my diet, made no other dietary changes, in fact ate more in terms of volume --- and immediately dropped 30-40 pounds. Ventured back into wheat again, the weight came back. Dropped wheat yet again, and again the weight went away.

You tell me what the catalyst is there.

And no, it isn't as naïevely simplistic as "how many calories" and "how many are burned". The body is way more complex than that. It ain't like filling a gas tank; the process is paramount.

This just in: how the body processes fucked-up corporate foods is not a personal choice. So turn your question on its head: are the corporate giants who control the food supply ever responsible for anything?

Losing weight without wheat must be hard , it is in everything isn't it? I hope your not eating tofu.

Egad. You just reminded me I have tofu in the fridge getting old for lack of ideas what to do with it.

I'm not accustomed (by habit) to tofu or tempeh but I wouldn't mind incorporating them. Why not?

Yeah wheat is in a whole lot, and scanning ingredient labels for it eliminates a lot of choices, right down to soy sauce and beer. I've kinda transitioned from sandwiches to roll-ups -- same thing without the bread --- either that or spend the $$ on rice-based bread, which is.... eh.

It works much better with pasta, which I've been able to return to.

As I said, an eternal game of whack-a-mole, consumer versus Corporatia, and Corp always gets the first move; all we can do is try to react.

My last blood work was kinda weird. Triglycerides actually went up even though sugars went down. That's not supposed to trend that way. Doc says I could be eating too much rice. One thing after another. "more beans, less rice" she said.

Sounds like you are still too high proportionally with the starches. Doctors typically don't know much about food, their training is a pill or a knife. Corporations sell what people buy, blaming them is lame, really. There are very healthy people living in the same environment you do.