Zone1 Our Lord Jesus changed water into what? Wine or grape juice?

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Our Lord Jesus changed water into what? Wine or grape juice?​

At the weeding in Cana.

 

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My answer:

alcohol-containing wine.

 

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I have a feeling that in this forum polls are "not popular".

Still I hope that we'll get some voters and votes.

 

[Vastator]

Wine had a pretty specific meaning. If they meant juice, or nectar... They had words for that, and would have used them...

 

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

Our Lord Jesus changed water into what? Wine or grape juice?​

At the weeding in Cana.

People drink wine when pulling weeds?

 

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Now:

Our Lord Jesus changed water into what? Wine or grape juice?Edit​

• alcohol-containing wine​

  Votes: 2
• 66.7%

• alcohol-free grape juice​

  Votes: 1
• 33.3%

• sth. else​

  Votes: 00.0%

• I don't know​

  Votes: 00.0%

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• Total voters 3

 

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And may the voting continue

 

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Here this topic is also discussed:

This question raised by this passage does indeed contribute a great deal to the overall debate. For if Christ turned the water into an alcoholic beverage, then his participation in the issue certainly does not bode well for those who preach that the biblical position requires Christians to abstain from alcohol altogether. He would have been serving as a bartender, if you will, at a celebration where abuse of alcohol certainly may have taken place. More than that, there is no reason to doubt that he himself would have drunk this wine.

Did Jesus Turn Water into Wine or Grape Juice? - Credo House Ministries

Did Jesus turn water into wine? Was it watered down wine, unfermented wine, maybe grape juice? This issue has a long history of hot debate among Christians.

credohouse.org

 

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Another comment:

Throughout the passage, the Greek word translated "wine" is oinos, which was the common Greek word for normal wine, wine that was fermented/alcoholic. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is the same word for the wine the wedding feast ran out of. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is also the same word that is used in Ephesians 5:18, "...do not get drunk on wine..." Obviously, getting drunk from drinking wine requires the presence of alcohol. Everything, from the context of a wedding feast, to the usage of oinos in 1st century Greek literature (in the New Testament and outside the New Testament), argues for the wine that Jesus created to be normal, ordinary wine, containing alcohol. There is simply no solid historical, cultural, exegetical, contextual, or lexical reason to understand it to have been grape juice.

Those who oppose the drinking of alcohol, in any quantity, argue that Jesus would not have turned the water into wine, as He would have been promoting the consumption of a substance that is tainted by sin. In this understanding, alcohol itself is inherently sinful, and consumption of alcohol in any quantity is sin. That is not a biblical understanding, however. Some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:1 encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…” From these and other Scriptures, it is clear that alcohol itself is not inherently sinful. Rather, it is the abuse of alcohol, drunkenness and/or addiction, that is sinful (Ephesians 5:18; Proverbs 23:29-35; 1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Therefore, it would not have been a sin for Jesus to create a drink that contained alcohol.

Did Jesus change the water into wine or grape juice? | GotQuestions.org

Did Jesus change the water into wine or grape juice? From the water, did Jesus create fermented wine, containing alcohol, or did He create non-alcoholic grape juice?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

There are magic tricks where you can "turn water into wine" (or anything you want).
Plenty of them are on Youtube. But magicians have been doing this for eons.

 

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Why Did Jesus Turn Water Into Wine?​

 

[norwegen]

Wine.

Whoever says, "The good grape juice has been saved til last"?

 

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Wine

 

[JohnDB]

The Hebrew term for wine, grape juice, liquor, and jam were all the same word.

Hebrew is a highly metaphoric language without any "bad words" in it. Euphemisms were the common practice for any label that was bad.
Wine was common for mixing with water to sanitize it. Public latrines were often too close to water sources and caused contamination of the drinking water. So sweet wine was often the favorite to mix with water making a type of drink akin to kool-aid except it had a bit of a kick to it.

Aperitif was a strong drink but usually some form of fortified wine. But stronger than a sherry or port of today getting to be roughly 100 proof. Drunk after dinner or for a contract....also part of a drink offering.

Then there's "new wine" which was sparkling wine....AKA champagne wannabe.

Then there's the jam....made from pulp and seeds after the juice was extracted. Some wineries still make this stuff today but we don't see a lot of it for retail sale.

Every calorie in every food source was valuable in a commodity based economy.

So....at the Wedding in Canaan the huge jars used for ceremonial handwashing water were refilled according to Jesus's directions and served. There were a list of regulations concerning ceremonial hand washing....even measuring the amount of water used.

For Jesus to make a point about the ceremonial law becoming a "joy" (which is what the symbolism of wine surrounds) would not be beyond His character.

And where people get caught up today in whether it was alcoholic or not they are metaphorically turning the wine into water. Undoing the miracle of the New Covenant with fresh legalism....which are actually tired and worn out legalisms from the past.

For thousands of years most people did not drink pure water. They drank beer and wine as the primary source of hydration. (Wine was the more expensive option) even the Pilgrims/missionaries that settled in America were busy setting up a brewery first off as the beer supplies on the ship were running low. And they did not know that the fresh water supplies they seen here were safe for consumption as just water...because they had never done it before.

 

[Zebra]

The Hebrew term for wine, grape juice, liquor, and jam were all the same word.

Hebrew is a highly metaphoric language without any "bad words" in it. Euphemisms were the common practice for any label that was bad.
Wine was common for mixing with water to sanitize it. Public latrines were often too close to water sources and caused contamination of the drinking water. So sweet wine was often the favorite to mix with water making a type of drink akin to kool-aid except it had a bit of a kick to it.

Aperitif was a strong drink but usually some form of fortified wine. But stronger than a sherry or port of today getting to be roughly 100 proof. Drunk after dinner or for a contract....also part of a drink offering.

Then there's "new wine" which was sparkling wine....AKA champagne wannabe.

Then there's the jam....made from pulp and seeds after the juice was extracted. Some wineries still make this stuff today but we don't see a lot of it for retail sale.

Every calorie in every food source was valuable in a commodity based economy.

So....at the Wedding in Canaan the huge jars used for ceremonial handwashing water were refilled according to Jesus's directions and served. There were a list of regulations concerning ceremonial hand washing....even measuring the amount of water used.

For Jesus to make a point about the ceremonial law becoming a "joy" (which is what the symbolism of wine surrounds) would not be beyond His character.

And where people get caught up today in whether it was alcoholic or not they are metaphorically turning the wine into water. Undoing the miracle of the New Covenant with fresh legalism....which are actually tired and worn out legalisms from the past.

For thousands of years most people did not drink pure water. They drank beer and wine as the primary source of hydration. (Wine was the more expensive option) even the Pilgrims/missionaries that settled in America were busy setting up a brewery first off as the beer supplies on the ship were running low. And they did not know that the fresh water supplies they seen here were safe for consumption as just water...because they had never done it before.

Good!