Opening the straight not hard at all

[M14 Shooter]

HOWEVER, disabling tankers is down on my list of options to do. Not very efficient and too much unnecessary complications.

Disabling tankers came up in a conversation about the US blockading the straits to keep Iran from shipping oil. After the US declares the blockade, it is likely a demonstration would be necessary -- by disabling the screws/rudder of a tanker.
How? With a torpedo. What torpedoes do our SSNs carry? Mk48.

 

[Deadstick]

Yes I'm aware of SAVAK, dumbshyte!
I'm aware of more history than you are.
Also that history doesn't have to repeat itself and only does when too few have learned the lessons it can teach.
The Theocracy has outdone the disposed Shah in torture and abuse of their population.
I realize you are another of those Leftists who love tyrants and oppressors, but this time your buddies may be out of a job.

If you are aware of SAVAK Dumbo then you have no excuse, and you clowns know all about loving tyrants you supported some of the worst in central and South America for decades.

 

[Stryder50]

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The people loved the Shah.

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Many did.
But such a range of ethnics and theology, etc.
Rare is the leader who can please all the people, all the time.
The Rise, renew of Islamic Jihad in post WWII World had much to do with changes in Iran by 1979.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Many did.
But such a range of ethnics and theology, etc.
Rare is the leader who can please all the people, all the time.
The Rise, renew of Islamic Jihad in post WWII World had much to do with changes in Iran by 1979.

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I knew more than a handful of Persians who escaped Iran and longed to go back if the Shah ever returned to power.

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[Stryder50]

Disabling tankers came up in a conversation about the US blockading the straits to keep Iran from shipping oil. After the US declares the blockade, it is likely a demonstration would be necessary -- by disabling the screws/rudder of a tanker.
How? With a torpedo. What torpedoes do our SSNs carry? Mk48.

Yeah, I recall and responding to such got Admiral Rockhead riled.
MK48 is huge and overkill. It was designed to explode under a ship, crack it's keel and break it in two.
Much too messy with tankers, especially if filled with petroleum/oil. Results in ugly pollution, etc.
Here's the link I provided in that response/post;

Post-World War II Torpedoes of the United States of America - NavWeaps

www.navweaps.com

 

[Stryder50]

If you are aware of SAVAK Dumbo then you have no excuse, and you clowns know all about loving tyrants you supported some of the worst in central and South America for decades.

And your country has an even worse track record, going back centuries.
Hence even less excuse, you dunce.*
You might recall we were one of your earlier of many mistakes, and broke that contact and contract about 250 years ago.

*You'd have better credibility if you dropped the ad homineums and focus on learning some more facts that are real and true.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Why just on subs ?
Could load on surface ships or aircraft.

Those are used for subs!

We use Harpoons and other missiles for ships. Dumb bombs work great too, as the Brits found out in the Falklands.

 

[Deadstick]

And your country has an even worse track record, going back centuries.
Hence even less excuse, you dunce.*
You might recall we were one of your earlier of many mistakes, and broke that contact and contract about 250 years ago.

*You'd have better credibility if you dropped the ad homineums and focus on learning some more facts that are real and true.

I am well aware of the crimes of British Colonialism that doesn't excuse the crimes of your Imperialism you dumb asshole.

 

[Stryder50]

Those are used for subs!

We use Harpoons and other missiles for ships. Dumb bombs work great too, as the Brits found out in the Falklands.

I noticed some on that link/list were for surface ships and/or aircraft use.

 

[Stryder50]

I am well aware of the crimes of British Colonialism that doesn't excuse the crimes of your Imperialism you dumb asshole.

Nor the crimes of your nation post 1776 in it's other colonial ventures if you really want to compare notes here.

Oh yeah, "dumb asshole"!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I noticed some on that link/list were for surface ships and/or aircraft use.

They are used against SUBS, dumbass!

They are carried by surface ships and aircraft. The torpedoes we carried on our ship were useless. We only had 6 and they were permanently loaded into the tubes on the deck.

If you ever got in a situation where you fired them instead of an ASROC, you were well on your way to the bottom when you fired them because they were such short range. We prosecuted with aircraft 100% of the time.

 

[Stryder50]

They are used against SUBS, dumbass!

They are carried by surface ships and aircraft. The torpedoes we carried on our ship were useless. If you ever got in a situation where you fired them instead of an ASROC, you were well on your way to the bottom when you fired them because they were such short range.

Well dumbass, go back and see where/how this dialogue started.
Also, subs being deep underwater doesn't mean weapons intended for use against them won't work on easier targets on the surface.

Petroleum tankers are not warships and will not shoot back.
Select torpedo types would be only one way/device/method to stop such ships from moving.
I've already stated I'm not in favor of shooting/torpedoing/attacking such tankers with destructive weapons.

I've already mentioned that weapons use to incapacitate tankers might be carried and used by surface ships and aircraft.

You might try to pay attention to the discussion and help inform others rather than ramble on your personal vendetta against me.

BTW, I'd bet you are a lousy chess player.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Well dumbass, go back and see where/how this dialogue started.
Also, subs being deep underwater doesn't mean weapons intended for use against them won't work on easier targets on the surface.

Petroleum tankers are not warships and will not shoot back.
Select torpedo types would be only one way/device/method to stop such ships from moving.
I've already stated I'm not in favor of shooting/torpedoing/attacking such tankers with destructive weapons.

I've already mentioned that weapons use to incapacitate tankers might be carried and used by surface ships and aircraft.

You might try to pay attention to the discussion and help inform others rather than ramble on your personal vendetta against me.

BTW, I'd bet you are a lousy chess player.

Another error on your part! You are incorrect. Torpedoes are not used on surface targets anymore, except by submarines and their primary mission is other subs. Period. WWII happened a long time ago.

You continue to illustrate how seriously uninformed you are.

 

[Stryder50]

Another error on your part! You are incorrect. Torpedoes are not used on surface targets anymore. Period. WWII happened a long time ago.

Doesn't mean they couldn't be.
Especially by other nations.
How did the USN recently sink an Iranian warship ?
How did UK sub sink Argentine warship/cruiser during Falklands war ?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Doesn't mean they couldn't be.
Especially by other nations.
How did the USN recently sink an Iranian warship ?
How did UK sub sink Argentine warship/cruiser during Falklands war ?

With a ******* submarine! That is exactly would be what would happen if you hit an oil tanker with a torpedo!

How were the ships the Brits lost in The Falklands lost? Mostly dumb iron bombs, and a few cruise missiles, but no torpedoes from Argentina.

 

[Deadstick]

Nor the crimes of your nation post 1776 in it's other colonial ventures if you really want to compare notes here.

Oh yeah, "dumb asshole"!

What the hell are you barking about?

 

[Stryder50]

With a ******* submarine! That is exactly would be what would happen if you hit an oil tanker with a torpedo!

How were the ships the Brits lost in The Falklands lost? Mostly dumb iron bombs, and a few cruise missiles, but no torpedoes from Argentina.

OMG !
Get a grip and sober up.
Depends where the tanker is hit and size of warhead on the torpedo. If it homes in on sounds of propeller and has a small warhead, it likely only disables the tanker not sinks it.

Ships the Brits loss were the topic I was suggesting. That's you deflection.

Back to point of my post to which your garbled reply;

The Argentine cruiser ARA General Belgrano was sunk on May 2, 1982, by the British nuclear submarine HMS Conqueror during the Falklands War. The sinking led to the death of 323 Argentine sailors, almost half of all Argentine casualties during the conflict, and sparked controversy, as the attack occurred outside the exclusion zone established by the British government around the islands. In the UK, some commentators have suggested that the action may have been motivated by political considerations, such as undermining peace talks or bolstering Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's popularity among the British public. In Argentina, some critics have characterized the sinking of the cruiser as a contentious act, with some even suggesting it could constitute a war crime, though this interpretation is debated and has not been legally substantiated. Some analyses argue that, from a military perspective, the sinking contributed to British naval superiority, which may have influenced the outcome of the conflict. However, this perspective remains part of broader debates about the strategic and ethical implications of the event.

The sinking of the General Belgrano was the first case of a warship being torpedoed and sunk in action by a nuclear submarine, and one of only four cases of a warship being sunk by any type of submarine since the end of the Second World War.
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Sinking of ARA General Belgrano - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Stryder50]

They are used against SUBS, dumbass!

They are carried by surface ships and aircraft. The torpedoes we carried on our ship were useless. We only had 6 and they were permanently loaded into the tubes on the deck.

If you ever got in a situation where you fired them instead of an ASROC, you were well on your way to the bottom when you fired them because they were such short range. We prosecuted with aircraft 100% of the time.

I meant as carriers of the torps, not targets.
Lear to read dumbass! *
* By the way, you mature and cut the ad hominums and I will.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I meant as carriers of the torps, not targets.
Lear to read dumbass! *
* By the way, you mature and cut the ad hominums and I will.

They carry torpedoes for use against SUBS as their targets! Dumbass! Not surface vessels like oil tankers.

You need to lear to ******* read, yourself!

 

[Stryder50]

What the hell are you barking about?

That UK has fugged up the world in past 250 years several times more than the USA.
Recall you limeys started at least two World Wars we Yanks had to came and save you nation and bail your arses out of. Then help repair and rebuild your nation after the last one.