Official Coronavirus Thread - Up to the minute Coronavirus map and count.

[james bond]

there was never a reason to shut the country down. there were no numbers,

There were those millions of deaths numbers. All we had to go by were the Chinese in China locking people in their own homes and stuff. I dislike getting the newer flus because the symptoms comes in waves. We had serious symptoms with this one. If you feel like an elephant is sitting on your lungs or your lungs are filled with glass when you breathe and have to sit down and rest just trying to breathe, then you know it's a serious virus.

 

[james bond]

Excellent article on what Trump and his Admin knew and when. Iran is pure evil and the high tech is at the international airports.

Coronavirus: 100 days that changed the world

It started with a warning. It turned into a pandemic that has transformed life as we know it

www.theguardian.com

 

[jc456]

there was never a reason to shut the country down. there were no numbers,

There were those millions of deaths numbers. All we had to go by were the Chinese in China locking people in their own homes and stuff. I dislike getting the newer flus because the symptoms comes in waves. We had serious symptoms with this one. If you feel like an elephant is sitting on your lungs or your lungs are filled with glass when you breathe and have to sit down and rest just trying to breathe, then you know it's a serious virus.

I will agree they used those million death figures. No doubt in my mind. but that shooting from the hip philosophy is known as bad. We have historical data that could have been used. they could have weighed out different scenarios. they could have monitored the data and made adjustments in hot spots if they prevailed. To simply shut down an economy on absolutely no data is irresponsible and it's deadly.

 

[Ame®icano]

You have not done an actual lockdown, you have too many places still open and peoples going out and about. You should have done what we did total lockdown for 4 weeks, not only mass testing but more IMPORTANT Trace Testing of those who came into contact with those who already tested positive and Containment and then we are going to have 1 more week of total lockdown and hope to begin slowly reopening everything between April 14-end of June.

Because you did not do the above you are in approx 3 weeks going to go off the charts with New Cases and New Deaths. Even your Surgeon-General agrees with me, he didn't say anything about lockdowns but lockdowns are the only way to deal with something like this, he does agree with the analysis we were reading 2 weeks ago and that was on current estimates America is going to be hit full-on with thing by mid-April and here we are, you are now approaching Day Zero. I even just posted an article with comments from your Surgeon-General Jerome Adams where he says exactly this. My post # 2,368 below. If you WANT to keep the head in the sand it is your choice, but don't forget VERY VERY soon that we TOLD you so, we WARNED you and you ignored the warning.

Official Coronavirus Thread - Up to the minute Coronavirus map and count.

Yesterday was Indianapolis's worse rise. Yesterday. The curve isn't even beginning to curve down. What happens over a period of a few days is too short to show anything. That's Indianapolis. The charts show that nationally deaths and new cases are decreasing. That could be temporary, but at...

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Lucy, first off, we (U.S.) are not Austria, meaning... we are not disciplined as you are, and we love our "freedom".

Let me elaborate. Back in eighties European countries signed Schengen agreement allowing open travel between it's members. With first outbreak of virus, top EU countries closed their borders and put armed guards on it. It turns out that German, French, or Austrian passports are not so European after all, and that globalist European "union", is not really an union, and that Germany only care about Germans, and Austria about Austrians.

Whether this fact of life is inherently illiberal depends on perspective and how different nations act internally under duress. Is Austria too trenchant in its response to the virus and Sweden too liberal? Who’s to say? Well, Germans, Austrian, Swiss... they are disciplined and trained to obey their governments. They don't know different. Just as French, Spanish, or Italians are more prone to socializing, and hugging, and of course... occasionally telling their government to **** off.

In time of pandemic, what exactly needed are competing visions as to the severity and scope of the problem, differing localized approaches, experimental treatments, and nimble entrepreneurial provision of resources and supplies.

I read your posts where you demand that your (Austrian) model is the right one and you blindly support it, and going nutz over Sweden model. What if your government chose to just kill on the spot all infected to stop the spread (which would be North Korean model) would you still blindly support your government? Something tells me you (Austrians) would, and so would Germans, and Swiss, etc...

 

[Pogo]

This is strange....seeing in other countries too ? Wonder why the noise and now it is leveling out. Recovery to death is 3:1 ?
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That kind of chart is bullshit. It's implying deaths and recoveries have equal time to manifest. They most definitely DO NOT.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

 

[Pogo]

Yesterday was Indianapolis's worse rise. Yesterday.
The curve isn't even beginning to curve down. What happens over a period of a few days is too short to show anything.

That's Indianapolis. The charts show that nationally deaths and new cases are decreasing. That could be temporary, but at this point it's moving in the right direction.

If you look at Spain and Italy, they have bee on a downward slope for the past 7-10 days.

We should follow.

What I don't understand is New York.

I think they've ignored a lot of warnings since this got back and now they are really fucked.

800 deaths just today.

You are on our estimates following the same curve as Spain and Italy and in approx 3 weeks America will see a massive increase in COVID-19 New Cases and also New Deaths, you will get to Spain and Italy levels this because you have not put New York in TOTAL ISOLATION from the rest of ALL America, especially the States that surround it and you still are not in total lockdown you have State to State travel and this is why you are not containing this thing because with this State to State travel you are allowing it to spread.

Spain already today has 3.835 New Cases they are not on a downward slope. You only can say you are on a downward slope when your Newly Recovered is going higher every day for 7 days than your Newly Infected is going lower, the below illustrates that Spain is not flattening the curve also Italy is not see second below graph:

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While I am not sure we agree on what a downward slope means, 3800 new cases is much lower than their peak of nearly 7500 cases 10 days ago.

To me, this means the rate of increase is decreasing. It is a rate change. If you look at the new cases curve, it has reached an inflection point (did about a week ago) which means the rate of new cases has started to decrease.

Spain has 48 hours of lower figures than 72 hours ago, this is not flattening the curve, let's see if Spain can radically reduce the Newly Infected numbers on a 7 day chart.

Spain's New Recovery is also going down this means that more are dying than recovering:

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I am open to discussion on what is happening and how to interpr

Yesterday was Indianapolis's worse rise. Yesterday.
The curve isn't even beginning to curve down. What happens over a period of a few days is too short to show anything.

That's Indianapolis. The charts show that nationally deaths and new cases are decreasing. That could be temporary, but at this point it's moving in the right direction.

The trend is still going up. There will be around 15000 - 20000 deaths by Easter. Testing has been a disaster in California. Taking way too long.

You are basically correct. They will NOT listen, many of the Rightists at this forum will NOT even listen to what I am posting about COVID-19 and I'm a Rightist. I have been attempting to warn them for several weeks, but they seem to be locked into this mentality of thinking nothing is going to happen to America BECAUSE it's America. I posted a week and half ago that America was literally going to become the epicentre of COVID-19 and they all thought this was incorrect and then what occur, yes days later America became the epicentre of COVID-19. IF they won't even listen and pay attention to another Rightist on this issue they will pay attention to nobody.

smh. I am getting the same message and am a conservative, too. When medical people have to go to the dark web to get N95 quality masks, then something is wrong and medical centers are being overwhelmed. The testing which was supposed to be our first line of defense has failed or is failing. I'll be interested in those countries that have relaxed their quarantine to see whether there is a reoccurance of COVID-19.

You can look at Sweden.

They are taking some risks...but they are not being overwhelmed.

" You can look at Sweden.

They are taking some risks...but they are not being overwhelmed."

SWEDEN?! Sweden is a disaster, they have not taken ANY lockdown measure, they are all walking around and EVERYWHERE is still open. WTF?! The examples you think America should follow are a combination of Spain-Italy-Sweden. What a DANGEROUS strategy that would be. Sweden especially has done the EXACT OPPOSITE of what it should have done and they are still the ONLY nation on this Continent that has not closed ANYTHING, the whole of Sweden is open. The Government of Sweden's non-action is CRIMINAL.

Read the below article about what a disaster Sweden and their non-measures have been:

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Sweden warned 'thousands will die' as officials refuse lockdown

SWEDISH prime minister Stefan Lofven has warned the country to prepare for thousands of deaths after more than 2,000 doctors and academics criticised its laissez-faire approach to the pandemic.

www.express.co.uk

More articles:

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Did Sweden get its coronavirus strategy horribly wrong?

There are signs that the death rate in Sweden is growing faster than elsewhere in Scandinavia, raising pressure on the government to abandon its controversial hands-off approach in tackling Covid-19.

www.scmp.com

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Reuters | Breaking International News & Views

Find latest news from every corner of the globe at Reuters.com, your online source for breaking international news coverage.

uk.reuters.com

Well, that about does it (as far as your credibility is concerned).

Sweden is not a disaster compared to most.

I started a thread on this quite some time ago and all the freak out artists pulled the same bullshit. They have neighbors who are doing better and doing worse.

The painc quote you put up is from a week ago.

They had 141 deaths yesterday....a huge jump from the last several days where they were below 30.

On a population adjusted basis, they have a few more cases than Finland and LOT LESS cases than Norway.

I wish I were there.

Sweden has only tested a quarter of the population that Norway has. Their rate is even below even OUR level. That means they have who knows how many silent carriers walking around transmitting but certainly more than Norway has.

Lucy knows whereof she speaks. She's literally out on the front lines in hazmat suits. Also her husband's grandfather is a doctor who pulled himself out of retirement to help there --- in Norway.

 

[Pogo]

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Yanno, that's exactly what I've been saying all this time about television. And it even convinces drones to go out and BUY their way into the commodity fetishism propaganda. Matter of fact it's right above, on the right.

Not related to this thread, but always a worthy reminder.

 

[Doc7505]

Bam

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The Captain's Journal » Analysis Of The Covid-19 Pandemic

A doom porner adds commentary to a few days old report from Breitbart

A large snip

It ought to be no surprise that chloroquine is effective against both SARS and COVID-19. After all, they are both coronaviruses and COVID-19 has often been described in medical and research sources as SARS-2.
Chloroquine works by enabling the body’s cells better to absorb zinc, which is key in preventing viral RNA transcription – and disrupting the often fatal cytokine storm.
As at least one person has noticed, the implications of this are enormous. If the medical establishment – including CDC – has been aware of the efficacy of chloroquine in treating coronavirus for at least 14 years, why has it not been mass produced and made available sooner?
Here, you might have imagined, is the dream solution: a stop gap treatment for coronavirus which could save many lives and obviate the need for this global lockdown which is destroying our economies.
Why isn’t the solution being shouted from the rooftops?
One possibility, as I suggested yesterday, is that there is no money in it for Big Pharma. Chloroquine is a generic drug. That’s why Big Pharma’s lobbyists have worked hard to persuade governments that there can be no acceptable solution till a patented vaccine is brought on to the market.

Even if there is nothing nefarious about this (e.g., the Covid-19 virus is too different to surmise the applicability of a specific drug until it has been tested), the optics are very, very bad for big Pharma. Very bad indeed. It took French researchers to push hydroelectrically as a therapeutic. Why? Why not American doctors?

As I said before, the CDC and the NIH bear a huge amount of responsibility for all of this. Dr. Anthony Fauci should be canned as soon as possible and replaced with someone competent to do the job. America was caught too unprepared for my tastes.

On another front, based on one source, I can report that a local hospital has taken the following position concerning hydroxychloroquine. “It will only be administered by infectious disease doctors, and then, only as a very last resort, i.e., as “rescue adjunctive therapy” and only after development of ARDS.”

But what if the patient is too ill to recover at that point? Why wait this late?

The confusion over hydroxychloroquine usage is a good illustration of why clinical trials are so important. A Doctor needs to know the likelihood of a drug making a difference in the life of his patient, as well as the correct dosage, and what to expect after prescribing the drug.

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[Pogo]

his is strange....seeing in other countries too ? Wonder why the noise and now it is leveling out. Recovery to death is 3:1 ?

What did you expect? It's 75% to 25%.

Yes, I see that. That is where the 3:1 came from.

A bit puzzling.

Any thoughts on why ?

YES. Again as I keep telling you.... TIME. It takes way more TIME for a human to overcome the virus than it takes for the virus to overcome a human. That's why recoveries *LAG* the death count. That's why it's unrealistic to compare them in the same time frame, because you've given the two outcomes different periods to manifest themselves. That's also why it was only about a week ago that our recovery number even EXCEEDED the death toll. It had been something like 70/30 death-to-recovery. That's not a real picture and it CAN'T be a real picture until enough TIME has elapsed to give BOTH numbers a chance to settle wherever they settle. We can't know that number until it's all over.

In other words if you started today to learn the directions to the post office and to learn to speak Hungarian, you'd get the first way before you'd get the second. So comparing your progress on the two tomorrow would be unrealistic.

 

[2aguy]

there was never a reason to shut the country down. there were no numbers,

There were those millions of deaths numbers. All we had to go by were the Chinese in China locking people in their own homes and stuff. I dislike getting the newer flus because the symptoms comes in waves. We had serious symptoms with this one. If you feel like an elephant is sitting on your lungs or your lungs are filled with glass when you breathe and have to sit down and rest just trying to breathe, then you know it's a serious virus.

I will agree they used those million death figures. No doubt in my mind. but that shooting from the hip philosophy is known as bad. We have historical data that could have been used. they could have weighed out different scenarios. they could have monitored the data and made adjustments in hot spots if they prevailed. To simply shut down an economy on absolutely no data is irresponsible and it's deadly.

It was either incompetence...in which case these asshats should be banned for life from any research jobs..........or a direct attack on President Trump with a side benefit for them in crushing the U.S. economy....

And no....social distancing did not change the number from 1-2 million dead Americans to 60,415 dead.......the same as a normal flu season.....you do not get the same number as a seasonal flu with social distancing with a virus we were told was so virulent, so deadly that 1-2 million Americans would die without any measures........

This was a scam..........they wanted to destroy the U.S. economy before the election....

 

[Pogo]

Epidemiologist: Coronavirus could be 'exterminated' if lockdowns lifted * WorldNetDaily * by WND Staff

The unprecedented policy of mass quarantine to "flatten the curve" is only prolonging the coronavirus pandemic, contends epidemiologist Kurt Wittkowski

www.wnd.com

Whirled Nuts Daily, home of Birferism and the claimant that soy is making kids gay. DOOOOOn't think so.

 

[Pogo]

As of end of day Eastern Time United States April 7, 2020:

Infection Totals by Country:

1. United States - 400,540
2. Spain - 141,942
3. Italy - 135,586
4. France - 109,069
5. Germany - 107,663
6. China - 81,802
7. Japan - 4,257

Infection Totals by U.S. State:

1. New York - 142,384
2. New Jersey - 44,416
3. California - 17,614
4. Florida - 14,747
5. Pennsylvania - 14,559
6. Washington - 8,682
7. West Virginia - 412

KNOWING that West Virginia was the LAST state to report a case, I knew there was something fucked up about this list so I checked it out. Turns out WV is 45th in the number of cases, not 7th.

Matter of fact this entire list is pure bullshit. the actual 1-7 are
1 New York
2 New Jersey
3 Michigan
4 California
5 Louisiana
6 Florida
7 Massachusetts

Matter of fact just to be extra sure I checked what the numbers were yesterday and the order was the same with the exception of only Florida which moved up from #8. So this list quoted isn't even remotely close to real.

 

[Pogo]

BTW, every job is essential. no matter what it is. that is my disappointment with the president, you don't shut down business after stating unemployment is the villian to defeat, and stick 17 million in it. that's ludicrous.

We are learning more about this virus and how to deal with it. I wear my mask outside in the open air to make sure someone who I pass doesn't accidentally sneeze. However, it's more for confined spaces indoors. Earlier, we didn't like to see employees of stores wearing a face mask and elastic gloves, but now I welcome it. It's the same with the Amazon employees; they want to work with masks, gloves, thermometer checks, social distancing, and the precautions.

The testing is still the game changer for the whole economy. It's up to over 2 million now. That's a drop in the bucket, but it will help pinpoint where the trouble areas are. Not every city or town needs to be sheltered in place.

I live in a very rural area and everything is in effect locked down. People in masks, stores closed, restaurants take-out only, the whole shebang. That's why our county still has no cases and it's how we keep it that way as long as we can. We had enough advance notice that we could pre-empt.

You can either be one town in Italy that ignores the whole thing, then gets overwhelmed when it spreads like wildfiire, or you can be another town in Italy that tests everybody, sequesters its silent carriers, locks down and wipes the virus out. NOBODY is exempt from contagion just because they don't want to be inconvenienced. You can take the bull by the horns, or you can let the bull take you.

 

[Ame®icano]

As of end of day Eastern Time United States April 7, 2020:

Infection Totals by Country:

1. United States - 400,540
2. Spain - 141,942
3. Italy - 135,586
4. France - 109,069
5. Germany - 107,663
6. China - 81,802
7. Japan - 4,257

Infection Totals by U.S. State:

1. New York - 142,384
2. New Jersey - 44,416
3. California - 17,614
4. Florida - 14,747
5. Pennsylvania - 14,559
6. Washington - 8,682
7. West Virginia - 412

KNOWING that West Virginia was the LAST state to report a case, I knew there was something fucked up about this list so I checked it out. Turns out WV is 45th in the number of cases, not 7th.

Matter of fact this entire list is pure bullshit. the actual 1-7 are
1 New York
2 New Jersey
3 Michigan
4 California
5 Louisiana
6 Florida
7 Massachusetts

Matter of fact just to be extra sure I checked what the numbers were yesterday and the order was the same with the exception of only Florida which moved up from #8. So this list quoted isn't even remotely close to real.

Well, YOU know everything.

Nobody else can read charts, just you.

Stop spamming the board with your "knowledge" nobody cares about.

Go back to celebrating China, and cheering rise of US infections.

 

[jc456]

BTW, every job is essential. no matter what it is. that is my disappointment with the president, you don't shut down business after stating unemployment is the villian to defeat, and stick 17 million in it. that's ludicrous.

We are learning more about this virus and how to deal with it. I wear my mask outside in the open air to make sure someone who I pass doesn't accidentally sneeze. However, it's more for confined spaces indoors. Earlier, we didn't like to see employees of stores wearing a face mask and elastic gloves, but now I welcome it. It's the same with the Amazon employees; they want to work with masks, gloves, thermometer checks, social distancing, and the precautions.

The testing is still the game changer for the whole economy. It's up to over 2 million now. That's a drop in the bucket, but it will help pinpoint where the trouble areas are. Not every city or town needs to be sheltered in place.

I live in a very rural area and everything is in effect locked down. People in masks, stores closed, restaurants take-out only, the whole shebang. That's why our county still has no cases and it's how we keep it that way as long as we can. We had enough advance notice that we could pre-empt.

You can either be one town in Italy that ignores the whole thing, then gets overwhelmed when it spreads like wildfiire, or you can be another town in Italy that tests everybody, sequesters its silent carriers, locks down and wipes the virus out. NOBODY is exempt from contagion just because they don't want to be inconvenienced. You can take the bull by the horns, or you can let the bull take you.

you have no data to make such a statement. just don't. how many had the virus before lockdown. hmmmmm, zero. right?

 

[M14 Shooter]

A HUGE one-day drop in projections.

4-7:
US projection, @ peak (15 APR)
shortage of beds: 36654
shortage of ICU beds 16323
Total death projections thru 4 AUG: 81766,
Range: 49131-136401 (+/- 40%)

4-8:
US projection, @ peak (11 APR)
shortage of beds: 15852
shortage of ICU beds 9047
Total death projections thru 4 AUG: 60415
Range: 31221-126703 (+/- 48%)

IHME | COVID-19 Projections

 

[Sun Devil 92]

his is strange....seeing in other countries too ? Wonder why the noise and now it is leveling out. Recovery to death is 3:1 ?

What did you expect? It's 75% to 25%.

Yes, I see that. That is where the 3:1 came from.

A bit puzzling.

Any thoughts on why ?

YES. Again as I keep telling you.... TIME. It takes way more TIME for a human to overcome the virus than it takes for the virus to overcome a human. That's why recoveries *LAG* the death count. That's why it's unrealistic to compare them in the same time frame, because you've given the two outcomes different periods to manifest themselves. That's also why it was only about a week ago that our recovery number even EXCEEDED the death toll. It had been something like 70/30 death-to-recovery. That's not a real picture and it CAN'T be a real picture until enough TIME has elapsed to give BOTH numbers a chance to settle wherever they settle. We can't know that number until it's all over.

In other words if you started today to learn the directions to the post office and to learn to speak Hungarian, you'd get the first way before you'd get the second. So comparing your progress on the two tomorrow would be unrealistic.

I am not sure we've discussed time, but it was clear that if you didn't see a death rate of 25% in the data....they were computing it some other way. What you describes fits well. It just seemed a little out of kilter.

They are computing some kind of mortality rate....can't recall how...but even then it seemed it was missing the time lags you describe.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

This is strange....seeing in other countries too ? Wonder why the noise and now it is leveling out. Recovery to death is 3:1 ?
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That kind of chart is bullshit. It's implying deaths and recoveries have equal time to manifest. They most definitely DO NOT.

This is right from World-O-Meters....but I would agree it is not to be read in terms of mortality. It is just a reconcilliation. I didn't say much around it. The thing I believe it would be useful for is just watching the trends.....even though there is the time lag. Should thinks start to shift.....it would say....let's look for something that might have changed.

 

[U2Edge]

As of end of day Eastern Time United States April 7, 2020:

Infection Totals by Country:

1. United States - 400,540
2. Spain - 141,942
3. Italy - 135,586
4. France - 109,069
5. Germany - 107,663
6. China - 81,802
7. Japan - 4,257

Infection Totals by U.S. State:

1. New York - 142,384
2. New Jersey - 44,416
3. California - 17,614
4. Florida - 14,747
5. Pennsylvania - 14,559
6. Washington - 8,682
7. West Virginia - 412

KNOWING that West Virginia was the LAST state to report a case, I knew there was something fucked up about this list so I checked it out. Turns out WV is 45th in the number of cases, not 7th.

Matter of fact this entire list is pure bullshit. the actual 1-7 are
1 New York
2 New Jersey
3 Michigan
4 California
5 Louisiana
6 Florida
7 Massachusetts

Matter of fact just to be extra sure I checked what the numbers were yesterday and the order was the same with the exception of only Florida which moved up from #8. So this list quoted isn't even remotely close to real.

These were just seven states I picked to track. I picked West Virginia because at one time it had the lowest cases. I picked Washington state because that is where the first outbreak was. I picked Pennsylvania and Florida because that is where my family and I live. Only New York, New Jersey and California were selected for their high numbers.