My son may have ADHD

[koshergrl]

No you really don't know shit about the medical condition of anyone, unless you are a DR and have examined them.

Neither do I.
no link ..no credibility not even a youtube video

Yeah...so what is the test for ADHD? It's not a brain disorder. It's a condition that consists of a variety of "symptoms" that, each taken alone or even in groups, signify nothing. It's when they are all evident in the body of one child that they want to medicate.

They're difficult behaviors. That's no reason to fry your kid's brain.

Well, I guess you know more than the entire Center for Disease Control and World Health Organization:

About half of mental disorders begin before the age of 14. Around 20% of the world's children and adolescents are estimated to have mental disorders or problems, with similar types of disorders being reported across cultures.

ADHD isn't a mental disorder.

 

[Liability]

Yeah...so what is the test for ADHD? It's not a brain disorder. It's a condition that consists of a variety of "symptoms" that, each taken alone or even in groups, signify nothing. It's when they are all evident in the body of one child that they want to medicate.

They're difficult behaviors. That's no reason to fry your kid's brain.

Well, I guess you know more than the entire Center for Disease Control and World Health Organization:

About half of mental disorders begin before the age of 14. Around 20% of the world's children and adolescents are estimated to have mental disorders or problems, with similar types of disorders being reported across cultures.

ADHD isn't a mental disorder.

It kinda is. NIMH · Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD)

But according to id-eots, the distinction is irrelevant because ADHD doesn't even exist!

 

[Liability]

id-eots imagines that his firm grasp on YouTube provides him with superior information and knowledge than actual doctors at the national institute of mental health.

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publ...ficit-hyperactivity-disorder/adhd_booklet.pdf

THOSE poor deluded and obviously uninformed, ignorant and misled (or deliberately deceiving) sons of bitches dispute what id-eots pretends he "knows." They claim,

Genes. Inherited from our parents, genes are the “blueprints” for who we are. Results from several international studies of twins show that ADHD often runs in families. Researchers are looking at several genes that may make people more likely to develop the disorder.2,3 Knowing the genes involved may one day help researchers prevent the disorder before symptoms develop. Learning about specific genes could also lead to better treatments.

And they cite: 2 Faraone SV, Perlis RH, Doyle AE, Smoller JW, Goralnick JJ, Holmgren MA, Sklar P. Molecular genetics of attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder. Biological Psychiatry, 2005; 57:1313-1323.
3 Khan SA, Faraone SV. The genetics of attention-deficit/hyperactivity

But id-eots knows better.

 

[Samson]

Yeah...so what is the test for ADHD? It's not a brain disorder. It's a condition that consists of a variety of "symptoms" that, each taken alone or even in groups, signify nothing. It's when they are all evident in the body of one child that they want to medicate.

They're difficult behaviors. That's no reason to fry your kid's brain.

Well, I guess you know more than the entire Center for Disease Control and World Health Organization:

About half of mental disorders begin before the age of 14. Around 20% of the world's children and adolescents are estimated to have mental disorders or problems, with similar types of disorders being reported across cultures.

ADHD isn't a mental disorder.

Why? Because you say so?

Sorry sweetie, but the Center for Diease Control disagrees, and frankly, their cred is a lot better than yours.

Here's a link to the post where I referenced the CDC report already in this thread.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/health-and-lifestyle/275316-my-son-may-have-adhd-6.html#post6729630

Please don't think I'm going to make a habit of spoon-feeding you as well as eots, to whom I also had to nurse like an intellectual infant on page 17 of the thread:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/health-and-lifestyle/275316-my-son-may-have-adhd-17.html#post6763063

 

[Samson]

Well, I guess you know more than the entire Center for Disease Control and World Health Organization:

About half of mental disorders begin before the age of 14. Around 20% of the world's children and adolescents are estimated to have mental disorders or problems, with similar types of disorders being reported across cultures.

ADHD isn't a mental disorder.

It kinda is. NIMH · Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD)

But according to id-eots, the distinction is irrelevant because ADHD doesn't even exist!

The National Institute for Mental Health? .......what possible credentials would they have compared to koshergirl and eots?

 

[thanatos144]

Truth is that it doesn't matter if you think adhd exists or not or if it is a mental disorder or not..... It is how it is being used that is bothersome. Look at the warning signs for it and tell me it doesn't fit almost every boy you know? Not only that but they only need to find two signs to say a kid has some form of adhd . It is clear teachers are using the drugs as babysitters. Parents are as well. These drugs are no joke. They are ******* dangerous to adult can you imagine what it is doing to a developing brain of a child? Look I know people like to think doctors would never cause harm to patients but truth is like most scientists they don't like being wrong at any time.

 

[Samson]

Truth is that it doesn't matter if you think adhd exists or not or if it is a mental disorder or not..... It is how it is being used that is bothersome. Look at the warning signs for it and tell me it doesn't fit almost every boy you know? Not only that but they only need to find two signs to say a kid has some form of adhd . It is clear teachers are using the drugs as babysitters. Parents are as well. These drugs are no joke. They are ******* dangerous to adult can you imagine what it is dpi.g to a developing brain of a child? Look I know people like to think doctors would never cause harm to patciants (can't seem to spell it) but truth is like most scientists they don't like being wrong at any time.

Wow are you always a blithering idiot or do you just save it for posts.


No one ever said no perscription can be abused, or that every diagnosis is perfect.

Go back to your sandbox.

 

[koshergrl]

The CDC doesn't define mental illness. It gathers stats and is primarily concerned with contagious diseases. I'm not sure what you keep carping about them for.

 

[thanatos144]

Truth is that it doesn't matter if you think adhd exists or not or if it is a mental disorder or not..... It is how it is being used that is bothersome. Look at the warning signs for it and tell me it doesn't fit almost every boy you know? Not only that but they only need to find two signs to say a kid has some form of adhd . It is clear teachers are using the drugs as babysitters. Parents are as well. These drugs are no joke. They are ******* dangerous to adult can you imagine what it is dpi.g to a developing brain of a child? Look I know people like to think doctors would never cause harm to patciants (can't seem to spell it) but truth is like most scientists they don't like being wrong at any time.

Wow are you always a blithering idiot or do you just save it for posts.


No one ever said no perscription can be abused, or that every diagnosis is perfect.

Go back to your sandbox.

It isn't about abusing it you ******* idiot. It is dangerous just taking the prescribed dose....At what point do you ever think giving a child amphetamines is a good thing let alone twice a day? Have you ever taken the drugs ???? Do you even understand how it effects you?

 

[Liability]

ADHD isn't a mental disorder.

It kinda is. NIMH · Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD)

But according to id-eots, the distinction is irrelevant because ADHD doesn't even exist!

The National Institute for Mental Health? .......what possible credentials would they have compared to koshergirl and eots?

Good point.

I bet those geeks at the NIMH haven't even used YouTube as a primary source.

 

[Samson]

The CDC doesn't define mental illness. It gathers stats and is primarily concerned with contagious diseases. I'm not sure what you keep carping about them for.

Your lack of understanding is no surprise.




If you cannot use the link, and read the site, then there's not much hope for overcoming your ignorance.

 

[thanatos144]

It kinda is. NIMH · Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD)

But according to id-eots, the distinction is irrelevant because ADHD doesn't even exist!

The National Institute for Mental Health? .......what possible credentials would they have compared to koshergirl and eots?

Good point.

I bet those geeks at the NIMH haven't even used YouTube as a primary source.

Do you think being a boy constitutes a mental disorder??????

 

[koshergrl]

The CDC doesn't define mental illness. It gathers stats and is primarily concerned with contagious diseases. I'm not sure what you keep carping about them for.

Your lack of understanding is no surprise.




If you cannot use the link, and read the site, then there's not much hope for overcoming your ignorance.

Your devotion to drugs is no surprise, either.

 

[Samson]

The National Institute for Mental Health? .......what possible credentials would they have compared to koshergirl and eots?

Good point.

I bet those geeks at the NIMH haven't even used YouTube as a primary source.

Do you think being a boy constitutes a mental disorder??????

Here's the other side, from the National Library of Medicine.



An update on central nervous system stimulant formulations in children and adolescents with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder.

Chavez B, Sopko MA Jr, Ehret MJ, Paulino RE, Goldberg KR, Angstadt K, Bogart GT.

CONCLUSIONS:

Stimulants are effective medications to treat the symptoms of ADHD. The multiple available dosage forms allow for individualization of treatment.

OBJECTIVE:

To review recent literature on the different stimulant preparations regarding efficacy and safety in children and adolescents with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and describe advantages and disadvantages of the many available dosage formulations.

DATA SOURCES:

Literature retrieval was performed through PubMed/MEDLINE (2005-December 2008) using the terms methylphenidate, amphetamines, central nervous system stimulants, and attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder. In addition, reference citations from publications identified were reviewed and drug manufacturers were contacted for any possible additional references.

STUDY SELECTION AND DATA EXTRACTION:

Double-blind clinical trials found using the search criteria listed above were included for review. Open-label studies and studies prior to 2005 were included if no double-blind trials were published for that formulation within the time period reviewed.

DATA SYNTHESIS:

The literature reviewed here demonstrates the efficacy and safety of stimulant medications in children and adolescents with ADHD. However, there are 19 different formulations of stimulants, leading to confusion and errors in prescribing and dispensing of these drugs. Knowing and understanding the advantages and disadvantages of the different formulations can lead to individualized treatment. Formulations like Concerta, Focalin-XR, Adderall-XR, and Vyvanse provide the convenience of once-daily dosing. Each of these provides varying amount of stimulants at different times of the day. Vyvanse has a unique delivery system that may lower the risk of patients abusing their medication. Daytrana gives patients more control over their dosing by being able to choose when the patch is removed; it is also a feasible alternative for children who cannot swallow pills. For patients who cannot swallow tablets or capsules, the capsules of Focalin-XR, Adderall-XR, Metadate-CD, and Ritalin-LA can be opened and sprinkled on applesauce.

 

[Samson]

The CDC doesn't define mental illness. It gathers stats and is primarily concerned with contagious diseases. I'm not sure what you keep carping about them for.

Your lack of understanding is no surprise.




If you cannot use the link, and read the site, then there's not much hope for overcoming your ignorance.

Your devotion to drugs is no surprise, either.

Surrendur in the form of a weak attempt to insult works for me.



Sadly for you, there's nothing to perscribe for argumentative failure.



But thanks for playing.

 

[thanatos144]

Good point.

I bet those geeks at the NIMH haven't even used YouTube as a primary source.

Do you think being a boy constitutes a mental disorder??????

Here's the other side, from the National Library of Medicine.



An update on central nervous system stimulant formulations in children and adolescents with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder.

Chavez B, Sopko MA Jr, Ehret MJ, Paulino RE, Goldberg KR, Angstadt K, Bogart GT.

CONCLUSIONS:

Stimulants are effective medications to treat the symptoms of ADHD. The multiple available dosage forms allow for individualization of treatment.

OBJECTIVE:

To review recent literature on the different stimulant preparations regarding efficacy and safety in children and adolescents with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and describe advantages and disadvantages of the many available dosage formulations.

DATA SOURCES:

Literature retrieval was performed through PubMed/MEDLINE (2005-December 2008) using the terms methylphenidate, amphetamines, central nervous system stimulants, and attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder. In addition, reference citations from publications identified were reviewed and drug manufacturers were contacted for any possible additional references.

STUDY SELECTION AND DATA EXTRACTION:

Double-blind clinical trials found using the search criteria listed above were included for review. Open-label studies and studies prior to 2005 were included if no double-blind trials were published for that formulation within the time period reviewed.

DATA SYNTHESIS:

The literature reviewed here demonstrates the efficacy and safety of stimulant medications in children and adolescents with ADHD. However, there are 19 different formulations of stimulants, leading to confusion and errors in prescribing and dispensing of these drugs. Knowing and understanding the advantages and disadvantages of the different formulations can lead to individualized treatment. Formulations like Concerta, Focalin-XR, Adderall-XR, and Vyvanse provide the convenience of once-daily dosing. Each of these provides varying amount of stimulants at different times of the day. Vyvanse has a unique delivery system that may lower the risk of patients abusing their medication. Daytrana gives patients more control over their dosing by being able to choose when the patch is removed; it is also a feasible alternative for children who cannot swallow pills. For patients who cannot swallow tablets or capsules, the capsules of Focalin-XR, Adderall-XR, Metadate-CD, and Ritalin-LA can be opened and sprinkled on applesauce.

Your making my point for me....You ignorantly do think it is a good thing to give children amphetamines....You also have not clue what it is like to be on these drugs.... All because of what???? You to lazy to actually parent? To punish the child for being a child?

 

[koshergrl]

I don't believe anyone doubted that speed reduces the symptoms of adhd. Laudanum also reduced the symptoms.

The point is...why dope your kids for being kids?

 

[koshergrl]

Your lack of understanding is no surprise.




If you cannot use the link, and read the site, then there's not much hope for overcoming your ignorance.

Your devotion to drugs is no surprise, either.

Surrendur in the form of a weak attempt to insult works for me.



Sadly for you, there's nothing to perscribe for argumentative failure.



But thanks for playing.

*yawn*

 

[Samson]

Do you think being a boy constitutes a mental disorder??????

Here's the other side, from the National Library of Medicine.



An update on central nervous system stimulant formulations in children and adolescents with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder.

Chavez B, Sopko MA Jr, Ehret MJ, Paulino RE, Goldberg KR, Angstadt K, Bogart GT.

CONCLUSIONS:

Stimulants are effective medications to treat the symptoms of ADHD. The multiple available dosage forms allow for individualization of treatment.

OBJECTIVE:

To review recent literature on the different stimulant preparations regarding efficacy and safety in children and adolescents with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and describe advantages and disadvantages of the many available dosage formulations.

DATA SOURCES:

Literature retrieval was performed through PubMed/MEDLINE (2005-December 2008) using the terms methylphenidate, amphetamines, central nervous system stimulants, and attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder. In addition, reference citations from publications identified were reviewed and drug manufacturers were contacted for any possible additional references.

STUDY SELECTION AND DATA EXTRACTION:

Double-blind clinical trials found using the search criteria listed above were included for review. Open-label studies and studies prior to 2005 were included if no double-blind trials were published for that formulation within the time period reviewed.

DATA SYNTHESIS:

The literature reviewed here demonstrates the efficacy and safety of stimulant medications in children and adolescents with ADHD. However, there are 19 different formulations of stimulants, leading to confusion and errors in prescribing and dispensing of these drugs. Knowing and understanding the advantages and disadvantages of the different formulations can lead to individualized treatment. Formulations like Concerta, Focalin-XR, Adderall-XR, and Vyvanse provide the convenience of once-daily dosing. Each of these provides varying amount of stimulants at different times of the day. Vyvanse has a unique delivery system that may lower the risk of patients abusing their medication. Daytrana gives patients more control over their dosing by being able to choose when the patch is removed; it is also a feasible alternative for children who cannot swallow pills. For patients who cannot swallow tablets or capsules, the capsules of Focalin-XR, Adderall-XR, Metadate-CD, and Ritalin-LA can be opened and sprinkled on applesauce.

Your making my point for me....You ignorantly do think it is a good thing to give children amphetamines....You also have not clue what it is like to be on these drugs.... All because of what???? You to lazy to actually parent? To punish the child for being a child?

When you grow up, you'll comprehend.



Until then find a forum where your incredible level of stupidity isn't so obvious.

 

[thanatos144]

Here's the other side, from the National Library of Medicine.



An update on central nervous system stimulant formulations in children and adolescents with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder.

Chavez B, Sopko MA Jr, Ehret MJ, Paulino RE, Goldberg KR, Angstadt K, Bogart GT.

CONCLUSIONS:

Your making my point for me....You ignorantly do think it is a good thing to give children amphetamines....You also have not clue what it is like to be on these drugs.... All because of what???? You to lazy to actually parent? To punish the child for being a child?

When you grow up, you'll comprehend.



Until then find a forum where your incredible level of stupidity isn't so obvious.

Mother ****** unlike you I know first ******* hand what these drugs do and how dangerous they are. I also know they are unneeded XXXXXXX.You would have to actually make the effort! I know how amazing right? To actually take responsibility and parent the child instead of punishing it for being a child! XXXXXXX

No Family Attacks. Try to Not make it so personal.