My son may have ADHD

[eots]

Investigators from the Brookhaven National Laboratory used PET scans to study
the effects of Ritalin on overall cerebral blood flow. They measured the effect of clinical
doses of Ritalin on blood flow in normal volunteers. They found that Ritalin decreased
the overall flow of blood into the brain. The loss was large: 23-30% in all areas of the
brain, including the higher brain centers in the frontal lobes, as well as in the basal
ganglia deeper in the brain. The changes were a sufficiently dramatic to be grossly
so

A study at Ohio State University found that over 50 percent of the 24 young
adults being studied had atrophy, or loss, of brain tissue. They were all treated with
stimulants since childhood for hyperactivity. The researchers concluded that cortical
atrophy may be a long term effect of taking stimulant medications (Nasrallah 1986).

Rates of Depression and Anxiety Increase
Increased Sensitivity to Cocaine
Conclusion
Ritalin, or methylphenidate, is often used to treat attention deficit hyperactivity
disorder (ADHD) and attention deficit disorder (ADD). Some of the many long-term
effects of Ritalin use are reduced cerebral blood flow, increased energy consumption in
many areas of the brain, permanent loss of brain tissue, increased sensitivity to cocaine,
and life-long increased rates of depression and anxiety.
http://www.neurosoup.com/pdf/effects_of_longterm_ritalin_use.pdf

 

[koshergrl]

I think medication has it's uses. In adults who suffer from things like anxiety and panic attacks, I think meds which alleviate those symptoms to give some relief can be a blessed thing...but not every day.

Schizophrenia....well, I think that should be a personal decision made by the sufferer. The same with depression. One of my bosses had a daughter who battled with horrific depression from childhood on. She had meds...but had tried (seriously) to commit suicide more than once and finally succeeded while at college. What her mother said at her funeral was that her daughter had chosen to experience the horrible lows without medication, because with the medication, she missed out on joy of life as well. She preferred a more tumultuous experience than years of meh. And eventually it got the best of her and she killed herself, but who's to say she'd be better off being doped? She certainly wasn't happier when she was drugged.

By the same token, if medication makes you feel better and you're okay with the side effects, go for it.

But kids have no choice. And they are still developing. And they are better served learning to cope with the behaviors they have than masking those behaviors and developing new ones....given what we know about speed I don't see how anyone could ever advocate long-term use of it for any issue a kid has. We're using speed like we used to use laudanum. I think laudanum is preferrable.

 

[Mr. H.]

Most sufferers of Schizophrenia can't make rational decisions. Certainly not when they are off their meds.
I've acted as my younger brother's court-appointed guardian for the past 20 years. He's been doing great these last few years but oh man has he had his moments.

 

[koshergrl]

I know that. But i think they still have the right to determine whether or not they are medicated.

But adversely, i think schizophrenics who are unable to care for themselves should be institutionalized, if that is what is called for. There's nothing more pathetic than irrational people who are out on the street, unprotected and uncared for.

 

[Mr. H.]

I know that. But i think they still have the right to determine whether or not they are medicated.

But adversely, i think schizophrenics who are unable to care for themselves should be institutionalized, if that is what is called for. There's nothing more pathetic than irrational people who are out on the street, unprotected and uncared for.

That would call for rational self-determination. I've seen an irrational and unmedicated schizophrenic. Time after time, over the past 35 years. There's often very little (if any) concept of what is real, let alone the ability to make a personal decision regarding medication.

That second part, absolutely.

 

[koshergrl]

I know, but it's a matter of, is it worse to be crazy, or doped? I've been around them too...I haven't seen that they are so much happier when they're medicated, when they really don't want the medication. Sane and depressed, or just outright crazy...I think maybe just let them choose which is most comfortable for them, and then take whatever measures you have to to keep them as safe as possible.

There comes a point when I think we, and they, are best served just to take a breath and say, ok, this person is never going to be a rational, fully functional human....so let's go for comfort. Are they HAPPIER when they're medicated, or are they HAPPIER when they're talking to a football?

 

[eots]

Most sufferers of Schizophrenia can't make rational decisions. Certainly not when they are off their meds.
I've acted as my younger brother's court-appointed guardian for the past 20 years. He's been doing great these last few years but oh man has he had his moments.

once someone has taken anti-psychotics its a almost sure bet they will go nuts on a sudden withdraw..then this perpetuates the belief the medications are required and without them the person would be in psychosis. going off medications should be done slowly under a doctors care

 

[eots]

if there’s any mental illness in which you would not expect to see a placebo response, its schizophrenia. Other psychiatric disorders, one might argue, involve cognitions, beliefs, expectations, feelings, etc.—all of which could conceivably improve when a patient believes an intervention (yes, even a placebo pill) might make him feel better. But schizophrenia, by definition, is characterized by a distorted sense of reality, impaired thought processes, an inability to grasp the differences between the external world and the contents of one’s mind, and, frequently, the presence of bizarre sensory phenomena that can only come from the aberrant firing of the schizophrenic’s neurons. How could these symptoms, which almost surely arise from neurochemistry gone awry, respond to a sugar pill?

Yet respond they do. And not only do subjects in clinical trials get better with placebo, but the placebo response has been steadily improving over the last 20 years! Kinon and his colleagues summarized placebo response rates from various antipsychotic trials since 1993 and found a very clear and gradual improvement in scores over the last 15-20 years.
The Placebo Effect: It Just Gets Better and Better « Thought Broadcast

 

[Samson]

... this person is never going to be a rational, fully functional human....so let's go for comfort. Are they HAPPIER when they're medicated, or are they HAPPIER when they're talking to a football?

What if they are happier shooting the audience during the latest Batman movie or Democratic Representative from Arizona?


NOT ON MEDS because "there was no proof" of symptoms of a organic brain disorder and there was "no valid medical test for the brain disorder:"

You people are classic: If the medication doesn't work for EVERYONE, then it shouldn't be perscribed for ANYONE.

Guess what? Nothing works 100%. Medicine often works much less than 100%. Doesn't meant that its BAD to take, or that the symptoms that validate the persrciption must be verified by 100% accurate, "valid medical tests."

Anyone who has this sort of "Good or Bad" evaluation of medicine has a remarkably unrealistic understanding of reality, and probably deserves what rewards their ignorance allows.

 

[koshergrl]

... this person is never going to be a rational, fully functional human....so let's go for comfort. Are they HAPPIER when they're medicated, or are they HAPPIER when they're talking to a football?

What if they are happier shooting the audience during the latest Batman movie or Democratic Representative from Arizona?

You must have missed my statement that they should be institutionalized if they are that crazy. How did meds help those guys? Did it prevent them from killing?


NOT ON MEDS because "there was no proof" of symptoms of a organic brain disorder and there was "no valid medical test for the brain disorder:"

You people are classic: If the medication doesn't work for EVERYONE, then it shouldn't be perscribed for ANYONE.

We're talking about kids with ADHD. Not adults with schizophrenia. And if you read my posts I was pretty adamant that in the case of adults, it should be up to the person...and if they aren't functional with their choice, they should be institutionalized.

The people we're talking about who shouldn't be prescribed hardcore drugs are CHILDREN, who are hyperactive...not adolescents who are practicing vivisection on puppies and hearing voices.

Guess what? Nothing works 100%. Medicine often works much less than 100%. Doesn't meant that its BAD to take, or that the symptoms that validate the persrciption must be verified by 100% accurate, "valid medical tests."

Anyone who has this sort of "Good or Bad" evaluation of medicine has a remarkably unrealistic understanding of reality, and probably deserves what rewards their ignorance allows.

Again, I wasn't talking about yanking everybody's meds. I know very well that medicating children the age of Luissa's son, for hyperactivity, is foolish. Kids are all over the place when they're developing and their brains are still developing. Anyone with half a brain must realize that using amphetamines and other, mood altering chemicals that affect the brain directly is going to have a long term effect...and it won't be a positive one. Again, we're not talking about kids who hear voices, or who are having seizures. These are kids who have trouble focusing, and who bounce around.

 

[sparky]

The World Health org recently issued a statement declaring if adhd was a contageon, we'd be in the midst of a pandemic.....

~S~

 

[eots]

... this person is never going to be a rational, fully functional human....so let's go for comfort. Are they HAPPIER when they're medicated, or are they HAPPIER when they're talking to a football?

What if they are happier shooting the audience during the latest Batman movie or Democratic Representative from Arizona?


NOT ON MEDS because "there was no proof" of symptoms of a organic brain disorder and there was "no valid medical test for the brain disorder:"

You people are classic: If the medication doesn't work for EVERYONE, then it shouldn't be perscribed for ANYONE.

Guess what? Nothing works 100%. Medicine often works much less than 100%. Doesn't meant that its BAD to take, or that the symptoms that validate the persrciption must be verified by 100% accurate, "valid medical tests."

Anyone who has this sort of "Good or Bad" evaluation of medicine has a remarkably unrealistic understanding of reality, and probably deserves what rewards their ignorance allows.

all of the school shooters where on ssris a drug that is no better than placebo..these drugs are banned in Europe for youth and for mild to moderate depression because of the proven link between these drugs and sucidal and homicidal thoughts and actions

 

[eots]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdXSjuH8bjQ]Link Between School Shootings and Prescription Meds - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Samson]

... this person is never going to be a rational, fully functional human....so let's go for comfort. Are they HAPPIER when they're medicated, or are they HAPPIER when they're talking to a football?

What if they are happier shooting the audience during the latest Batman movie or Democratic Representative from Arizona?

You must have missed my statement that they should be institutionalized if they are that crazy. How did meds help those guys? Did it prevent them from killing?


NOT ON MEDS because "there was no proof" of symptoms of a organic brain disorder and there was "no valid medical test for the brain disorder:"

You people are classic: If the medication doesn't work for EVERYONE, then it shouldn't be perscribed for ANYONE.

We're talking about kids with ADHD. Not adults with schizophrenia. And if you read my posts I was pretty adamant that in the case of adults, it should be up to the person...and if they aren't functional with their choice, they should be institutionalized.

The people we're talking about who shouldn't be prescribed hardcore drugs are CHILDREN, who are hyperactive...not adolescents who are practicing vivisection on puppies and hearing voices.

Guess what? Nothing works 100%. Medicine often works much less than 100%. Doesn't meant that its BAD to take, or that the symptoms that validate the persrciption must be verified by 100% accurate, "valid medical tests."

Anyone who has this sort of "Good or Bad" evaluation of medicine has a remarkably unrealistic understanding of reality, and probably deserves what rewards their ignorance allows.

Again, I wasn't talking about yanking everybody's meds. I know very well that medicating children the age of Luissa's son, for hyperactivity, is foolish. Kids are all over the place when they're developing and their brains are still developing. Anyone with half a brain must realize that using amphetamines and other, mood altering chemicals that affect the brain directly is going to have a long term effect...and it won't be a positive one. Again, we're not talking about kids who hear voices, or who are having seizures. These are kids who have trouble focusing, and who bounce around.

No you really don't know shit about the medical condition of anyone, unless you are a DR and have examined them.

Neither do I.

SOME kids do benefit from ADHD medication. Not ALL kids. THe CDC has MORE than "half a brain," and as I have demonstrated, believes ADHD is a medical condition.

The ADHD is just as much a brain disorder as any other brain disorder: You seem to have conveniently decided that children are somehow immune to having brain disorders, which is an irresponsible and dangerous position.

 

[Samson]

... this person is never going to be a rational, fully functional human....so let's go for comfort. Are they HAPPIER when they're medicated, or are they HAPPIER when they're talking to a football?

What if they are happier shooting the audience during the latest Batman movie or Democratic Representative from Arizona?


NOT ON MEDS because "there was no proof" of symptoms of a organic brain disorder and there was "no valid medical test for the brain disorder:"

You people are classic: If the medication doesn't work for EVERYONE, then it shouldn't be perscribed for ANYONE.

Guess what? Nothing works 100%. Medicine often works much less than 100%. Doesn't meant that its BAD to take, or that the symptoms that validate the persrciption must be verified by 100% accurate, "valid medical tests."

Anyone who has this sort of "Good or Bad" evaluation of medicine has a remarkably unrealistic understanding of reality, and probably deserves what rewards their ignorance allows.

all of the school shooters where on ssris a drug that is no better than placebo..these drugs are banned in Europe for youth and for mild to moderate depression because of the proven link between these drugs and sucidal and homicidal thoughts and actions

No link.

No credability.

Typical.

Stick to youtube videos no one watchs.

 

[eots]

What if they are happier shooting the audience during the latest Batman movie or Democratic Representative from Arizona?


NOT ON MEDS because "there was no proof" of symptoms of a organic brain disorder and there was "no valid medical test for the brain disorder:"

You people are classic: If the medication doesn't work for EVERYONE, then it shouldn't be perscribed for ANYONE.

Guess what? Nothing works 100%. Medicine often works much less than 100%. Doesn't meant that its BAD to take, or that the symptoms that validate the persrciption must be verified by 100% accurate, "valid medical tests."

Anyone who has this sort of "Good or Bad" evaluation of medicine has a remarkably unrealistic understanding of reality, and probably deserves what rewards their ignorance allows.

all of the school shooters where on ssris a drug that is no better than placebo..these drugs are banned in Europe for youth and for mild to moderate depression because of the proven link between these drugs and sucidal and homicidal thoughts and actions

No link.

No credability.

Typical.

Stick to youtube videos no one watchs.

a youtube video is just another format to disseminate information ..so what is it you are in denial about ? that ssris cause suicide and homicidal actions or that all school shooter/mass shooters have been on psych drugs..??

 

[eots]

What if they are happier shooting the audience during the latest Batman movie or Democratic Representative from Arizona?

You must have missed my statement that they should be institutionalized if they are that crazy. How did meds help those guys? Did it prevent them from killing?


NOT ON MEDS because "there was no proof" of symptoms of a organic brain disorder and there was "no valid medical test for the brain disorder:"

You people are classic: If the medication doesn't work for EVERYONE, then it shouldn't be perscribed for ANYONE.

We're talking about kids with ADHD. Not adults with schizophrenia. And if you read my posts I was pretty adamant that in the case of adults, it should be up to the person...and if they aren't functional with their choice, they should be institutionalized.

The people we're talking about who shouldn't be prescribed hardcore drugs are CHILDREN, who are hyperactive...not adolescents who are practicing vivisection on puppies and hearing voices.

Guess what? Nothing works 100%. Medicine often works much less than 100%. Doesn't meant that its BAD to take, or that the symptoms that validate the persrciption must be verified by 100% accurate, "valid medical tests."

Anyone who has this sort of "Good or Bad" evaluation of medicine has a remarkably unrealistic understanding of reality, and probably deserves what rewards their ignorance allows.

Again, I wasn't talking about yanking everybody's meds. I know very well that medicating children the age of Luissa's son, for hyperactivity, is foolish. Kids are all over the place when they're developing and their brains are still developing. Anyone with half a brain must realize that using amphetamines and other, mood altering chemicals that affect the brain directly is going to have a long term effect...and it won't be a positive one. Again, we're not talking about kids who hear voices, or who are having seizures. These are kids who have trouble focusing, and who bounce around.

No you really don't know shit about the medical condition of anyone, unless you are a DR and have examined them.

Neither do I.

SOME kids do benefit from ADHD medication. Not ALL kids. THe CDC has MORE than "half a brain," and as I have demonstrated, believes ADHD is a medical condition.

The ADHD is just as much a brain disorder as any other brain disorder: You seem to have conveniently decided that children are somehow immune to having brain disorders, which is an irresponsible and dangerous position.

no link ..no credibility not even a youtube video

 

[Samson]

all of the school shooters where on ssris a drug that is no better than placebo..these drugs are banned in Europe for youth and for mild to moderate depression because of the proven link between these drugs and sucidal and homicidal thoughts and actions

No link.

No credability.

Typical.

Stick to youtube videos no one watchs.

a youtube video is just another format to disseminate information ..so what is it you are in denial about ? that ssris cause suicide and homicidal actions or that all school shooter/mass shooters have been on psych drugs..??

Rinse.

Wash.

Repeat.

You're still full of shit.

 

[eots]

The British government ban for use of all but one SSRI antidepressant drug in children and teens (Dec 10, 2003) is reverberating wherever these drugs are widely prescribed. The action was taken after an independent committee of experts examined the raw data from controlled clinical trials that had been conducted by these drugs' manufacturers. The evidence shows that contrary to the claims made by their promoters, SSRIs are neither effective against depression in children, nor safe. The hazards posed by SSRIs--of which the most serious is self-harm and aggression toward others--had been detected during company controlled clinical trials, but the hazards were concealed--even in published reports in academic journals. Thus, doctors who prescribed the drugs and patients and families for whom they have been prescribed were kept in the dark.

The revelation about the hidden hazards posed by SSRIs raised serious concerns about how drugs are tested, how the findings are reported, and how the regulatory agencies meet their public responsibility. * How is it that the prominent expert psychiatrists worldwide failed to notice the significant finding of emergent suicidal behavior in adolescents testing Paxil?

In a published paroxetine study, one in 10 (10.5 per cent) of the patients taking Paxil had a "serious" adverse effect compared to just one in 100 of the placebo patients and nearly eight of 100 (7.5 per cent) taking paroxetine required hospitalization. See: Keller, MD, Ryan ND, Strober M, Klein RG, Kutcher SP, Birmaher B, et al. Efficacy of paroxetine in the treatment of adolescent major depression: a randomized, controlled trial. Journal of the Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry (2001), 40:762-772.

Neither the leading experts in psychiatry nor officials of the FDA (or equivalents in the UK) noticed these suicide findings. A British journalist not trained in science readily detected the problem and brought it to public attention.

The MHRA was said to have told doctors last night they should not prescribe any selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs), other than Prozac. It will also warn that Prozac will help only one child out of 10. However, the agency will say that patients already on medication should not stop it suddenly, to avoid withdrawal symptoms.

UK - Major antidepressants banned - suicide threat

 

[eots]

No link.

No credability.

Typical.

Stick to youtube videos no one watchs.

a youtube video is just another format to disseminate information ..so what is it you are in denial about ? that ssris cause suicide and homicidal actions or that all school shooter/mass shooters have been on psych drugs..??

Rinse.

Wash.

Repeat.

You're still full of shit.

you have been reduced to a babbling cretin who can not address a single fact