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you can not refute anything I have said so you resort to these pathetic responses
My son may have ADHD
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you can not refute anything I have said so you resort to these pathetic responses
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so then you agree there is no proof of ADHD being a organic brain disorder and that there is no valid medical test for ADHD ..good because those are the facts
koshergrl
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I think eots is completely insane but I tend to agree with him (cautiously) on this subject.
I have never seen much good come of medicating children for ADHD. I think the cure is worse than the *disease*...which really isn't a disease at all, it's BEHAVIOR, genetics, environment, patterning...or a combination of them all.
My youngest is 9 years old. He has been in cosntant motion since birth. He tends to jump up and throw himself into physical activity just at the point of sleep...as a baby he would roll in a circle for hours if we didn't stop him, physically. He would watch Pinnochio straight through from the age of 6 months.
He jumps and bounces continually; I couldn't take him to church until he was about 7 because I couldn't effectively restrain him, and it was just too exhausting to manage him.
He has a hitch in his getalong...people can't see it unless they're pretty darned observant but it causes him to fall and not be as fast as he might be; he wears glasses.
He's smart, though..and he doesn't have any trouble concentrating. He likes to make really obnoxious, loud, senseless noises (waAAAAAHHHHHHHHH) over and over, he has a tendency to shout but doesn't have any hearing issues.
So he's a hyperactive kid.
My daughter is supremely hyperactive...she doesn't quit moving from the time she wakes up until she falls asleep. She doesn't have any difficulty sleeping though...but right up until the time she falls asleep, she is up and racing around doing stuff.
I had many people suggest I have the kids tested, and many people say "oh my gosh, what is WRONG with them?"...including my MOTHER, who is a NURSE. I maintained that there's nothing wrong with THEM. They are themselves, different, and unique, and very active and inquisitive and physical...they each have different things that can be considered *faults* or *disorders*...if I chose to seek diagnosis. But those very faults and disorders can be CHANNELED into positive character traits, and that is what I have been busting my ass to do since they were born.
I've aged. I don't have time to go to the gym or date, and I don't have the energy or the desire to. All my (considerable) focus, attention and concentration is on shaping them, with all their *faults*..into successful, productive members of society...without saddling them with the stigma of a diagnosis at a young age that will seriously curtail any chance they have of being successful or productive.
Don't get the diagnosis. Don't medicate him, unless he's having seizures (and even then, unless they're grand mal, medication isn't always the way to go). He doesn't need that shit. He needs to learn to cope with the issues he has. Tell the teachers to **** themselves, they have no business suggesting anybody get kids treated for behavior disorders, unless they're attacking other children or cutting up cats on the playground. If they are pressuring you, pull him out of that school and get him in somewhere else.
That's my advice, as a mother I expect you to make up your own mind and I have no personal stake in it and won't presume to second guess you if you choose a different path. But keep in mind that my advice is based on working with special needs men and youth (who have years and years of medications under their belt), and as a parent of 3 absolutely challenging children, one of which had seizure disorder.
I know very well if I had taken my children into the doctor at the ages of 3 and 4, or even last year, I could easily have gotten a prescription from them, based on my statements and the statements of teachers/care providers etc. I chose not to, and I am thankful every single day that I didn't. They are developing into strong, bright individuals, and they are learning to cope with the issues they have...the impulse control issues (yup, we have that) and the sleep issues (yup) and the manic behavior (uh huh) and the racing thoughts (mm hmm)...
But it will age you. You're the one who is going to bear the brunt of their issues, if you choose to cope with your son's problems rather than medicate them. Because you're going to constantly be addressing various and assorted issues...giving him work arounds, staying up with him, walking him through difficulties, all that...it's going to land straight on you and you're not going to get any sleep. You'd get to sleep once in a while if you get the meds, because there will be times when he's completely doped up. And he will always know there's something wrong with him, because that medication will be there every single day, and there will always be people monitoring him, and drawing his blood, and adjusting his meds...
Make the world adjust to him, and help him to adjust as he must to the world. But don't medicate him at the behest of teachers, and for the sake of getting a little sleep.
I have never seen much good come of medicating children for ADHD. I think the cure is worse than the *disease*...which really isn't a disease at all, it's BEHAVIOR, genetics, environment, patterning...or a combination of them all.
My youngest is 9 years old. He has been in cosntant motion since birth. He tends to jump up and throw himself into physical activity just at the point of sleep...as a baby he would roll in a circle for hours if we didn't stop him, physically. He would watch Pinnochio straight through from the age of 6 months.
He jumps and bounces continually; I couldn't take him to church until he was about 7 because I couldn't effectively restrain him, and it was just too exhausting to manage him.
He has a hitch in his getalong...people can't see it unless they're pretty darned observant but it causes him to fall and not be as fast as he might be; he wears glasses.
He's smart, though..and he doesn't have any trouble concentrating. He likes to make really obnoxious, loud, senseless noises (waAAAAAHHHHHHHHH) over and over, he has a tendency to shout but doesn't have any hearing issues.
So he's a hyperactive kid.
My daughter is supremely hyperactive...she doesn't quit moving from the time she wakes up until she falls asleep. She doesn't have any difficulty sleeping though...but right up until the time she falls asleep, she is up and racing around doing stuff.
I had many people suggest I have the kids tested, and many people say "oh my gosh, what is WRONG with them?"...including my MOTHER, who is a NURSE. I maintained that there's nothing wrong with THEM. They are themselves, different, and unique, and very active and inquisitive and physical...they each have different things that can be considered *faults* or *disorders*...if I chose to seek diagnosis. But those very faults and disorders can be CHANNELED into positive character traits, and that is what I have been busting my ass to do since they were born.
I've aged. I don't have time to go to the gym or date, and I don't have the energy or the desire to. All my (considerable) focus, attention and concentration is on shaping them, with all their *faults*..into successful, productive members of society...without saddling them with the stigma of a diagnosis at a young age that will seriously curtail any chance they have of being successful or productive.
Don't get the diagnosis. Don't medicate him, unless he's having seizures (and even then, unless they're grand mal, medication isn't always the way to go). He doesn't need that shit. He needs to learn to cope with the issues he has. Tell the teachers to **** themselves, they have no business suggesting anybody get kids treated for behavior disorders, unless they're attacking other children or cutting up cats on the playground. If they are pressuring you, pull him out of that school and get him in somewhere else.
That's my advice, as a mother I expect you to make up your own mind and I have no personal stake in it and won't presume to second guess you if you choose a different path. But keep in mind that my advice is based on working with special needs men and youth (who have years and years of medications under their belt), and as a parent of 3 absolutely challenging children, one of which had seizure disorder.
I know very well if I had taken my children into the doctor at the ages of 3 and 4, or even last year, I could easily have gotten a prescription from them, based on my statements and the statements of teachers/care providers etc. I chose not to, and I am thankful every single day that I didn't. They are developing into strong, bright individuals, and they are learning to cope with the issues they have...the impulse control issues (yup, we have that) and the sleep issues (yup) and the manic behavior (uh huh) and the racing thoughts (mm hmm)...
But it will age you. You're the one who is going to bear the brunt of their issues, if you choose to cope with your son's problems rather than medicate them. Because you're going to constantly be addressing various and assorted issues...giving him work arounds, staying up with him, walking him through difficulties, all that...it's going to land straight on you and you're not going to get any sleep. You'd get to sleep once in a while if you get the meds, because there will be times when he's completely doped up. And he will always know there's something wrong with him, because that medication will be there every single day, and there will always be people monitoring him, and drawing his blood, and adjusting his meds...
Make the world adjust to him, and help him to adjust as he must to the world. But don't medicate him at the behest of teachers, and for the sake of getting a little sleep.
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No. I agree that you are nothing but an id-eot.
There are psychological conditions for which there is no scientific "proof" such as its being susceptible to a blood test or a brain scan. But that does not mean that a person suffering from one of the conditions described in the DSM does not have such a condition.
And there certainly are tests for ADD and ADHD. YOUR conspiracy world daffynition of "valid" is not a substitute for anything useful in the universe, you id-eot.
The FACT is that you truly are an id-eot.
percysunshine
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I have had misspellings and typos... all the time. Some of them are legendary.
I never pretended that they never happened.
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koshergrl
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The tests are just tests of function/reasoning/focus. They aren't tests for genetic markers or proteins or anything like that. And psychological conditions are about as nebulous as anything...I don't think people should medicate for most psychological issues, either. Talk about quackery.
I don't think eots has ever said the behavior that is now called "ADHD" is imaginary. His point is that it's not something that calls for medication. I second the motion...when you are talking about kids who are 4,5,6,7,8,9...up to 20...they are all over the place. One kid will read for 2 hours straight....the kid sitting next to him can't read more than 5 minutes and has to read out loud in order to keep his place and as soon as something walks past his desk he's chasing it. So does that kid have ADHD, then? ADHD has just become a "disorder" that is assigned to kids who don't easily conform to the current behavioral *fads*. And they are ALMOST ALL MALE.
Little boys have gone out of style. Boys that hit and jump and throw and bounce, who get dirty and sneak out of windows and put frogs down people's shirts and can't sit for 20 minutes at a time listening to a teacher drone on about math or good touch/bad touch are now considered "abnormal" and there has been a huge push to medicate them and railroad them out of the schools.
It's criminal.
eots
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a child that has been on long term Ritalin is not eligible to join the armed services..
....According to information published at the Web site of the United States Naval Academy, the medical standards for admission are "specific and strict." There are many conditions which are deemed to disqualify an applicant. These standards clearly state that "..attention deficit or learning disorders/disabilities, hyperactivity, ... persisting into adolescence are disqualifying" .
http://www.addforums.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-12245.html
....According to information published at the Web site of the United States Naval Academy, the medical standards for admission are "specific and strict." There are many conditions which are deemed to disqualify an applicant. These standards clearly state that "..attention deficit or learning disorders/disabilities, hyperactivity, ... persisting into adolescence are disqualifying" .
http://www.addforums.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-12245.html
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Don't get sucked into this... they run a bunch of tests for other things, and if they can't pigeon-hole him into any of those, they declare he has ADHD.
It's a scam.
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Almost every doctor is going to push meds. At the end of the day they're the dealers for the pharma industry. If doctors aren't prescribing meds, untold billions are being lost.
It's a shame to have to have such a cynical viewpoint on the situation, but it's the reality we're dealing with.
koshergrl
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Those meds are typically cumulative, so putting him on, then taking him off, was careless. They should either use them as prescribed, or not at all.
No wonder we have kids shooting up schools. Their parents are idiots, and so are the teachers.
No wonder we have kids shooting up schools. Their parents are idiots, and so are the teachers.
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The term "ADD" is pretty much obsolete. ADHD refers to both ADD and ADHD, Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder.
Also, just because you have ADHD doesn't mean you need to medicate. I went through 21 years of life without being medicated. Luckily I was smart and learned techniques to compensate, but that doesn't mean it doesn't help. It's up to the individual and how their ADHD effects them.
Also, just because you have ADHD doesn't mean you need to medicate. I went through 21 years of life without being medicated. Luckily I was smart and learned techniques to compensate, but that doesn't mean it doesn't help. It's up to the individual and how their ADHD effects them.
Samson
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We are only going to treat symptoms based on "valid medical tests?"
Try getting an X-ray of schizophenia
Anyone who believes there is some magic test for all brain disorders has a brain disorder.
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We are only going to treat symptoms based on "valid medical tests?"
Try getting an X-ray of schizophenia
Anyone who believes there is some magic test for all brain disorders has a brain disorder.
there is a big difference between treating symptoms and claiming something is a medical condition...and it is dangerous as it leads to a bizarre and every growing dsm and list of claimed medical disorders with no evidence..people in psychotic states come out of these states without medication..the entire medical model of schizophrenia is based on statistics that say the patient will come out of psychosis 2-3 weeks quicker with.. medication
Flopper
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There are over 5 million kids in this country diagnosed with ADHD plus a lot of adults and there is a slew of medications used to treat it. One of my grand kids is ADHD. You have to move carefully in treating kids with any of these drugs as there can be some bad reaction. You have to be sure of the diagnosis. I think you should have a second opinion. Before starting treatment, I think the child should be seeing a psychologist to establish a base line for their behavior. After treatment starts, the psychologist should be able to monitor the changes.
My grandson is on a medication now. I don't remember which one, but he is doing much better. The decision to go on drugs was pretty much of a "we tried everything else' scenario.
I'm not a profession, just a grandparent with an ADHD kid.
Good Luck
Samson
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We are only going to treat symptoms based on "valid medical tests?"
Try getting an X-ray of schizophenia
Anyone who believes there is some magic test for all brain disorders has a brain disorder.
there is a big difference between treating symptoms and claiming something is a medical condition..... medication
Huh? ANY condition manifests itself with SYMPTOMS.
moron.
eots
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eots
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we are only going to treat symptoms based on "valid medical tests?"
Try getting an x-ray of schizophenia
anyone who believes there is some magic test for all brain disorders has a brain disorder.
there is a big difference between treating symptoms and claiming something is a medical condition..... medication
Huh? Any condition manifests itself with symptoms.
Moron.
all real medical illnesses can be tested for ..found in a autopsy ,seen in a scan..found in the blood..just like anyone subjected to ritlan of anti -psychotics ..you can scan the brain and see the damage from the drugs ..but not the supposed illness..you are just the 2013 version of those that supported ice picks in the brain based on the model of "symptom and symptom relief " without empirical evidence
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thanatos144
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I don't care if you can or cannot prove adhd is real.....I can tell you kids die from the medication.... I can tell you taking it makes you feel like a brain dead zombie..... I can tell you you can train yourself to do what needs to be done......responsibility is the way you do it...... At no time is giving your child speed a good thing.
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