My rant..... Lying in politics

Your use of the word "middlestain" seems to be new. You just came up with it. And now using a lot.

None the less, you're doing exactly what the OP describes on the subject of loyalty.

Eventually, this creates two entrenched camps that no longer value honesty or accountability. Each side refuses to criticize its own leaders' lies or poor decisions, fearing it would hand ammunition to the "enemy" or invite "I told you so" taunts. Loyalty becomes the highest virtue—higher than truth, integrity, or responsibility. When a politician from "their" side does something identical to what they condemned on the other side, excuses and new falsehoods quickly emerge to justify it.


Time is short to save the Country. FULLSTAIN oppose anything Trump. You have TDS and bash Trump thus enabling, empowering FULLSTAIN to continue and even ramp it up. You are a snake group exactly like the dirty media and you personally are nearly a FULLSTAIN.

Since 2020 gloves are off. I dont care if your little feelings get hurt. You pantyliners kill our country. Pick a side and SHUP. You can pretend this MIDDLER game but a MIDDLER IS an Obiden voter.
 
Time is short to save the Country. FULLSTAIN oppose anything Trump. You have TDS and bash Trump thus enabling, empowering FULLSTAIN to continue and even ramp it up. You are a snake group exactly like the dirty media and you personally are nearly a FULLSTAIN.

Since 2020 gloves are off. I dont care if your little feelings get hurt. You pantyliners kill our country. Pick a side and SHUP. You can pretend this MIDDLER game but a MIDDLER IS an Obiden voter.
Loyalty becomes the highest virtue—higher than truth, integrity, or responsibility. When a politician from "their" side does something identical to what they condemned on the other side, excuses and new falsehoods quickly emerge to justify it.
 
I'm surprised you know this, and still seem to be obtuse to the same factors leading to the same type of conflict between the globalists and those who oppose them.

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I suppose you still believe that Trump is opposed to the globalists rather than being one of them?


Nonsense. Does President Trump support an open Border to Mexico to Somalia or Haiti? Get off the boards you big dummies.


Loyalty becomes the highest virtue—higher than truth, integrity, or responsibility. When a politician from "their" side does something identical to what they condemned on the other side, excuses and new falsehoods quickly emerge to justify it.


Not loyalty. Common sense emergency. You either save the Country (mostly) under Trump or you lose it (forever, completely off the rails) under your LibStain criminals.

They have the fraud up to $1T, 10s of millions stolen votes, 21 States lost forever. Yet your best idea is to watch and run your fat mouth about details?

LibStain loons have zero common sense. No a man can't get pregnant. A 12 yr old can't choose to get elective surgery. 280 pound men don't need to take a dump next to an 8 yr old girl. A border is not any sign up table for 20 million vagrants onto benefits.

Now, get off me. You own these difficulties, this stalling, this waste, this fraud. Help out or SHUP. There is No time to school idiots anymore.
 
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Does President Trump have an open vorder to Mexico to Somalia or Haiti?
Nope. Because the globalist deep state is not all in agreement as to how they will move forward.

When the world woke up to the fraud during the scamdemic, they shifted gears.

If you still bleev in the narrative you seem to be pushing, go seek out the crowd booing Trump & CIA asset, Bill O'Reilly.
 
Loyalist on both sides won't



I already am. What you do is your own business & responsibility.




And this is important, why? Biden wasn't honest either. That's the point of the post. The government and it's supporters don't care about honesty.




I'm in no way saying there's a solution. I mean there is. But it's not doable in todays political loyal climate. If by some miracle enough voters finally get sick of being dumped on by their party,,,,,,,, when they get tired of defending their party's wrongs, then maybe something will change. When we start holding our own accountable for lying.
Agree, Stop just defending because its your party of preferance.
Demand some honest and well defined explanations from your tribe, as well as the other tribe.
 
HOw is that relevant to this thread?




He said he wasn't starting a war to free the slaves. Yet his actions clearly show that that was a lie.

You can't admit that, because you support the freeing of the slaves.

This is a lie, that you support because you supported the policy, and you wanted it enacted, even if the nation as a whole, had to be LIED into it.

THAT IS RELEVANT to the thread topic.
Do you really think what LINCON did or did not do is relevant to what's going on now in 2026?
 
Agree, Stop just defending because its your party of preferance.
Demand some honest and well defined explanations from your tribe, as well as the other tribe.

I'll never understand lying to defend a politician. Or supporting one that lies.
 
Nonsense. Does President Trump support an open Border to Mexico to Somalia or Haiti? Get off the boards you big dummies.





Not loyalty. Common sense emergency. You either save the Country (mostly) under Trump or you lose it (forever, completely off the rails) under your LibStain criminals.

They have the fraud up to $1T, 10s of millions stolen votes, 21 States lost forever. Yet your best idea is to watch and run your fat mouth about details?

LibStain loons have zero common sense. No a man can't get pregnant. A 12 yr old can't choose to get electivevsurgery. 280 pound men don't need to take a dump next to an 8 yr old girl. A border is not any sign up table for 20 million vagrants onto benefits.

Now, get off me. You own these difficulties, this stalling, this waste, this fraud. Help out or SHUP. There is No time to school idiots anymore.

You get angry. The truth does that to people who are loyal to politicians known for lying.

After a year, Trump supporters should be bragging about all the money Trump saved us. About all the pedophiles in the Epstein files that's been put under the prison. About not starting any regime change wars. About all the great deals he made with Iran that turned them into an ally, without firing a shot. How he brokered deals with our trading partners without raising tariffs on the American consumer. How much money DOGE has found. All the codifying of the DOGE findings. And so much more.

And yet here you are bashing and berating me because I'm not as loyal as you.
 
Time is short to save the Country. FULLSTAIN oppose anything Trump. You have TDS and bash Trump thus enabling, empowering FULLSTAIN to continue and even ramp it up. You are a snake group exactly like the dirty media and you personally are nearly a FULLSTAIN.

Since 2020 gloves are off. I dont care if your little feelings get hurt. You pantyliners kill our country. Pick a side and SHUP. You can pretend this MIDDLER game but a MIDDLER IS an Obiden voter.


Just an FYI, when I was a loyalist, it used to piss me off too, when someone gave me the honest truth about my favorite party or politician, that proved that what I believed about them to be wrong. I'd lie and lash out too. Do everything I could to defend them.

Getting mad only shows your conscience is starting to work.
 
I'm trying to avoid clicking on that "Show ignorant content" link.

Imagine having video of the current governments dirty little secrets. All the politicians. The checks and money transfers. Hidden cameras of them admitting their lies and broken laws.

And imagine the after, after effect. The cleansing of the government of liars and corruption.
And things put back to where they're supposed to be for "we the people."
 
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"What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all. What can we do then? What else is left but to abandon even the hope of truth and content ourselves instead with stories? In these stories, it doesn't matter who the heroes are. All we want to know is: 'Who is to blame?'"

Applying this idea to politics reveals a similar—and deeply damaging—dynamic.

In the political arena, the true cost of widespread lying is that it normalizes dishonesty to the point where we come to expect it from leaders. We stop being shocked by falsehoods; instead, we accept them as standard behavior. Supporters defend their preferred politicians with lies or excuses, often simply because of loyalty to the "team." Opponents may exaggerate or invent claims to paint the other side in a worse light, even when the facts alone would suffice.
Over time, this erodes public discourse and leads to several harmful outcomes:
  • Honest, truth-seeking individuals—who carefully weigh evidence before deciding—often grow disillusioned. They withdraw from politics entirely: they stop voting, stop engaging in discussions, and disengage like someone leaving a toxic relationship. Yet these are precisely the people a healthy democracy needs most—those who prioritize facts and integrity over blind allegiance.
  • On the other side, many participants (across party lines) double down on misinformation. They amplify exaggerated praise for their own side or vicious attacks on the opposition. What begins as debate devolves into a kind of performative combat—mockery, ridicule, and tribal scoring—rather than a search for what is true or best for the country.
Eventually, this creates two entrenched camps that no longer value honesty or accountability. Each side refuses to criticize its own leaders' lies or poor decisions, fearing it would hand ammunition to the "enemy" or invite "I told you so" taunts. Loyalty becomes the highest virtue—higher than truth, integrity, or responsibility. When a politician from "their" side does something identical to what they condemned on the other side, excuses and new falsehoods quickly emerge to justify it. Anyone within the group who calls for accountability is often branded a traitor.

The result is extreme polarization: roughly half the country becomes so divided and entrenched that good ideas from one side are reflexively opposed, simply because of who proposed them. Bad decisions from one's own side are defended, no matter how clearly wrong they are.

In the end, this system rewards politicians who excel at deception rather than governance. They campaign on bold promises tailored to excite their base—promising great benefits for supporters and harm to opponents—but once elected, much of that rhetoric is set aside. They may occasionally throw symbolic gestures or "red meat" statements to keep supporters energized, but in practice, their actions often resemble what the opposing side might have done. The main difference lies in how they frame and sell it through partisan language.

Ultimately, a politics built on normalized lies leaves us with leaders skilled at manipulation rather than solutions, and a citizenry more focused on winning tribal battles than pursuing shared truth or progress. The long-term price is a weakened Republic where trust, accountability, and genuine problem-solving become increasingly rare.


Here is a chapter in a book that goes deeper into this subject. (pdf)

And an article from U of C Boulder
Democrats are epic liars, just look how they lied about Trump and twisted our legal system just to get Trump and/or prevent him from running. All politicians promise, Trump tends to fulfill his promises.
 
You get angry. The truth does that to people who are loyal to politicians known for lying.

After a year, Trump supporters should be bragging about all the money Trump saved us. About all the pedophiles in the Epstein files that's been put under the prison. About not starting any regime change wars. About all the great deals he made with Iran that turned them into an ally, without firing a shot. How he brokered deals with our trading partners without raising tariffs on the American consumer. How much money DOGE has found. All the codifying of the DOGE findings. And so much more.

And yet here you are bashing and berating me because I'm not as loyal as you.


Congress is the issue, not DJT. If up to DJT, DOGE cuts and more would be permanent. It's not a dictatorship. Congress ignored what they did report. You see the fraud in Blue States (off the charts). Maybe in all States?

You keep harping on Epstien? He's dead. No proof on anyone but him yet you daily attack?

Sorry, but a picture of Bill Clinton in a hot tub ain't going to cut it. Is that a crime? Phony stories by some girl 20 years ago proven false then is not proof. Show the proof you have. Epstien got jailed for his actions with the $300 girls.

Allegedly dead? But new wrinkle today.


Epstein Prison Guard Made a Mysterious Deposit Before P*dophile’s Supposed Suicide – Also Googled Epstein Just Minutes Before His Body was Discovered.
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Guess who again. SMH. What is a DEI hire doing in a men's prison? Making big cash deposits?

A total of 12 deposits began in April 2018, the bank said, and culminated in the largest deposit, for $5,000, on July 30, 2019, the records showed.

The files only contain Noel’s bank records beginning in December 2018. They show seven cash deposits totaling $11,880. Noel started working at the Special Housing Unit — where Epstein had been held — beginning on July 7, 2019, just weeks before his death.

Noel, who drove a $62,000 2019 Land Rover Range Rover, wasn’t asked about the cash during her DOJ interview, records showed.


Read it and weep. Trump is not the problem. The problem is runaway $7T deep state GOVT robbing you blind.
 
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Why doesn't Congress or State GOVT fix something like the runaway DEI prison guard above? Why does Trump have to do it all?

Strongly suggest you go read what that DEI guard was up to on the very night Epstein "died". And the orange flash 🍊?

note: no punishment for shopping online all night, ignoring duties?

I'm right, (we are right). All Stain variants are wrong every time on almost every issue raised. Yet? They keep at it?
 
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