Zone1 My advice to Muslims.

[Woodznutz]

God gave the birthright promises to Isaac, not Ishmael. Get over it.

9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking.

10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.

 

[sparky]

God gave the birthright promises to Isaac, not Ishmael.

A Case for the Old Testament: God’s Promise passes to Isaac, not Ishmael – Truth, Faith and Reason

~S~

 

[Ancient lion]

Thank you for sharing your perspective.
1- It is important to acknowledge that interpretations of religious texts can vary among individuals and different faith traditions.
2- While the specific incident you mentioned is part of the biblical narrative, it is worth noting that Islam has its own distinct sacred book [Quran]. So, to a Muslim, your advice has 0 theological value or consequences.
3- Racism is prohibited in Islam. What matters is doing your best to please your Creator.
4- Both Isaac and Ismail are respected prophets in Islam.
4- Muslims consider themselves the real followers of all prophets of God including Isaac and Ismail.

 

[sparky]

3- Racism is prohibited in Islam.

wow! i never get the memo! ~S~

 

[BreezeWood]

wow! i never get the memo! ~S~

- try using the computer during the daytime ...

 

[alang1216]

God gave the birthright promises to Isaac, not Ishmael. Get over it.

9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking.

10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.

Since the overwhelming majority of early Christians were pagan converts today's Christians have little connection to Issac.

 

[Woodznutz]

Since the overwhelming majority of early Christians were pagan converts today's Christians have little connection to Issac.

The early gentile Christians had no connection to Isaac. Today's WASP's are the descendants of Isaac.

 

[Woodznutz]

Thank you for sharing your perspective.
1- It is important to acknowledge that interpretations of religious texts can vary among individuals and different faith traditions.
2- While the specific incident you mentioned is part of the biblical narrative, it is worth noting that Islam has its own distinct sacred book [Quran]. So, to a Muslim, your advice has 0 theological value or consequences.
3- Racism is prohibited in Islam. What matters is doing your best to please your Creator.
4- Both Isaac and Ismail are respected prophets in Islam.
4- Muslims consider themselves the real followers of all prophets of God including Isaac and Ismail.

Muslims believe that Ishmael was the favored son and was the one offered as a sacrifice by Abraham (Abram). History proves otherwise but the Muslims still stick to their belief.

 

[Ancient lion]

Muslims believe that Ishmael was the favored son and was the one offered as a sacrifice by Abraham (Abram). History proves otherwise but the Muslims still stick to their belief.

It's true that Muslims believe Ishmael was the one offered as a sacrifice by Prophet Abraham.

Are you aware of any text in Islamic sacred scripture that talk about Prophet Ismail as " the favored son"?

 

[Woodznutz]

It's true that Muslims believe Ishmael was the one offered as a sacrifice by Prophet Abraham.

Are you aware of any text in Islamic sacred scripture that talk about Prophet Ismail as " the favored son"?

They believe the Ishmael was the 'son of promise', thus the favored son.

 

[alang1216]

The early gentile Christians had no connection to Isaac. Today's WASP's are the descendants of Isaac.

That makes no sense. Todays Christians are the decendents of those early Christians.

 

[Woodznutz]

That makes no sense. Todays Christians are the decendents of those early Christians.

Jesus was sent only to the descendants of the northern kingdom, the House of Israel, not to the pagan Romans. "Christianity" was appropriated by the Romans and spread through the Roman Empire as the religious 'flavor of the week', while the true church was still the 'little flock' which would be persecuted by the Roman church for centuries.

 

[alang1216]

Jesus was sent to the descendants of the northern kingdom, the House of Israel, not to the pagan Romans.

The irony is that the overwhelming number of Jews rejected Jesus while pagan conversations fueled the church growth.

"Christianity" spread through the Roman Empire as the religious 'flavor of the week', while the true church was still the 'little flock' which would be persecuted by the Roman church.

I have no idea what you think the "true" church was. If you think they were Jewish Christians, I think they were mostly wiped out in the destruction of Jerusalem.

 

[Woodznutz]

That makes no sense. Todays Christians are the decendents of those early

The irony is that the overwhelming number of Jews rejected Jesus while pagan conversations fueled the church growth.


I have no idea what you think the "true" church was. If you think they were Jewish Christians, I think they were mostly wiped out in the destruction of Jerusalem.

Jesus was sent to the descendants of the northern kingdom, the so-called 'lost tribes', not to the Jews, although there were some Jewish converts. Even today there are a few Jewish converts, but not many.

 

[Ancient lion]

They believe the Ishmael was the 'son of promise', thus the favored son.

Ok. Are you aware of any text in Islamic sacred scripture that talk about Prophet Ismail as the 'son of promise'?

 

[Woodznutz]

Ok. Are you aware of any text in Islamic sacred scripture that talk about Prophet Ismail as the 'son of promise'?

Ishmael in the Quran​

Ishmael is mentioned several times throughout the Quran, and it is through the Islamic holy scripture that he is invoked as a messenger, prophet and one preferred by God: "And mention in the Book, Ishmael. Indeed, he was true to his promise, and was a messenger and a prophet" (Quran 19:54), and "And Ishmael and Elisha and Jonah and Lot -- and all [of them] We preferred over the worlds" (6:86). The Quran upholds the Muslim belief that Ishmael was Abraham's ultimate heir, not Isaac.

 

[alang1216]

Jesus was sent to the descendants of the northern kingdom, the so-called 'lost tribes', not to the Jews, although there were some Jewish converts. Even today there are a few Jewish converts, but not many.

Jesus spent his life preaching to Jews of his homeland. Seems like you're writing your own scripture.

 

[Woodznutz]

Jesus spent his life preaching to Jews of his homeland.

He argued with the Jews.
He ministered to the descendants of the other tribes.
That is what he was sent to do.

 

[alang1216]

He argued with the Jews.
He ministered to the descendants of the other tribes.
That is what he was sent to do.

No evidence for any of this. He preached to Jews only. It was later that his followers, like Paul, began converting pagans. That was a major dispute at the time.

 

[luiza]

God gave the birthright promises to Isaac, not Ishmael. Get over it.

The problem is that everybody is not that gullihble to believe in fairy tales .
Your truth is another person's comedy and for another it is hate and discrimination .