Most Conservatives Still Believe The Civil War Wasn't Over Slavery

[francoHFW]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

The fact that there were slave holding States in the north kind of shoots down your pathetic theory, doesn't it.


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Not by 1860....

Yes by 1860.

History. Even after the war was over, blacks were freer in the South than in the North.

How many Yankee blacks got elected to Congress? Know why the black people got elected to Congress back then? Because they swayed the votes of all the people.

And then the Klan comes along, grrr..

By 1876 all those black Congressman were long gone... Whatever... Blacks have been screwed and continue to be screwed.

 

[francoHFW]

Nations wouldn’t exist without ties to their founding.

Malcolm X didn’t found anything.


The America that Malcolm X hated so much is almost entirely dead and buried.

America is now almost completely an anti-white nation, just like Canada and Western European countries are. The Democrats now routinely campaign against the interests of white Americans, as well as campaign against the very notion of white Americans being allowed to have a self interest, and Republicans now campaign to appease minorities at the ultimate expense of whites.

Interesting use of that qualifier, "almost." However, let's ignore that entirely for this argument.

Simply describe this "America that Malcolm X hate so much."

Looking forward to your response.

- MarcATL

“Almost” as in the few remaining people who exist from that time are either in nursing homes, or at least way too old to influence anything.

Malcolm X was a raving lunatic who hated white people until the very last moments of his life when he supposedly changed. He lived in an America that at least partially didn’t really care about blacks and at least partially looked the other way when they were being wronged. America today is exact same way for white people.

That's a good one...

 

[francoHFW]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

The fact that there were slave holding States in the north kind of shoots down your pathetic theory, doesn't it.


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Not by 1860....

Delaware had 1798 according to the 1860 census.


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Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

The fact that there were slave holding States in the north kind of shoots down your pathetic theory, doesn't it.


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Not by 1860....

Delaware had 1798 according to the 1860 census.


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Link to that?

 

[mikegriffith1]

No matter how you spin it, though, the war was fought over slavery.

A myth repeated a thousand times is still a myth. The "spin" is to repeat the myth that the war was fought over slavery. Secession was mainly over slavery, but secession and the war were two very different events.

Was the War of Independence fought over "taxation without representation"? No, of course not. It was fought over American independence, because the British would not allow the American colonies to leave in peace. If there had been no British invasion, there would have been no war. And if there had been no federal invasion, there would have been no Civil War.

 

[Snouter]

White people who were barely making a living really were desperate to shoot each other over Black folks who got free room and board and could **** all they wanted.

 

[kaz]

Yes, that's what the dumb asses who say the war was over slavery always like to omit.

The motto of the North was "Save the Union." Pretty damned clear

So republicans didn't really care about slaves either? got it.

So when Republicans say we are the party of Lincoln as a way to show how they are on the side of black folks -- that's all bullshit?

Democrats are the ones who claim Lincoln was a progressive, dipshit.

I just finished reading the book Personal Memoirs Of Ulysses Grant. Good read on the war and Lincoln

And what were some of your key takeaways?

 

[kaz]

Lincoln wanted blacks to go back to Africa. The vast majority of Northerners considered blacks inferior. The motto of the north was "Save the union" and as Bootney accurately pointed out the whole slavery thing came up 2 years into the war.

No amount of facts are going to phase you, are they?

Cool...so basically your point is that Lincoln didn't give a **** about slaves either? got it.

He gave a **** about slaves.

He just didn’t care too much about what happened to freed blacks.

Lincoln only cared about preseving the nation

That is not entirely true.

Could you expand on that?

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

White people who were barely making a living really were desperate to shoot each other over Black folks who got free room and board and could **** all they wanted.

Yup, that is all slavery was -- living for free and having sex all the time.

Spoken like a true idiot...

I bet you another one of those stupid crackas that think Obamacare is just like slavery.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

/---/ To be polite, you don't know what the FU*K you're talking about. It started over states right and ended about slavery.

The state's rights to own slaves --- but like I said -- you keep on defending those racist democrats

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

No, the south had already seceded. They were fighting an invasion. The invasion was not to free the slaves, therefore the Civil War was not fought over slavery.

So Fort Sumter was an invasion?

Or was it confederates attacking the Fort because they didn't want the Union soliders there -- because you know, they seceded because they wanted slavery.

 

[Crixus]

Well, let's be precise, when you say "Civil War" are you referring to the war itself or to southern secession? The two are linked, obviously, but they each have different causes.

The southern states tried to leave the union to be able to continue to own human beings as slaves.

The southern states went to war to be able to leave the union to continue to own human beings as slaves.

The southern states were traitors to our nation at the time.

Anyone who complains about other nation flags being flown or football players taking a knee but also flies a confederate flag is nothing but a hypocrite. They are flying a flag of traitors to the United States of America. They killed hundreds of thousands of Americans just for the reason that they wanted to own human beings as slaves.

There is no other reason for the actions of the southern states and the civil war.

On top of that they lost and some conservative people today are still fighting that war.

You are to stupid to correct.

 

[ATL]

Well, let's be precise, when you say "Civil War" are you referring to the war itself or to southern secession? The two are linked, obviously, but they each have different causes.

The southern states tried to leave the union to be able to continue to own human beings as slaves.

The southern states went to war to be able to leave the union to continue to own human beings as slaves.

The southern states were traitors to our nation at the time.

Anyone who complains about other nation flags being flown or football players taking a knee but also flies a confederate flag is nothing but a hypocrite. They are flying a flag of traitors to the United States of America. They killed hundreds of thousands of Americans just for the reason that they wanted to own human beings as slaves.

There is no other reason for the actions of the southern states and the civil war.

On top of that they lost and some conservative people today are still fighting that war.

You are to stupid to correct.

As stupid as someone that uses "to", instead of "too"?

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Do you the left also dont care Native American also owned slaves and also fought for the confederacy?

They also don't believe a republican never owned a slave.

The left, hate facts.

Google John Horse and the Seminole Nation then slap yourself

All of this "but native americans owned slaves too" -- doesn't shield you from defending white supremacy -- and those Native Americans still got exterminated -- so I guess they didn't get a pass for oppressing black people huh

 

[Kondor3]

I had to laugh when I saw this thread.

Slow news day?

 

[kaz]

/---/ To be polite, you don't know what the FU*K you're talking about. It started over states right and ended about slavery.

The state's rights to own slaves --- but like I said -- you keep on defending those racist democrats

The people in the north didn't say OMG, we need to invade the south to end slavery. If you've ever read a history book, you have to know what.

And your logic there is ridiculous. I can believe for example in that Nazis have the right to peacefully march and not believe in their message.

That slavery was an abomination doesn't mean I can't support State rights and consent of the governed. Here are two reasonable positions you could have taken, but didn't.

1) Despite that isn't the real reason they invaded, at least the North did end slavery

2) The North should have forced the South to let the slaves go if they wanted the North to let them go

Instead you're changing the North's goal from forcing the South to stay in the Union to ending slavery, which is completely unsupported by history. And you're using that to strip State rights and consent of the governed, which is the principle of which legitimacy of the American government was based

 

[kaz]

No, the south had already seceded. They were fighting an invasion. The invasion was not to free the slaves, therefore the Civil War was not fought over slavery.

So Fort Sumter was an invasion?

Or was it confederates attacking the Fort because they didn't want the Union soliders there -- because you know, they seceded because they wanted slavery.

It was no longer a Federal base after South Carolina told them to get the hell out. It was at that point an invasion of the South by the North

 

[TNHarley]

Lincoln didnt give a shit about the slaves,

"If slavery is not wrong, then nothing is wrong." - Abraham Lincoln.

Oh cool! A quote
I can come up with a bunch to show the opposite.
Wanna play?

 

[Theowl32]

Do you the left also dont care Native American also owned slaves and also fought for the confederacy?

They also don't believe a republican never owned a slave.

The left, hate facts.

Google John Horse and the Seminole Nation then slap yourself

All of this "but native americans owned slaves too" -- doesn't shield you from defending white supremacy -- and those Native Americans still got exterminated -- so I guess they didn't get a pass for oppressing black people huh

No one got exterminated. I love you ******* virtue signaling pieces of hypocritical shit. Always saying the WHITE MAN STOLE the land from the Natives? It was never theirs to steal. ******* moron. You dumb childish piece of shit.

Just because someone is here first, does not mean it is "theirs." LOL, moron.

I love too how you morons insinuate that the Natives were just peaceful people growing maze, smoking peyote, living in harmony, never having wars until WHITE MEN showed up with a bible and a musket.

About as ******* dumb in believing Europeans showed up to Africa with nets and kidnapped blacks from that continent.

I noticed how you did not address the Trans Sahara Slave trade, Yeah, you sure as shit did not want to address that did you?

You know anything about the Barbary Coast slave trade? Yeah, I thought not. Do not want to talk about that either.

Instead, you claim how mean white people were to the Natives, claim the land was stolen, but never lift a finger or even hint at giving up YOUR HOUSE to a Native American. Just like any virtue signaling piece of left wing shit.

That is what you are. That is all you are. I will bet the two best things the white man did for the Natives was introduce two words to their vocabulary. Wheel, and denim. Perhaps you can add another word to those. Casino.

LOL!!!!! Stupid ******* hypocrite.

 

[rightwinger]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

******* Democrats did this.

The Democrats started the KKK and slavery. Today, they are still fixated on race, only, they purport to hate white devils now.

They are fixated on race as Hitler was.

There is no difference between the KKK and Republican platform TODAY

Really? What is the black unemployment rate under the GOP vs. Dims? Under Obama the black unemployment was never higher and under Trump never lower. And I know, I know, the high unemployment rate can be blamed on "W" for Barak and the low unemployment level under Trump can be credited to Barak. Whatever.

And does the GOP actively seek to lynch blacks? Do tell. You may as well say that the GOP is the Taliban.

Go ahead, say it.

You're rhetoric may be losing it's appeal. That mindless block black vote may be cracking. That is what Dims fear the most, for without, they will be toast. They must maintain the racist black vote against ****** in the GOP.

As Trump said, vote for me. What in the hell do you have to lose?

Under the Great Obama the black unemployment rate dropped by eight percent. It has only dropped one percent under Fat Donnie

 

[kaz]

White people who were barely making a living really were desperate to shoot each other over Black folks who got free room and board and could **** all they wanted.

Yup, that is all slavery was -- living for free and having sex all the time.

Spoken like a true idiot...

I bet you another one of those stupid crackas that think Obamacare is just like slavery.

While I agree with your literal answer, you missed his point that the life of poor whites was pretty bad as well, and they didn't have a lot of motivation to go fight a war to free blacks since their lives weren't much better