Most Conservatives Still Believe The Civil War Wasn't Over Slavery

[Snouter]

Only if you think Elvis didn't steal his style from black folks

Elvis (part Jew) reclaimed what the Ancient Greeks (and some Italians and some British) invented...the Major Scale...upon which ALL music is based.

 

[Slyhunter]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

Slavery was a part of the Civil War but States Rights was the real reason the Civil war was fought.

Yea.....a States right to own slaves

A States right to make their own laws separate and distinct from the Federal Government.

 

[Fang]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

Obviously your thread premise is completely false. But what I find more interesting is Liberals want to pretend the Civil War never happened.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Obviously your thread premise is completely false. But what I find more interesting is Liberals want to pretend the Civil War never happened.

SMH

 

[bendog]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

Slavery was a part of the Civil War but States Rights was the real reason the Civil war was fought.

Yea.....a States right to own slaves

A States right to make their own laws separate and distinct from the Federal Government.

Damn right. We can have slaved if'n we wants

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

The civil war was about "keeping the Nation together" and exercising executive power that didnt exist.
Secession was about slavery.
Lincoln didnt give a shit about the slaves, he just didnt want it to SPREAD. He wanted to keep it where it was.

Sigh.

Actually Lincoln was personally opposed to slavery- but thought that advocating abolition was not the answer.

The Secession was about slavery. And the war started when South Carolina attacked U.S. Army troops to protect secession.

So the Confederacy did go to war to protect slavery- even if the Union did not go to war to end slavery.

For the slave owners it may have been but for those who didn't own slaves it had to be something else. My Great, Great grandfather fought with the 57st Alabama Infantry Regiment and he did not own slaves.

 

[rightwinger]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

Slavery was a part of the Civil War but States Rights was the real reason the Civil war was fought.

Yea.....a States right to own slaves

A States right to make their own laws separate and distinct from the Federal Government.

In this case....own slaves

 

[rightwinger]

The civil war was about "keeping the Nation together" and exercising executive power that didnt exist.
Secession was about slavery.
Lincoln didnt give a shit about the slaves, he just didnt want it to SPREAD. He wanted to keep it where it was.

Sigh.

Actually Lincoln was personally opposed to slavery- but thought that advocating abolition was not the answer.

The Secession was about slavery. And the war started when South Carolina attacked U.S. Army troops to protect secession.

So the Confederacy did go to war to protect slavery- even if the Union did not go to war to end slavery.

For the slave owners it may have been but for those who didn't it had to be something else. My Great, Great grandfather fought with the 57st Alabama Infantry Regiment and he did not own slaves.

He fought to maintain the institution of slavery

 

[PredFan]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

My answer to the left wing race baiting idiots who make this claim is this:

Why did the vast majority of Southerners, who did not own slaves, fight and die?

It was for their rights as a state to govern themselves. It is absolutely true that the issue of slavery was what started it.

To make the claim that Conservatives are wrong is also wrong.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

The civil war was about "keeping the Nation together" and exercising executive power that didnt exist.
Secession was about slavery.
Lincoln didnt give a shit about the slaves, he just didnt want it to SPREAD. He wanted to keep it where it was.

Sigh.

Actually Lincoln was personally opposed to slavery- but thought that advocating abolition was not the answer.

The Secession was about slavery. And the war started when South Carolina attacked U.S. Army troops to protect secession.

So the Confederacy did go to war to protect slavery- even if the Union did not go to war to end slavery.

For the slave owners it may have been but for those who didn't it had to be something else. My Great, Great grandfather fought with the 57st Alabama Infantry Regiment and he did not own slaves.

He fought to maintain the institution of slavery

I don't know his reasons and he was my ancestor how the **** can you have a clue ?

 

[bendog]

The civil war was about "keeping the Nation together" and exercising executive power that didnt exist.
Secession was about slavery.
Lincoln didnt give a shit about the slaves, he just didnt want it to SPREAD. He wanted to keep it where it was.

Sigh.

Actually Lincoln was personally opposed to slavery- but thought that advocating abolition was not the answer.

The Secession was about slavery. And the war started when South Carolina attacked U.S. Army troops to protect secession.

So the Confederacy did go to war to protect slavery- even if the Union did not go to war to end slavery.

For the slave owners it may have been but for those who didn't own slaves it had to be something else. My Great, Great grandfather fought with the 57st Alabama Infantry Regiment and he did not own slaves.

We didn't want the slaves freed. We didn't want to compete with them for scarce resources in substance farming. We didn't want 3 million of them running loose. We also didn't want tariffs, or a majority of senators from non-slave states that had industrial and pro-immigrant (westward expansion) interests that conflicted with our economic interests.

 

[rightwinger]

The civil war was about "keeping the Nation together" and exercising executive power that didnt exist.
Secession was about slavery.
Lincoln didnt give a shit about the slaves, he just didnt want it to SPREAD. He wanted to keep it where it was.

Sigh.

Actually Lincoln was personally opposed to slavery- but thought that advocating abolition was not the answer.

The Secession was about slavery. And the war started when South Carolina attacked U.S. Army troops to protect secession.

So the Confederacy did go to war to protect slavery- even if the Union did not go to war to end slavery.

For the slave owners it may have been but for those who didn't it had to be something else. My Great, Great grandfather fought with the 57st Alabama Infantry Regiment and he did not own slaves.

He fought to maintain the institution of slavery

I don't know his reasons and he was my ancestor how the **** can you have a clue ?

Everyone who fought for the Confederacy was fighting to preserve slavery. The sole purpose of creating a slave state (40 percent slave)

 

[hadit]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

A glaring lack of subtilty is evident. Trying to reduce something as complex as the Civil War to a single issue gains us nothing and we learn nothing from history.

Of course slavery was a large reason for the War, but is was far from the only one.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

Americans, and clearly that means white Americans, are simply dishonest about race.

At no time in this country's history did white American believe that blacks were "that bad off", including during the height of Jim Crow atrocities.

It continues that way today, in where white Americans don't think that blacks "have it that bad" and firmly believe that it's WORSE to be CALLED racist than to have ACTUAL racism occur.

Conservatives are largely white, so....that's the long and short of it.

And that's just the liberal version that you dance to.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

And that's just the liberal version that you dance to.

Oh




Slavery Wasn't Really That Bad for Some Slaves, Says Fox News' O'Reilly

 

[rightwinger]

And that's just the liberal version that you dance to.

Oh




Slavery Wasn't Really That Bad for Some Slaves, Says Fox News' O'Reilly

It was just like a real life Minstrel Show

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Well, let's be precise, when you say "Civil War" are you referring to the war itself or to southern secession? The two are linked, obviously, but they each have different causes.

The southern states tried to leave the union to be able to continue to own human beings as slaves.

The southern states went to war to be able to leave the union to continue to own human beings as slaves.

The southern states were traitors to our nation at the time.

Anyone who complains about other nation flags being flown or football players taking a knee but also flies a confederate flag is nothing but a hypocrite. They are flying a flag of traitors to the United States of America. They killed hundreds of thousands of Americans just for the reason that they wanted to own human beings as slaves.

There is no other reason for the actions of the southern states and the civil war.

On top of that they lost and some conservative people today are still fighting that war.

Some of the southern states left for that reason, but it was Lincoln who went to war not the south. Which is why the Civil War was not fought over slavery, because it was Lincoln's choice to have a war and he was not interested in ending slavery as he explicitly stated.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The civil war was about "keeping the Nation together" and exercising executive power that didnt exist.
Secession was about slavery.
Lincoln didnt give a shit about the slaves, he just didnt want it to SPREAD. He wanted to keep it where it was.

Sigh.

Actually Lincoln was personally opposed to slavery- but thought that advocating abolition was not the answer.

The Secession was about slavery. And the war started when South Carolina attacked U.S. Army troops to protect secession.

So the Confederacy did go to war to protect slavery- even if the Union did not go to war to end slavery.

For the slave owners it may have been but for those who didn't it had to be something else. My Great, Great grandfather fought with the 57st Alabama Infantry Regiment and he did not own slaves.

He fought to maintain the institution of slavery

I don't know his reasons and he was my ancestor how the **** can you have a clue ?

Everyone who fought for the Confederacy was fighting to preserve slavery. The sole purpose of creating a slave state (40 percent slave)

So the guy who fought so that Sherman wouldn't burn down his home and steal his crops was fighting for slavery even if he owned no slaves? The logic doesn't follow.

 

[OKTexas]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

The fact that there were slave holding States in the north kind of shoots down your pathetic theory, doesn't it.


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Not by 1860....

Delaware had 1798 according to the 1860 census.


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Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

The fact that there were slave holding States in the north kind of shoots down your pathetic theory, doesn't it.


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Not by 1860....

Delaware had 1798 according to the 1860 census.


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Link to that?

1860 Census Results

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Some of the southern states left for that reason, but it was Lincoln who went to war not the south. Which is why the Civil War was not fought over slavery, because it was Lincoln's choice to have a war and he was not interested in ending slavery as he explicitly stated.

We get it, no one cared about the slaves back then...