Most Conservatives Still Believe The Civil War Wasn't Over Slavery

[SassyIrishLass]

Lincoln wanted blacks to go back to Africa. The vast majority of Northerners considered blacks inferior. The motto of the north was "Save the union" and as Bootney accurately pointed out the whole slavery thing came up 2 years into the war.

No amount of facts are going to phase you, are they?

Cool...so basically your point is that Lincoln didn't give a **** about slaves either? got it.

He gave a **** about slaves.

He just didn’t care too much about what happened to freed blacks.

Lincoln only cared about preseving the nation

That is not entirely true.

From what I've read I think it is.

 

[MarcATL]

Speak of the devil... Any argument at all? No one is more silly and regressive than conservative drones... You fought for slave owners and now for the greedy 1% and fox noise

It's the same people, with the same beliefs, same views, same talking points, and the same lies.

They haven't changed.

 

[ptbw forever]

Speak of the devil... Any argument at all? No one is more silly and regressive than conservative drones... You fought for slave owners and now for the greedy 1% and fox noise

It's the same people, with the same beliefs, same views, same talking points, and the same lies.

They haven't changed.

Says the dipshit with a Malcolm X avatar....

 

[MarcATL]

How could they have written that the Civil War was over slavery when the Civil War was not happening during the time the quotes you've supplied were written?

"Hey dadda, how come iz the skwye bwue???!??"

 

[MarcATL]

Says the dipshit with a Malcolm X avatar....

Explain to the class what your brain is telling you the significance of my Avatar is.

Don't worry...I'll wait.

 

[ptbw forever]

Says the dipshit with a Malcolm X avatar....

Explain to the class what your brain is telling you the significance of my Avatar means.

I'll wait.

Your avatar means that you are living in the past and your heroes are all black racists.

 

[MarcATL]

The South seceded to preserve slavery. The election of Lincoln was perceived as the election of an abolitionist. That's how Lincoln was portrayed in the South.

Lincoln actually believed that if slavery was necessary to keep the Union together, then so be it. If the abolition of slavery was necessary, then so be it. The preservation of the Union was paramount.

But in his heart, Lincoln despised slavery.

No matter how you spin it, though, the war was fought over slavery. I don't know why people resist that idea so vehemently. After all, the very same people spend a lot of time telling us Confederates were Democrats!

Positively schizophrenic. Like the Union itself.

These words should never come from you. You already know the answer to this. It's because America is a white nation, back then, and mostly white nation now. Americans, and we're talking white people, have never been honest about racism, never. They've never been honest about white supremacy and the legacy of both.

What you're seeing on these 30-some-odd pages, and counting, is just that, American whites reveling in their willful ignorance, aka dishonesty.

Don't you forget it.

 

[MarcATL]

Your avatar means that you are living in the past and your heroes are all black racists.

There are posters here who have members of the so-called "founding fathers" as their avatars.

Do you hound them and harangue them that their "living in the past" as well? Or nah?

BTW, what makes Brother Minister Malcolm-X a "black racist?"

Please expound.

 

[OKTexas]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

The fact that there were slave holding States in the north kind of shoots down your pathetic theory, doesn't it.


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[ptbw forever]

The South seceded to preserve slavery. The election of Lincoln was perceived as the election of an abolitionist. That's how Lincoln was portrayed in the South.

Lincoln actually believed that if slavery was necessary to keep the Union together, then so be it. If the abolition of slavery was necessary, then so be it. The preservation of the Union was paramount.

But in his heart, Lincoln despised slavery.

No matter how you spin it, though, the war was fought over slavery. I don't know why people resist that idea so vehemently. After all, the very same people spend a lot of time telling us Confederates were Democrats!

Positively schizophrenic. Like the Union itself.

These words should never come from you. You already know the answer to this. It's because America is a white nation, back then, and mostly white nation now. Americans, and we're talking white people, have never been honest about racism, never. They've never been honest about white supremacy and the legacy of both.

What you're seeing on these 30-some-odd pages, and counting, is just that, American whites reveling in their willful ignorance, aka dishonesty.

Don't you forget it.

Says the racist who represents the most racist racial group in the country.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

Oh god I predicted you would make these threads..

 

[MarcATL]

I see a lot of people throwing Lincoln under the bus with the "Lincoln didn't give a shit about slaves"

I'll make sure to remember that when Republicans are forced to defend their poor track record on Civil rights by saying "but but but we are the party of Lincoln"

I like your style Biff!

Or would you rather be referred to as Pointdexter?

 

[Marion Morrison]

Your avatar means that you are living in the past and your heroes are all black racists.

There are posters here who have members of the so-called "founding fathers" as their avatars.

Do you hound them and harangue them that their "living in the past" as well? Or nah?

BTW, what makes Brother Minister Malcolm-X a "black racist?"

Please expound.

You ever listen to the old folk around in Atlanta talk about Sherman? They're not Yankee fans.

Lincoln was a turd. He authorized what Sherman did.

He also went all kinds of against Amendments 1-4.

That's not what he took an oath to do. In fact, quite the opposite.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

Uhm listen so you realize how many thousands of threads we have had on this subject?

 

[Natural Citizen]

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

That's because it wasn't.

Lincoln was a Hamiltonian who wanted a strong Union. He wanted to demolish the idea of secession and get rid of the original intent of the Republic.

That's the cliff notes.

If I can save the Union by keeping slavery, I will. If I can save the Union by getting rid of slavery, I will. - Lincoln

 

[ptbw forever]

Your avatar means that you are living in the past and your heroes are all black racists.

There are posters here who have members of the so-called "founding fathers" as their avatars.

Do you hound them and harangue them that their "living in the past" as well? Or nah?

BTW, what makes Brother Minister Malcolm-X a "black racist?"

Please expound.

They founded the country, idiot.

Do you think we should blow up Mt Rushmore? How about burning the Constitution?

That is not the same as having your avatar be a hateful asshole who was at least partially a product of his and his ancestors’ time.

Not only is Malcolm X’s America dead and buried, most mainstream institutions in America and the greater west today hate white people as much or more than he once did.

 

[MarcATL]

But secession and the war were two different events. The causes of secession were the not the causes of the war. The Deep South seceded months before the war started, and the Upper South did not secede until after Lincoln made it clear that he was going to invade.

Dear ptbw forever

Take a gander at this poster's avatar.

I look forward to you hounding and haranguing him about his "living in the past."

Sincerely,
MarcATL

 

[Mike Dwight]

ha sorry bear we're not even there ,we're onto Alabama's centennial civil war celebration of 1961,governor George Wallace, Malcom x vs mlk jr., segregation, don't forget the raciiiist America, racist being a 1920 word. I must be some kind of, hater of the equal opportunity transgender native American female owned business!

 

[Wyatt earp]

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

That's because it wasn't.

Lincoln was a Hamiltonian who wanted a strong Union. He wanted to demolish the idea of secession and get rid of the original intent of the Republic.

That's the cliff notes.

If I can save the Union by keeping slavery, I will. If I can save the Union by getting rid of slavery, I will. - Lincoln

If I can save the Union by keeping slavery, I will. If I can save the Union by getting rid of slavery, I will. - Lincoln


Well read

 

[Marion Morrison]

You know who had something to do with Malcolm X getting murdered? A man Obama had up in The White House all the time. Al Sharpton.