Most Conservatives Still Believe The Civil War Wasn't Over Slavery

[Political Junky]

Cons believe what their masters tell them.

 

[MarcATL]

They founded the country, idiot.

Do you think we should blow up Mt Rushmore? How about burning the Constitution?

That is not the same as having your avatar be a hateful asshole who was at least partially a product of his and his ancestors’ time.

Not only is Malcolm X’s America dead and buried, most mainstream institutions in America and the greater west today hate white people as much or more than he once did.

Oh, so your "living in the past" claptrap has specifications, SOME forms of "living in the past" are OK.

I see.

In any case, please expound on what is meant by "Malcolm X's America."

I don't know what you mean.

Thanks.

- Marc ATL

 

[Wyatt earp]

Cons believe what their masters tell them.

Bullshit we are individuals...we fight like hell among ourselves..the sheep is,the libtards

 

[OKTexas]

Well, let's be precise, when you say "Civil War" are you referring to the war itself or to southern secession? The two are linked, obviously, but they each have different causes.

What was the difference?

Well the first wave of secession was obviously primarily related to fears about slavery, but the second wave after Fort Sumter was due to Lincoln's policies in response to Fort Sumter. Then the Civil War itself was based on Lincoln's desire to force the southern states to remain in the Union, and as he himself favored an amendment explicitly enshrining slavery as a constitutional right it would be incorrect to say that the Civil War was fought over slavery.

Yep, Lincoln decided, what Jefferson said in the DOI not withstanding, that free men ought not be able to govern themselves. He betrayed the very bedrock principle this country was founded on.


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[Marion Morrison]

Cons believe what their masters tell them.

Bullshit we are individuals...we fight like hell among ourselves..the sheep is,the libtards

That's right. conservatives think for themselves and argue, while leftists all march in lockstep.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Cons believe what their masters tell them.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Cons believe what their masters tell them.

Bullshit we are individuals...we fight like hell among ourselves..the sheep is,the libtards

That's right. conservatives think for themselves and argue, while leftists all march in lockstep.

No shit Sherlock now,what where you saying again about. ...

Lol

 

[ptbw forever]

They founded the country, idiot.

Do you think we should blow up Mt Rushmore? How about burning the Constitution?

That is not the same as having your avatar be a hateful asshole who was at least partially a product of his and his ancestors’ time.

Not only is Malcolm X’s America dead and buried, most mainstream institutions in America and the greater west today hate white people as much or more than he once did.

Oh, so your "living in the past" claptrap has specifications, SOME forms of "living in the past" are OK.

I see.

In any case, please expound on what is meant by "Malcolm X's America."

I don't know what you mean.

Thanks.

- Marc ATL

Nations wouldn’t exist without ties to their founding.

Malcolm X didn’t found anything.


The America that Malcolm X hated so much is almost entirely dead and buried.

America is now almost completely an anti-white nation, just like Canada and Western European countries are. The Democrats now routinely campaign against the interests of white Americans, as well as campaign against the very notion of white Americans being allowed to have a self interest, and Republicans now campaign to appease minorities at the ultimate expense of whites.

 

[MarcATL]

Lincoln only cared about preseving the nation

Sounds good to me bub.

Just be sure to make this declaration every time a self-proclaimed conservative and/or Republican here on USMB goes flapping their gums that "we're from the party of Lincoln!" as if to get some kinda pro-black cool points.

Hmmmmkay?

 

[MarcATL]

Nations wouldn’t exist without ties to their founding.

Malcolm X didn’t found anything.


The America that Malcolm X hated so much is almost entirely dead and buried.

America is now almost completely an anti-white nation, just like Canada and Western European countries are. The Democrats now routinely campaign against the interests of white Americans, as well as campaign against the very notion of white Americans being allowed to have a self interest, and Republicans now campaign to appease minorities at the ultimate expense of whites.

Interesting use of that qualifier, "almost." However, let's ignore that entirely for the sake of this argument.

Simply describe this "America that Malcolm X hate so much."

Looking forward to your response.

- MarcATL

 

[Wyatt earp]

Lincoln only cared about preseving the nation

Sounds good to me bub.

Just be sure to make this declaration every time a self-proclaimed conservative and/or Republican here on USMB goes flapping their gums that "we're from the party of Lincoln!" as if to get some kinda pro-black cool points.

Hmmmmkay?

You think that's what it is?

Or do us white guys know...

 

[MarcATL]

You ever listen to the old folk around in Atlanta talk about Sherman? They're not Yankee fans.

Lincoln was a turd. He authorized what Sherman did.

He also went all kinds of against Amendments 1-4.

That's not what he took an oath to do. In fact, quite the opposite.

So. what...?

 

[ptbw forever]

Lincoln only cared about preseving the nation

Sounds good to me bub.

Just be sure to make this declaration every time a self-proclaimed conservative and/or Republican here on USMB goes flapping their gums that "we're from the party of Lincoln!" as if to get some kinda pro-black cool points.

Hmmmmkay?

That only delegitimizes “progressivism” and their treasonous activities against white America....long before “white privilege” was ever a concept.

 

[ptbw forever]

Nations wouldn’t exist without ties to their founding.

Malcolm X didn’t found anything.


The America that Malcolm X hated so much is almost entirely dead and buried.

America is now almost completely an anti-white nation, just like Canada and Western European countries are. The Democrats now routinely campaign against the interests of white Americans, as well as campaign against the very notion of white Americans being allowed to have a self interest, and Republicans now campaign to appease minorities at the ultimate expense of whites.

Interesting use of that qualifier, "almost." However, let's ignore that entirely for this argument.

Simply describe this "America that Malcolm X hate so much."

Looking forward to your response.

- MarcATL

“Almost” as in the few remaining people who exist from that time are either in nursing homes, or at least way too old to influence anything.

Malcolm X was a raving lunatic who hated white people until the very last moments of his life when he supposedly changed. He lived in an America that at least partially didn’t really care about blacks and at least partially looked the other way when they were being wronged. America today is exact same way for white people.

 

[Marion Morrison]

You ever listen to the old folk around in Atlanta talk about Sherman? They're not Yankee fans.

Lincoln was a turd. He authorized what Sherman did.

He also went all kinds of against Amendments 1-4.

That's not what he took an oath to do. In fact, quite the opposite.

So. what...?

So Lincoln went against The Constitution. If he hadn't been assassinated, he likely would have died from Syphilis anyways. Syphilis makes people not in their right mind.

 

[francoHFW]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

The fact that there were slave holding States in the north kind of shoots down your pathetic theory, doesn't it.


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Not by 1860....

 

[Marion Morrison]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

The fact that there were slave holding States in the north kind of shoots down your pathetic theory, doesn't it.


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Not by 1860....

Yes by 1860.

History. Even after the war was over, blacks were freer in the South than in the North.

How many Yankee blacks got elected to Congress? Know why the black people got elected to Congress back then? Because they swayed the votes of all the people.

And then the Klan comes along, grrr..

 

[OKTexas]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

The fact that there were slave holding States in the north kind of shoots down your pathetic theory, doesn't it.


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Not by 1860....

Delaware had 1798 according to the 1860 census.


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[there4eyeM]

I'm still baffled by the fact that the southern states didn't push for a constitutional amendment making succession legal.

It may have taken some time, but once they had that they could have seceded without any question.

Such a change would have taken a lot of time. Also, the realists knew it would not pass. The South chose rebellion and lost. No nation allows itself to be torn apart, even if it doesn't have a specific law saying no part of it may leave. What's more, enough people understood the original intention of the founders and their documents to see that the Union was permanent.

Where on Earth does it say it was permanent, and which founders?

"Whether we remain in one confederacy, or form into Atlantic and Mississippi confederacies, I believe not very important to the happiness of either part. Those of the western confederacy will be as much our children & descendants as those of the eastern, and I feel myself as much identified with that country, in future time, as with this; and did I now foresee a separation at some future day, yet I should feel the duty & the desire to promote the western interests as zealously as the eastern, doing all the good for both portions of our future family which should fall within my power." - Thomas Jefferson

An Anti-Democratic Manifesto Written by Lawyers for the 1%

That's why Jefferson was purposely kept out of the writing of the Constitution.

The point is that the idea that the Union was permanent in the minds of "The Founders" is nonsense.

If one reads the founding documents, it makes sense. At least, it made sense to them. To one who refuses to see it, it is invisible, of course. Such is the power of the 'mind'!

 

[francoHFW]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

The fact that there were slave holding States in the north kind of shoots down your pathetic theory, doesn't it.


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Not by 1860....

Delaware had 1798 according to the 1860 census.


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At any rate tiny numbers by Southern standards... This says New Jersey was the last Northern State to have slaves, 17 in 1860.
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