Zone1 Mary's sinlessness

[hadit]

Have you forgotten the four verses I posted about salvation? All four are in the Bible, so let's approach this from a different angle.

What have non-Catholic Christian churches thrown out? It is not that the Catholic Church has added to what Jesus and the Apostles said. It's that some churches have thrown out a few things here, a few things there. It is not that these churches did not retain some truth, some goodness--it is that the Catholic faith teaches the fullness of the scripture, the fullness of salvation...the fullness of that truth. Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you will not have my life within you.

If it indeed becomes the flesh and blood of Christ, then we are consuming it already.

Next: Remember my question of, Are you a fan of salvation?

I am a fan of music: I am especially a fan of piano music and violin music. I truly enjoy the piano and the violin. And that is as far as it goes. I didn't learn to play the violin. I can play chopsticks on the piano, but that's about it. In other words, I never took lessons in either instrument, never practiced, never made either an integral part of my being. I'm only a fan. I don't want my life in Jesus to be that of a fan, not even the number one fan. I want him as part of my being, and being a part of his being.

Jesus flat out stated the Eucharist was part and parcel of being his life, being a part of salvation. He told us what he wanted of us. Some have decided that what we want to give, what we decide is good enough, outweighs what Jesus asks of us.

While we're on the whole eucharist thing, you have forgotten that Jesus also told His disciples that they would drink from His cup? Did they just forget to do it?

You seem to be hung up on the Eucharist. We all partake in Communion.

 

[Cougarbear]

Because the Holy Spirit does not go out of its way to seek conflict.

Then stop being conflicting by saying I don’t have the Holy Ghost. Admit you are not the Holy Ghost to judge me.

 

[ding]

Then stop being conflicting by saying I don’t have the Holy Ghost. Admit you are not the Holy Ghost to judge me.

My obligation to truth has been satisfied. What you do with it is up to you.

 

[hobelim]

There is no such thing as "sin". Its a childish, magical concept dreamt up by less capable humans living in a more ignorant, more primitive time of our existence and intellectual development.

Not exactly. Sin is a violation of the Law. It means mistake, or crime, what a violation of the Law is now called. What childish "less capable humans" called a sinner is what more advanced humans, , now call a criminal.

What's the difference?

To say that sin doesn't exist is to say that crime doesn't exist which is what is primitive, ignorant, and silly. Derp.



Now you know.

 

[Meriweather]

I also look to see what others have to say about the Scriptures but have to weigh what they against the Word itself. What I try to avoid is sole dependence on what someone else has to say without looking for myself.

Do you see yourself as the final decision-maker on what scripture is saying to you, and the meaning for you of that passage?

 

[Meriweather]

If it indeed becomes the flesh and blood of Christ, then we are consuming it already.

Do you believe anyone can call upon Christ for the transubstantiation of bread and wine into his body and blood? And, if an unworthy person, or even a person who has no knowledge of the purpose of that bread and wine happens to partake, no problem; if people don't believe they are consuming the true, body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ, no problem? No faith or belief in Christ required?

 

[Meriweather]

While we're on the whole eucharist thing, you have forgotten that Jesus also told His disciples that they would drink from His cup? Did they just forget to do it?

How do you know they did not partake of it?

You seem to be hung up on the Eucharist. We all partake in Communion.

You mean I seem to be hung up on salvation, and what Jesus called us to do as the way of salvation.

When you partake of Communion, is it the Eucharist, the transubstantiation of Christ's actual body, blood, soul, and divinity? Is that your faith, your belief?

 

[Cougarbear]

My obligation to truth has been satisfied. What you do with it is up to you.

I'm not saying that you can't receive influence of the Holy Ghost. But, you haven't received the Gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands by one who has authority to do so. You also have the Light of Christ to decern between good and evil. Not truth or falsehoods. That's where the Holy Ghost works. You haven't done the necessary preparation for that. My testimony by the Gift of the Holy Ghost stands firm. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the Lord's Church run by him.

 

[ding]

I'm not saying that you can't receive influence of the Holy Ghost. But, you haven't received the Gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands by one who has authority to do so. You also have the Light of Christ to decern between good and evil. Not truth or falsehoods. That's where the Holy Ghost works. You haven't done the necessary preparation for that. My testimony by the Gift of the Holy Ghost stands firm. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the Lord's Church run by him.

The spirit of God is in everyone. I don’t need to hear your dogma.

 

[Cougarbear]

The spirit of God is in everyone. I don’t need to hear your dogma.

No, the Light of Christ is in everything including everyone. That means we have the ability to know good or evil. That is different from knowing the truth or false of something. That is given through the Holy Ghost. Before baptism in the true Church, it's simply an influence to guide people to receiving their own testimony enough to be baptized and then receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost. Our dogma as you put it, is the truth and substantiated by the Holy Ghost.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Sin is a violation of the Law.

No it isnt.

It's a childish,magical concept of an affront against the gods.

Some sins are thoughts. Dumb.

 

[ding]

No, the Light of Christ is in everything including everyone. That means we have the ability to know good or evil. That is different from knowing the truth or false of something. That is given through the Holy Ghost. Before baptism in the true Church, it's simply an influence to guide people to receiving their own testimony enough to be baptized and then receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost. Our dogma as you put it, is the truth and substantiated by the Holy Ghost.

I must not have it then because I wasn’t baptized in the “true church.”

 

[hobelim]

Some sins are thoughts. Dumb.

So a conspiracy to commit a crime isn't a crime even if it isn't successful or executed?

Okey dokey.

 

[Cougarbear]

I must not have it then because I wasn’t baptized in the “true church.”

You have the light of Christ to gain the influence of the Holy Ghost if you ask with a sincere heart, no double mind, with real intent, faith not wavering that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the Lord's Church with all the necessary doctrines, ordinances and commandments today to progress towards eternal life in the highest kingdom in God's Heaven. James 1:5-9

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So a conspiracy to commit a crime isn't a crime even if it isn't successful or executed?

When it's only a thought?

Of course not.

 

[Cougarbear]

When it's only a thought?

Of course not.

There has to be other information like actual plans drawn up. Buying of weapons. Stalking. Other actual things that corroborate the thoughts. That's why getting everyone with TDS off the streets and into mental hospitals is necessary.

 

[sparky]

Mary was.......uhmmm....robbed! ~S~

 

[BreezeWood]

Mary was.......uhmmm....robbed! ~S~

theirs is a happy and loving relationship ...

who is robbed would be judaism, all three desert religions their stones left in their baskets the desert dwellers weep for the lost opportunity but for their sacred commandments. knowing instead better the heavenly sent magi would separate their skulls who might venture to harm them - mary joseph jesus.

 

[hadit]

Do you see yourself as the final decision-maker on what scripture is saying to you, and the meaning for you of that passage?

I am reminded of what Paul said about the Bereans, in that they searched the Scriptures for themselves, not blindly taking what they were told as Gospel truth. I am also reminded that we are to test the spirits, not blindly taking what they say as Gospel truth. I am also reminded that God gives wisdom freely and generously to those who ask for it.

IOW, I have a duty and responsibility to look for myself, to ask God if what I'm being told is true. I accept the teachings of those more mature than I am, but I cannot do it blindly. If what they say contradicts what the Bible says, I cannot accept it, no matter what hat they're wearing at the time.

 

[Meriweather]

I am reminded of what Paul said about the Bereans, in that they searched the Scriptures for themselves, not blindly taking what they were told as Gospel truth. I am also reminded that we are to test the spirits, not blindly taking what they say as Gospel truth. I am also reminded that God gives wisdom freely and generously to those who ask for it.

IOW, I have a duty and responsibility to look for myself, to ask God if what I'm being told is true. I accept the teachings of those more mature than I am, but I cannot do it blindly. If what they say contradicts what the Bible says, I cannot accept it, no matter what hat they're wearing at the time.

I understand all of that. But my question was when it comes to scripture are you your own final authority?