Zone1 Mary's sinlessness

[hobelim]

When you capitalize Divine and use it to refer to the creator of existence.....

I said, "Divine Law" which does not refer to any creator of existence. Genesis does not either. The story of the creation of heaven and earth, a world above and a world below, ON EARTH, is not about the creation of existence. It is about otherworldly beings bringing knowledge of God to earth trying to help hapless humans learn to differentiate between clean and unclean, right and wrong, good and evil, light and darkness, life and death.

An clue is "the Spirit of God hovered over the waters and said let there be light." There was no water before light.

Didn't you ever read the story? Try to think.

You can do it!

 

[ding]

The way I used the word Divine does not refer to any creator of existence. Genesis does not either. The story of the creation of heaven and earth, a world above and a world below, ON EARTH, is not about the creation of existence. It is about otherworldly beings bringing knowledge of God to earth trying to help hapless humans learn to differentiate between clean and unclean, right and wrong, good and evil, light and darkness, life and death.

An clue is "the Spirit of God hovered over the waters and said let there be light." There was no water before light.

Try to think.

You can do it!

It is most certainly is as that is a core belief of Judaism. Try googling it.

But setting that account aside, you don’t believe God created the universe period. And that is what I am using to show you do not believe in anything supernatural.

You are playing games. There is nothing genuine about anything you post. You’re here to subvert Christianity. You are a subversive political ideologue.

 

[hobelim]

It is most certainly is as that is a core belief of Judaism

Maybe so. And so what.

It is also a core belief of Judaism that the wisdom of God hidden in the Divine commands would be revealed. And I can see that they have hit the ground running. Apparently you have been left behind. I am sorry for your loss.

 

[hobelim]

ut setting that account aside, you don’t believe God created the universe period. And that is what I am using to show you do not believe in anything supernatural.

I clearly said the creation account recorded in Genesis is not about the creation of the universe. Pay attention!

You are playing games. There is nothing genuine about anything you post. You’re here to subvert Christianity. You are a subversive political ideologue.

Now thats really funny. "So he cast the man out, and to the east of Eden he stationed the Cherubim, with a flaming and flashing sword, that turns in every direction, TO GUARD THE WAY TO THE TREE OF LIFE."


"Saint Stephen with a rose
In and out of the garden he goes
Country garland in the wind and the rain
Wherever he goes the people all complain"

 

[ding]

Maybe so. And so what.

It is also a core belief of Judaism that the wisdom of God hidden in the Divine commands would be revealed. And I can see that they have hit the ground running. Apparently you have been left behind. I am sorry for your loss.

God creating existence is a core belief of Judaism and that is why the Torah begins with that account. When there is smoke there is fire.

 

[ding]

I clearly said the creation account recorded in Genesis is not about the creation of the universe. Pay attention!



Now thats really funny. "So he cast the man out, and to the east of Eden he stationed the Cherubim, with a flaming and flashing sword, that turns in every direction, TO GUARD THE WAY TO THE TREE OF LIFE."


"Saint Stephen with a rose
In and out of the garden he goes
Country garland in the wind and the rain
Wherever he goes the people all complain"

I know what you said. It’s what you didn’t say that reveals your true colors.

Try googling, “does Judaism teach that God created the universe?” Because this is what you will get:

Yes, Judaism fundamentally teaches that God is the Creator of the universe, a concept known as creatio ex nihilo (creation from nothing). The Genesis creation story in the Torah describes God bringing order out of chaos, and while most Jewish denominations interpret this story as a spiritual and philosophical truth rather than a literal scientific account, they universally accept that the universe and everything within it originated from God.

 

[Meriweather]

Very well, I see that you do not understand what I said. Even if you simply take what a Papal bull says about Scripture or accept as Gospel truth a tradition that has been around for a long time or if you just take a priest's/pastor's word for it, you ARE responsible for what you believe and will be held to it. The Bereans did not blindly take an Apostle's word on things, they diligently searched the Scriptures FOR THEMSELVES to make sure what he said was true. That's what WE need to do, take what we hear and search Scripture to see if it is true.

How much clearer can I be? Do you not make up your own mind about what you are being told to believe, or do you passively accept what you're told because somebody else thought of it first?

What does a Papal Bull have to do with scripture? The Bereans were testing Paul's words against the Old Testament, as New Testament scripture didn't exist at that time. They were not known for consulting God about what Paul was saying, or even consulting God about whether the Old Testament was/is correct. They were comparing and contrasting what Paul was saying against what was written down in the past. I'm merely pointing out that you said you go to God, and from God you figure it out.

You know what I do. I study original language(s)/etymology, histories, cultures, anthropology, to discern as closely as possible the author's original intent.

 

[hadit]

What does a Papal Bull have to do with scripture? The Bereans were testing Paul's words against the Old Testament, as New Testament scripture didn't exist at that time. They were not known for consulting God about what Paul was saying, or even consulting God about whether the Old Testament was/is correct. They were comparing and contrasting what Paul was saying against what was written down in the past. I'm merely pointing out that you said you go to God, and from God you figure it out.

You know what I do. I study original language(s)/etymology, histories, cultures, anthropology, to discern as closely as possible the author's original intent.

Which is what I've been advocating. Somehow, it's controversial that I say we need to figure out for ourselves if what we're being told is true or not.

 

[hobelim]

God creating existence is a core belief of Judaism and that is why the Torah begins with that account.

You must be hard of reading.

The Torah begins with the account of God creating "heaven and earth", a world above and a world below, on this planet that was flat, all former slaves, (everyone was equal) and the world was without shape or form (lawless) and void (pointless) and darkness (ignorance) covered the face of the deep (the unknown) for billions of years.

I agree logically that God is the 1st cause which has been a core belief of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, but thats not what Genesis is about. I do not subscribe to or practice any known religion and I worship an unknown God who doesn't give a shit about what you eat or what you wear or the sexual preferences of consenting adult bipeds.

I am creating a new heaven and a new earth. New firmament upon which people of every nation language belief or unbelief can find common ground to live together in peace and prosperity free from the ignorance of the past.

Now you know.

 

[hadit]

You must be hard of reading.

The Torah begins with the account of God creating "heaven and earth", a world above and a world below, on this planet that was flat, all former slaves, (everyone was equal) and the world was without shape or form (lawless) and void (pointless) and darkness (ignorance) covered the face of the deep (the unknown) for billions of years.

I agree logically that God is the 1st cause which has been a core belief of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, but thats not what Genesis is about. I do not subscribe to or practice any known religion and I worship an unknown God who doesn't give a shit about what you eat or what you wear or the sexual preferences of consenting adult bipeds.

I am creating a new heaven and a new earth. New firmament upon which people of every nation language belief or unbelief can find common ground to live together in peace and prosperity free from the ignorance of the past.

Now you know.

We all notice that you re-define virtually every word from Scripture so it means what you want it to mean, not what it says.

 

[hobelim]

We all notice

How many of you are there?

that you re-define virtually every word from Scripture so it means what you want it to mean, not what it says.

Are you really that dull? Damn.

Then you tell me what you think this means if it is not clearly a curse under the appearance of a cup of wine.

"Take, from my hand, this cup of fiery wine and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it. When they have drunk it THEY WILL VOMIT AND GO MAD, SUCH IS THE SWORD THAT I AM SENDING AMONG THEM"

Remember? Jesus clearlry said that he did not come to bring peace but a sword, right? Right? RIGHT?

And what does this verse mean if it is not a confirmation that Jesus cursed the nations with the identified sword?

"He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword."



How is it you don't know the only right course to take? It means what it says right? Right? RIGHT? Deal with it.

 

[ding]

You must be hard of reading.

The Torah begins with the account of God creating "heaven and earth", a world above and a world below, on this planet that was flat, all former slaves, (everyone was equal) and the world was without shape or form (lawless) and void (pointless) and darkness (ignorance) covered the face of the deep (the unknown) for billions of years.

I agree logically that God is the 1st cause which has been a core belief of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, but thats not what Genesis is about. I do not subscribe to or practice any known religion and I worship an unknown God who doesn't give a shit about what you eat or what you wear or the sexual preferences of consenting adult bipeds.

I am creating a new heaven and a new earth. New firmament upon which people of every nation language belief or unbelief can find common ground to live together in peace and prosperity free from the ignorance of the past.

Now you know.

I’m not hard of reading. This is the first time you have ever written that. It only took you a couple of years.

 

[ding]

How many of you are there?

Everyone but you.

 

[hobelim]

Everyone but you.

Thank God!

 

[hobelim]

I’m not hard of reading. This is the first time you have ever written that. It only took you a couple of years.

No.

I have been consistently saying that the story of "the creation of heaven and earth" is not about the Big Bang.

 

[ding]

Thank God!

You mean the one who thinks buggery is good?

I worship an unknown God who doesn't give a shit about what you eat or what you wear or the sexual preferences of consenting adult bipeds.

 

[hobelim]

You mean the one who thinks buggery is good?

So you think that the concern of God (who is incorporeal) for human beings, is carnal in nature? I'll tell you what.

You can have your three for the price of one fake mangod and live out the rest of your days striving to reflect the image and likeness of a materialistic perverted homophobic misogynistic capricious immoral and unethical petty tyrant, and I have my unknown God whose concern for people is keeping pure the only thing incorporeal in man, which is their conscious mind, just like a benevolent Father, so they can enjoy the fullness of life on earth for life.

But, seriously ding, you should never gamble, especially when my God owns the casino. You really suck at it.

 

[ding]

So you think that the concern of God (who is incorporeal) for human beings, is carnal in nature? I'll tell you what.

You can have your three for the price of one fake mangod and live out the rest of your days striving to reflect the image and likeness of a materialistic perverted homophobic misogynistic capricious immoral and unethical petty tyrant, and I have my unknown God whose concern for people is keeping pure the only thing incorporeal in man, which is their conscious mind, just like a benevolent Father, so they can enjoy the fullness of life on earth for life.

But, seriously ding, you should never gamble, especially when my God owns the casino. You really suck at it.

I’ve told you what I think. I think you are a political ideologue who is intent on subverting Christianity because of political issues like gay marriage and abortion.

And that is why your hatred of Christians can be seen in how hateful your posts are towards Christians. I think your hatred consumes you and that it feels good to you to write your posts the way you do.

 

[ding]

No.

I have been consistently saying that the story of "the creation of heaven and earth" is not about the Big Bang.

But refused to say God created the universe until now.

 

[Meriweather]

Which is what I've been advocating. Somehow, it's controversial that I say we need to figure out for ourselves if what we're being told is true or not.

The difference between us is you said you go to God.