MAGA crowd. Do these people have enough knowledge or ability to evaluate/assess who should be president, that we can have confidence in their pick?

[JustAGuy1]

If nothing else, I use data, statistics and facts to make my decisions. Can I guarantee that I am right? Absolutely NOT but at least the probabilities of my being right are much greater than someone that believes their leader is God (or chosen by God) and that the opposition is Satan (or just simply the worst possible).

I have been doing evaluations publicly and formally for 47 years and my "track record" has been "more often right than wrong".

What are your qualifications and track record? in order for us to even begin to think that your evaluation might be correct!

Your ego demands you believe you are right all the time. Hell, all of us need to believe we are right about about somethings. The way we make decisions is usually based on our outlook and perceptions.

I am a Conservative, not a Pub but a Conservative. You people on the Left have nothing I agree with, not one damn thing. I reject you and everything you stand for. The problem I have is that Conservatives have virtually no Representation if the Gov. Rump is not a Conservative , the truth is you folks think everything is Binary. It isn't. The only true difference in the Parties is the speed in which they take us to the same place. That's it.

 

[Luckyone]

Your ego demands you believe you are right all the time. Hell, all of us need to believe we are right about about somethings. The way we make decisions is usually based on our outlook and perceptions.

I am a Conservative, not a Pub but a Conservative. You people on the Left have nothing I agree with, not one damn thing. I reject you and everything you stand for. The problem I have is that Conservatives have virtually no Representation if the Gov. Rump is not a Conservative , the truth is you folks think everything is Binary. It isn't. The only true difference in the Parties is the speed in which they take us to the same place. That's it.

I am not a Democrat or a leftist. I am an independent who was a Republican until the Far Right took over the party. I am a centrist and all extremes are bad to me (both right and left). I believe that each side has something good to give and something bad they need to leave behing.

My belief in myself comes from the knowledge I have gained over my 79 years of life. I have always searched for knowledge and I have obtained a large amount, meaning I know what I know. What I don't know I do not opine on it. I am totally willing to accept being wrong when proven wrong. No one yet has "proven" me wrong. Then again, most people have not even tried as they do not provide data, statistics and facts........all they provide is opinion, of which they feel 100% about but they do not even want to open the door to anything other than they opinion.

It is as simple as that

 

[westwall]

I am not a Democrat or a leftist. I am an independent who was a Republican until the Far Right took over the party. I am a centrist and all extremes are bad to me (both right and left). I believe that each side has something good to give and something bad they need to leave behing.

My belief in myself comes from the knowledge I have gained over my 79 years of life. I have always searched for knowledge and I have obtained a large amount, meaning I know what I know. What I don't know I do not opine on it. I am totally willing to accept being wrong when proven wrong. No one yet has "proven" me wrong. Then again, most people have not even tried as they do not provide data, statistics and facts........all they provide is opinion, of which they feel 100% about but they do not even want to open the door to anything other than they opinion.

It is as simple as that

You are a progressive fascist.

 

[JustAGuy1]

I am not a Democrat or a leftist. I am an independent who was a Republican until the Far Right took over the party. I am a centrist and all extremes are bad to me (both right and left). I believe that each side has something good to give and something bad they need to leave behing.

My belief in myself comes from the knowledge I have gained over my 79 years of life. I have always searched for knowledge and I have obtained a large amount, meaning I know what I know. What I don't know I do not opine on it. I am totally willing to accept being wrong when proven wrong. No one yet has "proven" me wrong. Then again, most people have not even tried as they do not provide data, statistics and facts........all they provide is opinion, of which they feel 100% about but they do not even want to open the door to anything other than they opinion.

It is as simple as that

There ya have it, it's about our opinions. One cannot "debate" opinions. I research my beliefs and opinions through the eyes of a 67 year old man who has immersed himself in everything he can.

You say you are open minded, buy the Book "Tragedy and Hope 101". It is written buy a Progressive author but is a very fair assessment why we are where we are, If you read it it will change your life.

 

[daveman]

Hey, Luckyone...you missed a post.

I must be on that fabled Ignore list. Prolly 'cause I didn't kiss his ass.

 

[westwall]

I must be on that fabled Ignore list. Prolly 'cause I didn't kiss his ass.

Yeah, me too.

 

[daveman]

Yeah, me too.

It's easy to pretend everybody agrees with you if you silence everyone who doesn't.

 

[Luckyone]

According to you, you've put more people on iggy in 4 months than I have in 12+ years. Shows how tolerant you are of opposing views.

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I love opposing view as that is what I seek. What I hate is opposing views that cannot be supported by data, statistics, and facts. To me, those are what are the basics of life and when those basics are thrown away for opinion, I throw the person away because they do not debate, they orate.

Let me ask you a simple question, which I believe you will not answer.

If you were Jewish and debating with Hamas (who wants you dead simply because of your religion), would you stick around and continue to debate with them uselessly, or ignore them and continue doing what you believe is right? Would you be "tolerant" of their one-view minds?

Answer that question and I will see if I have any desire to continue communication with you.

 

[Luckyone]

There ya have it, it's about our opinions. One cannot "debate" opinions. I research my beliefs and opinions through the eyes of a 67 year old man who has immersed himself in everything he can.

You say you are open minded, buy the Book "Tragedy and Hope 101". It is written buy a Progressive author but is a very fair assessment why we are where we are, If you read it it will change your life.

Tragedy and Hope 101: The Illusion of Justice, Freedom, and Democracy​ Joseph Plummer Brushfire Publishing., 2014 - History - 224 pages The information contained in this book contradicts nearly everything you've been led to believe about democracy and "representative government." Based on the groundbreaking research of respected historian Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope 101 reveals an unimaginably devious political system, skillfully manipulated by a handful of elite, which is undermining freedom and democracy as we know it. The goal of those who control the system, in Quigley's own words, is to dominate "all habitable portions of the world." Using deception, theft, and violence, they have achieved more toward this goal than any rulers in human history. However, the Information Age is quickly derailing their plans. The immorality of their system, and those who serve it, has become nearly impossible to hide. Awareness and resistance are growing...Tragedy is yielding to hope. I do not disagree that this is a fact as it is seen everywhere in the world and has been seen throughout the history of the world. I also agree that the "Information age" is starting to derail their plans. Nonetheless, where I believe you and I disagree is that Trump is using exactly this "information age" mentality to manipulate himself to being what has always been the elite and powerful being in charge. Since the 1990', Trump has used the media (either by agreeing with them or more so disagreeing with them) to generate a big following that has put him in charge.............where he can do what he wants with no one to stop him (which is the definition of an Elite in Power and being a dictator). He has obtained a cult type following that is blind to data, statistics and facts. He has accomplished that with his approach of being popular or extremely controversial in the media. He has said on many occasions that even bad reviews are good publicity. He has used publicity to gain his power.

 

[john doe 101]

Democrats aren't getting anywhere near power for at least 12 years or more.

Based on what,deplorable?

 

[OKTexas]

I love opposing view as that is what I seek. What I hate is opposing views that cannot be supported by data, statistics, and facts. To me, those are what are the basics of life and when those basics are thrown away for opinion, I throw the person away because they do not debate, they orate.

Let me ask you a simple question, which I believe you will not answer.

If you were Jewish and debating with Hamas (who wants you dead simply because of your religion), would you stick around and continue to debate with them uselessly, or ignore them and continue doing what you believe is right? Would you be "tolerant" of their one-view minds?

Answer that question and I will see if I have any desire to continue communication with you.

1. Statistics lie and liars use statistics.
2. I've taken on all comers here and have been called every name in the book and my iggy has zero on the list. For me, the more objectionable the better. I have never seen someone I can't learn something from. But no worries, I won't be posting in you threads again, heaven for bid I trigger you and you add another name to your iggy. ROFLMAO

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[IDIOCRACY]

The MAGA crowd gave us a clear manifesto of what needs to be done in the U.S., having chosen Trump for our next president.

The question comes up that is being asked is "do these MAGA people have enough brains, knowledge, evaluating/assessing capabilities that would make us feel comfortable that they chose wisely?

Here is one example showing some of the MAGA crowd



Having put that video up, it can be said by some that the video does not truly represent the MAGA crowd or only represents a small "cherry picked" portion of the MAGA people.

In doing some additional research, I did find an article that goes in a totally different direction but it does paint a much more informative picture of one of the things that is truly happening, and not only to the Trump supporters but to the Trump detractors. That is the idea that Trump is NOT A PERSON!

"not a person"? c'mon, Trump is a person and there is no doubt about it, right?

Well the article goes into the people's perception that Trump is God (Trumper's view) or that Trump is the Devil (anti-trumpers view). This is certainly crazy and against knowledge and beliefs (there is no God and no Satan) that are centered in reality...........but then again, it certainly fits in perfectly into what most people have been saying about Trump............he is God............he is Satan!

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Here is the article that talks about this:

Trumpism. In the minds of his most ardent supporters, the ex-president is both more and less than a person​

Americans today see two contradictory futures looming in the middle distance: In one scenario, Donald Trump is convicted of serious crimes and sent to prison. In the second, he returns to the presidency in 2025. How is it possible that a twice-impeached former president facing 91 criminal counts can now be elected to return to the Oval Office? Why do his supporters not recoil when Trump promises to unleash an authoritarian regime as president and to assume the role of dictator on Day One? What explains his enduring appeal?

It is worth noting that Murray’s (Harvard Psychologist) characterization of Satan bears an uncanny resemblance to the psychological portrait of Trump painted by many psychologists today. A malignant narcissism rages at the core of Satan’s personality. Cast out of heaven for his overmastering pride, Satan wants to be God, resents the fact that he is not God and insists that his supreme worth entitles him to privileges that nobody else should enjoy while undergirding his reign as sovereign of the mortal world below.

On the other side, Trump has often compared himself to a superhero. He has famously described himself as a “stable genius” who has never made a mistake. He is not lying when he makes these outrageous claims, for Trump truly believes them to be true, just as he believes he won the 2020 election. Trump is like a golden god in his mind and in the minds of many of his supporters: a superhero, able to do things that no other human can do; a warrior who fights furiously to win every battle, completely immersed in the moment. His very identity is the supremely heroic role he plays on TV and in real life. The role is charismatic and mesmerizing

After reading this article and having experienced everything said (great and horrible) about Trump, this ("not a person") view, seems to be reality we are actually experiencing.

Having said all of the above, what does this say about us (All Americans) that believe in the unbelievable?

One tangible thing that is very worrisome (when all is considered) is that talking about all Americans believing the unbelievable is bad enough, but when you consider that Trump himself (the elected president) believes he is God (or at least believes he was "chosen by God") comes into the equation, this is really scary scenario.

What do you think about this God or Satan idea that is being seen now?

I stopped reading at the second paragraph, where you're projecting. Left means no credibility Lucky, your posts are just another indication.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Over the past 35 years, the Democrats at no time saw their nominee or elected president as a God. The Trumpers "and" Trump himself, see him as a God.

Do you believe there is a God? if you do believe there is a God, do you believe Trump is God (or chosen by God)?

We all want to know what you believe as to the question asked (no deflection on the answer accepted).

You obviously missed Obama's Democratic National Convention when he was nominated for the first time, Lucky!

 

[Luckyone]

You obviously missed Obama's Democratic National Convention when he was nominated for the first time, Lucky!

How does that apply now. Have I been mentioning Obama in any way? Why do you feel. the need to bring his name up on this OP

Is this what you are doing?

 

[Luckyone]

I stopped reading at the second paragraph, where you're projecting. Left means no credibility Lucky, your posts are just another indication.

Once again, not addressing the OP but debasing the messenger. Why are Trumpers always doing the same thing?

 

[jc456]

Okay Mike, you too were on the edge yesterday or being placed on Ignore. Once again and in not truly addressing the OP or even trying to understand what the OP is saying (which is not that Trump is good or bad) but that MAGA people and some Democrats, believe that Trump is God or Satan. Your answer "with all due respect" quotes my defending Kamala, which in this case has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the OP. This is not about what candidate was the BEST or the WORST, it is about HOW some people used blind religious beliefs to vote. The OP is about the system used to determine who is better and who is worse and the system being shown IN THIS CASE is faulty because president are never to be chosen with the idea they are GOD or SATAN. That is not what a rational country is supposed to use to pick their leaders.

Evidently, you are in the category that Trump is God (or chosen by God) and that Kamala is Satan. I havew no interest in talking to anyone that thinks that way because that is not rational thinking. As such, you offer nothing that I can ever be interested in listening.

You are now #12 on my ignore list of people that have nothing to offer.

Bye

 

[Luckyone]

1. Statistics lie and liars use statistics.
2. I've taken on all comers here and have been called every name in the book and my iggy has zero on the list. For me, the more objectionable the better. I have never seen someone I can't learn something from. But no worries, I won't be posting in you threads again, heaven for bid I trigger you and you add another name to your iggy. ROFLMAO

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Statistics Lie? that is exactly the problem with Trumpers. They do not look at facts but they believe blindly what a liar (Trump) tells them.

Of course you have no one on iggy, given that your purpose here is to debase opposition and not to debate. Why would you ever put anyone on iggy?

You are not here to learn and gain knowledge, you are here to fight and demean.

 

[jc456]

How does that apply now. Have I been mentioning Obama in any way? Why do you feel. the need to bring his name up on this OP

Is this what you are doing?

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and no one ever heard him say anything except TDS victims.

 

[Independent thinker]

The MAGA crowd gave us a clear manifesto of what needs to be done in the U.S., having chosen Trump for our next president.

The question comes up that is being asked is "do these MAGA people have enough brains, knowledge, evaluating/assessing capabilities that would make us feel comfortable that they chose wisely?

Here is one example showing some of the MAGA crowd



Having put that video up, it can be said by some that the video does not truly represent the MAGA crowd or only represents a small "cherry picked" portion of the MAGA people.

In doing some additional research, I did find an article that goes in a totally different direction but it does paint a much more informative picture of one of the things that is truly happening, and not only to the Trump supporters but to the Trump detractors. That is the idea that Trump is NOT A PERSON!

"not a person"? c'mon, Trump is a person and there is no doubt about it, right?

Well the article goes into the people's perception that Trump is God (Trumper's view) or that Trump is the Devil (anti-trumpers view). This is certainly crazy and against knowledge and beliefs (there is no God and no Satan) that are centered in reality...........but then again, it certainly fits in perfectly into what most people have been saying about Trump............he is God............he is Satan!

View attachment 1055362

Here is the article that talks about this:

Trumpism. In the minds of his most ardent supporters, the ex-president is both more and less than a person​

Americans today see two contradictory futures looming in the middle distance: In one scenario, Donald Trump is convicted of serious crimes and sent to prison. In the second, he returns to the presidency in 2025. How is it possible that a twice-impeached former president facing 91 criminal counts can now be elected to return to the Oval Office? Why do his supporters not recoil when Trump promises to unleash an authoritarian regime as president and to assume the role of dictator on Day One? What explains his enduring appeal?

It is worth noting that Murray’s (Harvard Psychologist) characterization of Satan bears an uncanny resemblance to the psychological portrait of Trump painted by many psychologists today. A malignant narcissism rages at the core of Satan’s personality. Cast out of heaven for his overmastering pride, Satan wants to be God, resents the fact that he is not God and insists that his supreme worth entitles him to privileges that nobody else should enjoy while undergirding his reign as sovereign of the mortal world below.

On the other side, Trump has often compared himself to a superhero. He has famously described himself as a “stable genius” who has never made a mistake. He is not lying when he makes these outrageous claims, for Trump truly believes them to be true, just as he believes he won the 2020 election. Trump is like a golden god in his mind and in the minds of many of his supporters: a superhero, able to do things that no other human can do; a warrior who fights furiously to win every battle, completely immersed in the moment. His very identity is the supremely heroic role he plays on TV and in real life. The role is charismatic and mesmerizing

After reading this article and having experienced everything said (great and horrible) about Trump, this ("not a person") view, seems to be reality we are actually experiencing.

Having said all of the above, what does this say about us (All Americans) that believe in the unbelievable?

One tangible thing that is very worrisome (when all is considered) is that talking about all Americans believing the unbelievable is bad enough, but when you consider that Trump himself (the elected president) believes he is God (or at least believes he was "chosen by God") comes into the equation, this is really scary scenario.

What do you think about this God or Satan idea that is being seen now?

So, if you believe that, what is your plan to win elections from now on?

 

[MisterBeale]

Over the past 35 years, the Democrats at no time saw their nominee or elected president as a God. The Trumpers "and" Trump himself, see him as a God.

Do you believe there is a God? if you do believe there is a God, do you believe Trump is God (or chosen by God)?

We all want to know what you believe as to the question asked (no deflection on the answer accepted).

When you are down so low to the point, that you are claiming you know how others think and feel?


You have lost your ever loving mind TBH