Trump is betraying "MAGA!" & "America First!"

[Mac1958]

Not all MAGA are like this. Most of us now are disliking 90% of what Trump is doing and has done. And more importantly, we're purging the Trump loyalist from MAGA. And they're not happy about it.

Maybe they'll start using something new.

It may be too late, but this thing badly needs to be cleaned up, and it starts from the top.

I have many agreements in principle, but the way this is being carried out is catastrophic. Right now, it's as if Trump and MAGA are literally trying to hand things to the hardcore Left.

This has never been about the issues for me. This is about who we are as a country, as a people. And MAGA is a horrible, ignorant, paranoid, malignant, juvenile, unstable representation.

You have your work cut out for you.

 

[YoursTruly]

Sure you are

We're trying..... And they're trying to hold on. But they're grasping for straws at this point.
I was told by a die hard Trump supporter on another forum, "To hell with MAGA. You traitors!! We don't need you." <<< Exact quote. And he had a few "thanks" by some other loyalist.

They can't stand this picture.

 

[Alweysrite!]

We're trying..... And they're trying to hold on. But they're grasping for straws at this point.
I was told by a die hard Trump supporter on another forum, "To hell with MAGA. You traitors!! We don't need you." <<< Exact quote. And he had a few "thanks" by some other loyalist.

They can't stand this picture.

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I don't even know who that is but thanks

 

[YoursTruly]

I don't even know who that is but thanks

It's Rep. Thomas Massie. He is what Trump said he was going to be. But has a voting record to back it up.

 

[Alweysrite!]

It's Rep. Thomas Massie. He is what Trump said he was going to be. But has a voting record to back it up.

Don't know anything about him.

 

[Dante]

Topic: "Trump is betraying 'MAGA!' & "America First!""​

Nice use of bold and font size.

Contrary to what you seem to think, however, neither the font size nor the bolding help your argument, at all.

And reality doesn’t assisted it, either.

It's Trump's m.o.

 

[BackAgain]

I could say the same for X-tians.

But not for your Islamofascist pals, eh?

 

[BackAgain]

All that, and you still didn't refute anything.

Nothing substantive to refute.

Even a schmuck like you has to comprehend the difference between an opinion and any statement of alleged facts.

Stop being such a constant troll.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

But not for your Islamofascist pals, eh?

I would say the same for Muslims.

 

[YoursTruly]

Nothing substantive to refute.

Even a schmuck like you has to comprehend the difference between an opinion and any statement of alleged facts.

Stop being such a constant troll.

I'm not being a troll. I'm simply calling out your obvious hypocrisy.

You've spent more time saying he's wrong, than you would have had you proved it.

 

[BackAgain]

I would say the same for Muslims.

Sure.

Sure.

 

[BackAgain]

I'm not being a troll. I'm simply calling out your obvious hypocrisy.

You've spent more time saying he's wrong, than you would have had you proved it.

No. You’re just whining and blubbering.

One of your dopey pals shared an ignorant opinion. Then, you act surprised when people dismiss it and that posting pal of yours.

Your dishonest attempt to call me out is still just predicated on your laughably mistaken assumption that anything of substance was said in the first place.

It still ain’t true.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Sure.

Sure.

I believe religion poisons everything, worm.

 

[YoursTruly]

Right now, it's as if Trump and MAGA are literally trying to hand things to the hardcore Left.

MAGA isn't. This is Trumps doing. A LOT of MAGA are rejecting Trump now. And trying to purge the Trump loyalist from MAGA.

Don't confuse MAGA with Trump loyalist. 1 year ago, they were synonymous. But since Trump has started flip flopping, things are changing.

You're right. Trump and his loyalist (especially those in congress) are helping the left in the upcoming election. If that happens, the next two years is going to be a repeat of 2019-2020.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

A LOT of MAGA are rejecting Trump now.

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Lie.






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[BackAgain]

I believe religion poisons everything, worm.

Nobody gives a rat’s ass about your shallow thinking, ya scumbag.

Start a thread and bloviate there.

 

[Delldude]

FISA,... Is just "Th' Icing on that Cake",..... Call it "Big Brother", or if that makes You "Un-comfortable" ,.... Call it "The United Stat6es Government",... Either way, ever since 9-11/ & The passage of those Federal Laws, as well as their being added to & supplemented,..."Big Brother" has been monitoring All Electronic communications entering/ leaving, & being carried out in America.

Dude....not to piss in your Wheaties but FISA isn't anything new.

Never heard of Eschelon from the 70's?

But wait, there's more:

Other Eavesdropping and Surveillance Programs

In addition to ECHELON, various surveillance initiatives operate globally:

• STATEROOM: A highly secret signals intelligence program operated out of diplomatic missions (embassies and consulates) in at least 100 countries, managed by the CIA and NSA.
• MAINWAY (NSA): An NSA database that stores metadata for hundreds of billions of phone calls, particularly from major U.S. carriers.
• FAIRVIEW (NSA): A mass surveillance program targeting foreign mobile phone users.
• DCSNet (FBI): A surveillance system used by the FBI for instantaneous wiretapping of telecommunication devices within the U.S..
• ICREACH: A, surveillance search engine used by the CIA, DEA, and FBI to search illegally collected personal records.
• Magic Lantern (FBI): A trojan horse software (keystroke logger) activated via email attachment to decrypt user communications.
• Main Core: A, database containing, personal and financial data on millions of Americans suspected of posing threats to national security.

These systems reflect a broader, interconnected surveillance infrastructure, often termed the "global eavesdropping" network, which continues to evolve with modern technology.
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ESCHELON

What's its history?

The US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand created Echelon as part of an Anglo-Saxon club, set up by secret treaty in 1947. The five countries divided up the world to share the product of global eavesdropping.

During the cold war, Echelon's attentions were focused on military and diplomatic communications. But increasingly sophisticated computers mean Echelon can monitor industrial targets and private individuals.

How does it work?

The Echelon operation is based at Fort Meade in Maryland, America, and at GCHQ in Cheltenham. Agencies from the five countries exchange intercepted transmissions, using supercomputers to flag up any messages containing key words listed in the so-called Echelon 'dictionaries'. These transmissions are recorded and transcribed for future analysis.

The Echelon spy network

Euro MPs today published a report into the shadowy Anglo-American intelligence operation known as Echelon. The US government denies Echelon exists. Jane Perrone explains what it is.

www.theguardian.com

 

[Delldude]

"The Domestic Emoluments Clause, outlined in Article II, specifically targets the Presidency. This clause stipulates that the President shall not receive any emolument besides his fixed salary from either the federal government or any state. Such legal stringency ensures that the Nation's highest office remains impervious to potentially corrupting domestic influences that may attempt to sway presidential actions.

Duh....

 

[YoursTruly]

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Lie.






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No, it's not a lie. Trump loyalist don't want to admit it because it was their thing. They started it. It only gained traction because things that Trump campaigned on were very much needed. And they're still needed today.

But that's not the direction Trump is headed. And so much of MAGA still wants what MAGA first expected. We just don't want those who are trying to lead it in an opposite direction. Trump is the one doing it.

Wars. High gas prices. More socialism. The very thing we voted against.

 

[YoursTruly]

Dude....not to piss in your Wheaties but FISA isn't anything new.

Never heard of Eschelon from the 70's?

But wait, there's more:

Other Eavesdropping and Surveillance Programs

In addition to ECHELON, various surveillance initiatives operate globally:

• STATEROOM: A highly secret signals intelligence program operated out of diplomatic missions (embassies and consulates) in at least 100 countries, managed by the CIA and NSA.
• MAINWAY (NSA): An NSA database that stores metadata for hundreds of billions of phone calls, particularly from major U.S. carriers.
• FAIRVIEW (NSA): A mass surveillance program targeting foreign mobile phone users.
• DCSNet (FBI): A surveillance system used by the FBI for instantaneous wiretapping of telecommunication devices within the U.S..
• ICREACH: A, surveillance search engine used by the CIA, DEA, and FBI to search illegally collected personal records.
• Magic Lantern (FBI): A trojan horse software (keystroke logger) activated via email attachment to decrypt user communications.
• Main Core: A, database containing, personal and financial data on millions of Americans suspected of posing threats to national security.

These systems reflect a broader, interconnected surveillance infrastructure, often termed the "global eavesdropping" network, which continues to evolve with modern technology.
__________________

ESCHELON

What's its history?

The US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand created Echelon as part of an Anglo-Saxon club, set up by secret treaty in 1947. The five countries divided up the world to share the product of global eavesdropping.

During the cold war, Echelon's attentions were focused on military and diplomatic communications. But increasingly sophisticated computers mean Echelon can monitor industrial targets and private individuals.

How does it work?

The Echelon operation is based at Fort Meade in Maryland, America, and at GCHQ in Cheltenham. Agencies from the five countries exchange intercepted transmissions, using supercomputers to flag up any messages containing key words listed in the so-called Echelon 'dictionaries'. These transmissions are recorded and transcribed for future analysis.

The Echelon spy network

Euro MPs today published a report into the shadowy Anglo-American intelligence operation known as Echelon. The US government denies Echelon exists. Jane Perrone explains what it is.

www.theguardian.com

The constitution isn't a new thing either.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.