Blues Man
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So then he should not make any cakes for anyone who is a sinner which means he should not make cakes for anyone.So other Christians don't consider marriage a sacrament?I have.Civil marriages because they aren't done with any mention of gods aren't seen as a sacrament by any Christian church therefore they are not valid in the eyes of the church.Your pure as snow baker would bake a wedding cake for a hetero couple married by a JP even though the the church doesn't recognize those marriages therefore that couple is living in sin. So that would be a cake to "celebrate" sin.And I bet your devout sinless baker is happy to make wedding cakes for people who don't get married by a priest in a church even though that's "celebrating sin"That's such crap.And so what?So it's wrong to and a sign but not wrong to deny service because a person is gay?It's a perfectly valid example.Such bullYou said people should not go to stores with Christian owners how is anyone supposed to know if the owners of a store are Christian until after they illustrate their bigotry?And how is anyone to know if the owners of a store are Christian or not?Gay Americans are appropriately defending themselves against discrimination in public accommodations by the bigoted, hateful Christian right; that gay Americans are still being subject to such discrimination in 2021 is reprehensible.I cannot believe that in 2021 gay people and their allies are still WHINING about Christians not baking them a cake.
If gay Americans purposely go into a shop owned by a Christian, when other shops are available, they are being whining babies. Full stop.
Gays have been hounding the owner of that bakery in Colorado for years now. Out of spite. Jerk moves out of jerk people.
And I have no doubt that Christians would sue any store owner who refused them service because they were Christian
Just another example of religious hypocrisy
I don't think that, in America, you should be forced to create something just because you hang a sign "Open for Business" outside your window. I believe I have been clear in the past that I feel this goes all ways. I don't believe we have to be eggheads about this. There is a clear difference between a business owner who won't serve Black people, say, and a Christian business owner who won't bake cakes for gay weddings, but will bake cakes for gay PEOPLE for birthdays, retirements, etc. Or, GAY BAKERS who will serve Christian PEOPLE but won't bake a cake with verses from Leviticus on it.
I do not believe simply opening a business means you are in indentured servitude to create whatever for whomever, because they say so. That's freedom. It goes absolutely both ways. So to the gay people marching in, one after another to the Christian baker to just "make him do it", I say, take your last stand somewhere else; you're just being jerks. I would say the same to fellow Christians trying to force gay bakers to write Bible verses on a cake.
If a shop owner hung a sign that said "NO CHRISTIANS ALLOWED" all you Christians would be dragging his ass to court
I don't like dealing with false equivalencies and you're smart enough to spot this one. So stop. Don't waste my time.
Tell me why would a "Christian " baker want to bake a cake for a murderer or an adulterer but not for a couple people who never hurt anyone?
I'm going to say this one more time, just one more.
If a Christian has a sign or makes known "I don't serve GAYS" that's wrong. Did I not make this clear in my last post about Blacks? Okay now I will. Just like if a gay baker has a sign that say "I don't serve CHRISTIANS".
If a murderer comes in and says I need cupcakes for a birthday party, what's the harm? How is any baker going to know? They wouldn't. If a murderer comes in and says "I want a cake that says 'I am going to kill my wife'" I hope NO ONE would make him that cake. See?
It's not the person, it's the message or the event. For everyone. And again that goes all ways.
Yeah that makes a lot of sense.
And it is the person. Because if a gay couple wanted a wedding cake to eat at home by themselves that bigot Christian still wouldn't bake it for them
Do not insult me or yourself with "wedding cake to eat at home by themselves"
Lots of people have weddings at home.
My wife and I did I don't have any family and my wife only has one sister.
I don't eat cake so we didn't have one.
But even that excuse that it's not the gay people it's the wedding is an insult to every reasonable person's intelligence
Then it's still a wedding cake. Point stands
What if it was a civil service which Christian Churches don't recognize anyway?
Why would some Christian baker bake a cake for two hetero people who would not be married by the church and therefore be living in sin according to their church?
But we know that sin is OK with the baker right?
Why are you into forcing free Americans into violating their conscience just because they have an "open for business" sign on their door? I am not. Remember: I am not for ANY one. I am not for gay people who are asked by Christians to bake a cake that has Bible verses on it. Or for Blacks who are asked to bake a cake for a Klu Klux Klan event.
Opening a business in America does not rope you into indentured servitude. Period.
ETA: to be more specific to your question: it's not that a gay marriage is a worse than other sins; it's that the very event makes the sin OBVIOUS. I would hope the same baker would refuse to make a cake that says "I'm going to kill my wife" or even a Divorce Party Cake.
This is not so difficult.
It's only the gay sin that these so called Christians care about. They don't give a shit about any other sin ans will happily make a cake for adulterers, rapists, murderers and thieves.
It's pure hypocrisy
What does a gay marriage celebrate? Isn't that obvious?
You think a Christian would make a cake that says "I'm going to kill my wife"? Or "Happy Divorce Party"?
Maybe you can just admit YOUR bias against Christians and be done with it
No it's not. It's a correction of sin. What on earth are you talking about?
What church doesn't recognize that marriage? What are you talking about?
It's the same thing they think about gay marriages
So you are saying that all the people who are in churches now, who are married, who were married before they were Christians....all of them had to be re-married by the Christian church if they had "civil marriages" because the church does not consider their marriages valid?
WOW. That's amazing. And to think no one has ever heard of this.
My wife was raised Catholic and we didn't get married by the church and her priest said that they don't recognize our marriage.
That's only Catholics you know. Because they consider marriage a sacrament and they want control over all of them. That's ONLY Catholics; the rest of Christendom does not consider everyone else's marriage a sin.
If that's true then why is this Baker you're always talking about worried about gay marriage?
Maybe, I don't know. It's just not a big fat deal in churches that are not Catholic. Catholic churches are rather like clubs with levels and rules you have to follow to be at this level to be able to do this.
He is not willing to create the cake using his God-given talents to endorse an event that he feels is rooted in sin. In America he should have that freedom. Put another way. If you were a songwriter-for-hire, maybe you wouldn't want to write a song about how wonderful these verses in Leviticus are. According to this law you uphold, "non-discrimination", you might have to. Because you can't discriminate against religion.