The founders meant to keep government out of the church not vice versa

[Mortimer]

Great read

The Founders Meant to Keep Government Out of the Church, Not God Out of the Government

The 4th of July makes us think of our independence and freedoms. But when our Founders came up with the First Amendment, were they trying to keep government free from religion? Or religion free from government?

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[occupied]

Negative. They saw the power the Church of England had in all secular policy matters and rejected churches of any kind having a place at the table. It's just too easy for unelected religious authorities to blackmail policy makers into making sin illegal or church observances compulsory.

 

[LittleNipper]

Negative. They saw the power the Church of England had in all secular policy matters and rejected churches of any kind having a place at the table. It's just too easy for unelected religious authorities to blackmail policy makers into making sin illegal or church observances compulsory.

Church policies like, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not murder, Thou shalt not rape, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself...

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Negative. They saw the power the Church of England had in all secular policy matters and rejected churches of any kind having a place at the table. It's just too easy for unelected religious authorities to blackmail policy makers into making sin illegal or church observances compulsory.

Sort of just like what the leftist propagandist are doing today.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Negative. They saw the power the Church of England had in all secular policy matters and rejected churches of any kind having a place at the table. It's just too easy for unelected religious authorities to blackmail policy makers into making sin illegal or church observances compulsory.

Churches? Yes. Churches as entities have no authority whatsoever.

Individual believers? No. They have full rights as citizens to petition the government and influence policy as they choose.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The founders meant to keep government out of the church not vice versa

Wrong.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…”

The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment is intended to keep church out of government, as originally mandated by the Framers.

Seeking to conjoin church and state is indeed un-Constitutional.

 

[badger2]

OP, what is that curious xian statement doing below your puss? You’ve got the correct Jeffersonian approach, then you blow it with statements such as that, not unlike a blm baboon’s racist statement, ‘black lives matter.’

 

[danielpalos]

Buyers also have a First Amendment not just sellers.

And,

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

Also, the Laity is just that. They should go get laid not try to be Religious authorities without any (Sacred) Orders.

 

[ding]

The founders meant to keep government out of the church not vice versa

Wrong.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…”

The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment is intended to keep church out of government, as originally mandated by the Framers.

Seeking to conjoin church and state is indeed un-Constitutional.

How many times do I have to tell you the intent was to prevent federal government from interfering with state established religions of which half of the states had at the time the constitution was ratified?

 

[whoisit]

Mark 12:15,
Paying Taxes to Caesar
…16So they brought it, and He asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?” “Caesar’s,” they answered. 17Then Jesus told them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.” And they marveled at Him. 18Then the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to Jesus and questioned Him:…
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[whoisit]

Seperation of church and state was good idea considering the first masscre done over rligion ,the Hurgonauts we slaghtered by the Catholics in Florida,and the Crusdera and Inquesition were bloody too.

1565: The Massacre Of The Huguenots By The Spanish In Florida

The early history of Florida, was a time of turmoil, as the race to establish colonies in the New World began to take place. Coinciding with the religious

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The early history of Florida, was a time of turmoil, as the race to establish colonies in the New World began to take place. Coinciding with the religious wars of by the Catholic Church that were taking place in Europe, the scene was set for religious conflict and bloodshed. However, it was far from the shores of Europe, in the unlikely destination of St. Augustine, Florida, that one of the most brutal massacres of the time took place. In fact, Fort Matanzas, just south of St. Augustine, earned its name from the killings that took place here, as ‘Mantanzas’, translates to ‘Slaughter’ from Spanish.

To truly understand the history surrounding the massacre of the Huguenot by the Spanish in Florida, it’s important

 

[Lysistrata]

The "Founders" were wise in prohibiting the establishment of religion, which works both ways. This is principle is even more important now, that we have an even more diverse population of all religions and many who don't practice a religion, since all share the same goverment.

Speaking of Christianity only, there never was a "THE church." There were several Christian groups that disagreed with each other from ancient times and before Constantine. Then there was the Great Schism of 1054 C.E., in which the Catholic Church split in two, the eastern and western divisions, over issues that dated back at least to Charlemagne. Afterward, the western church splintered into various denominations, a process that has continued to the present day. So there never can be a "THE church," only churches.

 

[whoisit]

Forgot when this frieze was placed on the walls in the supreme court,but it looks like something the Romans may have on on their walls. We honored many gods and goddesses.We had Mohammad with a sword in one hqnd and the Quran in the other on the west wall I think it was.Anyway it is interesting.

Supreme Court won't change Mohammed sculpture

WASHINGTON (AP) _ A sculpture of the Muslim prophet Mohammed has looked down from the marble frieze in the Supreme Court's chamber since the building opened in 1935. Now a Muslim group wants it removed on grounds it is offensive to members of the religion. But Chief Justice William H...

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[toobfreak]

The founders meant to keep government out of the church not vice versa

The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment is intended to keep church out of government, as originally mandated by the Framers.

Just where did the Framers ever say that in writing? Because I've never seen it and it looks like they utterly failed, because God and religion are replete throughout government SINCE DAY ONE, it is in our money, our buildings, the design of DC, even in our proceedings.

The Founders never intended that government itself be secure, only that government should stay out of other people's faith. Better learn that right now.

 

[justinacolmena]

there never can be a "THE church," only churches.

There is one church, and can only be one church, namely that of all true believers, without respect to to any earthly organization or hierarchy of it.

The faithfulness of true believers is what is needed in government, not the hierarchy or organization of a papacy.

That every child, unborn as well as newborn, would be accorded the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, treated as the Christ child — that we should be joint heirs with Christ, according to the Bible, not murdered or mutilated to satiate the lusts of men for the carnage of human flesh and blood.