Zone1 Are these two great contradictions of the Catholic Faith

[Meriweather]

That was a Jewish custom, not Christian. In fact, Jesus raised ALL of His followers to a royal priesthood. The apostles didn't wear the robes or the hats or burn candles or wave around incense burners. They were ordinary people who did not seek to set themselves apart from everyone else in their clothing or ceremonial actions.

Christianity and Christ's life and teachings are rooted in Judaism.

 

[Meriweather]

If the incantation is only valid in one language, it's not universal. Would it be valid for a priest to give it in English, or would the congregants reject it as false?

Why do you think prayer is valid in one language? The Catholic Mass is said in all languages.

 

[hadit]

Christianity and Christ's life and teachings are rooted in Judaism.

Of course, and Jesus came to fulfill the Law, not abolish it. I find it convenient, however, that the church pulls wardrobe requirements from Mosaic Law while ignoring the other requirements for the priestly class found therein. Jesus didn't establish a priestly class as found in the Mosaic Law, He elevated all of His followers to a royal priesthood. If we're going to dress our priests in such robes, ALL Christians should be wearing them, and if we're going to follow Mosaic Law for wardrobe considerations, ALL Christians are also going to stop shaving and wear only one type of thread in their clothes as well as never again eating pork and shellfish. This is the problem with picking and choosing which bits of the Mosaic Law you're going to follow and which you're going to ignore.

 

[hadit]

Why do you think prayer is valid in one language? The Catholic Mass is said in all languages.

Is the transubstantiation incantation done only in one language or is the priest allowed to conduct it in any language his congregants speak and understand? Would you know you were taking consecrated items if it was done in English, or would you think it somehow not as valid?

 

[hadit]

Where in the Bible does it say only the Bible can be used for religious knowledge?

Sola scriptura theology is nowhere to be found in the Bible.

Authority comes from the church first and foremost. Jesus gave the keys to the kingdom to Peter, not the scriptures.

There's a reason that certain writings were considered God ordained Scripture and others were not.

 

[Meriweather]

Of course, and Jesus came to fulfill the Law, not abolish it. I find it convenient, however, that the church pulls wardrobe requirements from Mosaic Law while ignoring the other requirements for the priestly class found therein. Jesus didn't establish a priestly class as found in the Mosaic Law, He elevated all of His followers to a royal priesthood. If we're going to dress our priests in such robes, ALL Christians should be wearing them, and if we're going to follow Mosaic Law for wardrobe considerations, ALL Christians are also going to stop shaving and wear only one type of thread in their clothes as well as never again eating pork and shellfish. This is the problem with picking and choosing which bits of the Mosaic Law you're going to follow and which you're going to ignore.

Jesus also ordained a special priesthood in special service to all priests. Note that priestly robes, whether today or in Biblical times, were worn by certain people only at certain times. If you want to dress in priestly robes, I very much doubt anyone would care to stop you. For Catholics, the robes and their colors are symbolic of Christ and particular moments in the life he lived. As you are not Catholic, they should not be any bother to you.

As far as other Jewish customs...if they didn't have a place in Christ's life, they ceased to be significant to Catholics. If they are significant to you, then take part in them.

 

[Meriweather]

Is the transubstantiation incantation done only in one language or is the priest allowed to conduct it in any language his congregants speak and understand? Would you know you were taking consecrated items if it was done in English, or would you think it somehow not as valid?

Priests say the Mass in the common language of the congregation. In the area in which I live, some Masses are said in Spanish; there is at least one that is said in Latin. Most are said in English. There is no change in language during the Consecration. The Spanish Mass says it Spanish; the English Mass says it in English; the Latin Mass says it in Latin. I know this as I've been to all three.

 

[Zebra]

He fed the '5000' with fish and bread.
I was approached once by a man who asked for a handout as he hadn't eaten that day. He looked hungover to me, so I took him to nearby cafe and bought him a meal. After the meal I gave him a few dollars and told him to "have a couple of beers on me", which is what he wanted in the first place.

That was good of you!

 

[Woodznutz]

That was good of you!

No one should drink on an empty stomach.

 

[Woodznutz]

Hello Friends

is there anyone who would be interested or knowledgeable or even someone such as myself seeking knowledge concerning the faith and claims of our Catholic friends.


Catechism Of The Catholic Church

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: ” Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its " procreative " and unitive purposes


The Catholic Church teaches that condoms - birth control, and any means of avoiding or deviating away from the fertizilating the egg with the sperm while having intercourse - is unholy, - sexual intercourse cannot be just for enjoyment with your wife or husband


Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its " procreation " fertilization , to furthering the DNA - GENETICS to be passed down through a conception ...

II. The Vocation to Chastity # 2351
Part Three Section Two The Ten Commandments Chapter Two You Shall Love Your Neighbor As Yourself Article 6 The Sixth Commandment II. The Vocation To Chastity


Furthermore

Roman Catholic Father - St. Augustine, demands that “ Sexual desire a significant role in original sin's transmission, - sexual intercourse is the daughter of sin, is also the mother of sin ... LUST - Lust becomes causally involved in the transmission of original sin ...

Sexual lust thereby becomes not merely a symbol of carnal concupiscence, but its cause.

this is basic foundation of all Catholic Teaching regarding sex and Original Sin


The Reality is that the Catholic Church demands that because Jesus was not born with sexual intercourse by an earthly Father, he was completely free from Original sin, the Roman Catholic believes that original sin is CAUSE AND EFFECT and by the literal sex act - by having a sexual interaction - a man and woman having romantic relations, this is what has literally CAUSED ALL to be born with original sin - the sex act itself causes the sin - sex is sinful but tolerated by God


THIS IS WHY MARY'S VIRGINITY IS SO IMPORTANT TO ROMAN CATHOLICS

BECAUSE - Mary was PURE - HOLY , SEXUALLY PERFECT - - - Mary was guarding her virginity - abstaining from having sex - Mary was righteous - Holy Virgin -

the Roman Catholic believes that Jesus is FREE of Original sin because he was not born from sperm and egg conception with an earthly father. But this is contradicted by the fact that both Adam and Eve were born without the sex act,


both Adam and Eve were born without a human father or an earthly mother - yet this Immaculate Creation of Adam and Eve - this did not help them or prevent them from committing sin, this did nothing for them even though they were not born nor created from a sexual act.


Adam and Eve even lived at a time where purity was at its most powerful and potent form and they both existed as the very best potential and perfect example possible, purity was at the strongest and most powerful and purest form that has ever existed for human kind


And still their decision and temptation and weakness to commit immoral acts, to sin, to defile their bodies and disobey God’ s commandment was not prevented - by the state and the situation , the status , and circumstance and condition “ Immaculately Created “ they were not even born from human mother nor father nor created by any sexual relations - __


Do Catholics deny that Jesus had “ FREE WILL “ ?

Was the Roman Catholic Jesus free from all temptation and someone who did not have “ FREE WILL “ ?

is this what Catholics seem to suggest. ?

In conclusion, another great contradiction is the following Roman Catholic Catechism teaching



Catechism of the Catholic Church - Second Edition - # 404
""_ The transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. _""

but is this not simply an untruthful contradiction, there are 66 total books of the bible that clearly explain what original sin means

these scriptures explain in complete detail the understanding of Original Sin. The Bible fully explains what caused Original SIn and the result and effect and the solution that God has provided to remedy the original sin.


How can Roman Catholics resolve and explain these 2 great contradictions ?

For Roman Catholics to demand that being created without the sex act prevents someone from committing sin - and removes the choice, and Free Will and also Temptation ........

Why do Catholics deny that Jesus was faced with the challenge of “ FREE WILL “ and temptation, and was tempted in all the ways that all humans are, just as Adam and Eve but Jesus overcame his own will , denied himself and submitted to the will of God. ?


For Roman Catholics to demand that -- The transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand

Why do Catholics deny that God has fully explained the cause and effect of the curse of Original Sin and has also provided the clear remedy. ?

Well, Sarah didn't just 'hunker down and get pregnant with Isaac', she took "pleasure" in the process. (God made that little organ for the gals.) God gives more honor to our "less comely parts". Hallelujah!

 

[ding]

Hello Friends

is there anyone who would be interested or knowledgeable or even someone such as myself seeking knowledge concerning the faith and claims of our Catholic friends.


Catechism Of The Catholic Church

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: ” Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its " procreative " and unitive purposes


The Catholic Church teaches that condoms - birth control, and any means of avoiding or deviating away from the fertizilating the egg with the sperm while having intercourse - is unholy, - sexual intercourse cannot be just for enjoyment with your wife or husband


Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its " procreation " fertilization , to furthering the DNA - GENETICS to be passed down through a conception ...

II. The Vocation to Chastity # 2351
Part Three Section Two The Ten Commandments Chapter Two You Shall Love Your Neighbor As Yourself Article 6 The Sixth Commandment II. The Vocation To Chastity


Furthermore

Roman Catholic Father - St. Augustine, demands that “ Sexual desire a significant role in original sin's transmission, - sexual intercourse is the daughter of sin, is also the mother of sin ... LUST - Lust becomes causally involved in the transmission of original sin ...

Sexual lust thereby becomes not merely a symbol of carnal concupiscence, but its cause.

this is basic foundation of all Catholic Teaching regarding sex and Original Sin


The Reality is that the Catholic Church demands that because Jesus was not born with sexual intercourse by an earthly Father, he was completely free from Original sin, the Roman Catholic believes that original sin is CAUSE AND EFFECT and by the literal sex act - by having a sexual interaction - a man and woman having romantic relations, this is what has literally CAUSED ALL to be born with original sin - the sex act itself causes the sin - sex is sinful but tolerated by God


THIS IS WHY MARY'S VIRGINITY IS SO IMPORTANT TO ROMAN CATHOLICS

BECAUSE - Mary was PURE - HOLY , SEXUALLY PERFECT - - - Mary was guarding her virginity - abstaining from having sex - Mary was righteous - Holy Virgin -

the Roman Catholic believes that Jesus is FREE of Original sin because he was not born from sperm and egg conception with an earthly father. But this is contradicted by the fact that both Adam and Eve were born without the sex act,


both Adam and Eve were born without a human father or an earthly mother - yet this Immaculate Creation of Adam and Eve - this did not help them or prevent them from committing sin, this did nothing for them even though they were not born nor created from a sexual act.


Adam and Eve even lived at a time where purity was at its most powerful and potent form and they both existed as the very best potential and perfect example possible, purity was at the strongest and most powerful and purest form that has ever existed for human kind


And still their decision and temptation and weakness to commit immoral acts, to sin, to defile their bodies and disobey God’ s commandment was not prevented - by the state and the situation , the status , and circumstance and condition “ Immaculately Created “ they were not even born from human mother nor father nor created by any sexual relations - __


Do Catholics deny that Jesus had “ FREE WILL “ ?

Was the Roman Catholic Jesus free from all temptation and someone who did not have “ FREE WILL “ ?

is this what Catholics seem to suggest. ?

In conclusion, another great contradiction is the following Roman Catholic Catechism teaching



Catechism of the Catholic Church - Second Edition - # 404
""_ The transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. _""

but is this not simply an untruthful contradiction, there are 66 total books of the bible that clearly explain what original sin means

these scriptures explain in complete detail the understanding of Original Sin. The Bible fully explains what caused Original SIn and the result and effect and the solution that God has provided to remedy the original sin.


How can Roman Catholics resolve and explain these 2 great contradictions ?

For Roman Catholics to demand that being created without the sex act prevents someone from committing sin - and removes the choice, and Free Will and also Temptation ........

Why do Catholics deny that Jesus was faced with the challenge of “ FREE WILL “ and temptation, and was tempted in all the ways that all humans are, just as Adam and Eve but Jesus overcame his own will , denied himself and submitted to the will of God. ?


For Roman Catholics to demand that -- The transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand

Why do Catholics deny that God has fully explained the cause and effect of the curse of Original Sin and has also provided the clear remedy. ?

That’s a lot to unpack.