Zone1 Are these two great contradictions of the Catholic Faith

[Leo Sails]

Hello Friends

is there anyone who would be interested or knowledgeable or even someone such as myself seeking knowledge concerning the faith and claims of our Catholic friends.


Catechism Of The Catholic Church

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: ” Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its " procreative " and unitive purposes


The Catholic Church teaches that condoms - birth control, and any means of avoiding or deviating away from the fertizilating the egg with the sperm while having intercourse - is unholy, - sexual intercourse cannot be just for enjoyment with your wife or husband


Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its " procreation " fertilization , to furthering the DNA - GENETICS to be passed down through a conception ...

II. The Vocation to Chastity # 2351
Part Three Section Two The Ten Commandments Chapter Two You Shall Love Your Neighbor As Yourself Article 6 The Sixth Commandment II. The Vocation To Chastity


Furthermore

Roman Catholic Father - St. Augustine, demands that “ Sexual desire a significant role in original sin's transmission, - sexual intercourse is the daughter of sin, is also the mother of sin ... LUST - Lust becomes causally involved in the transmission of original sin ...

Sexual lust thereby becomes not merely a symbol of carnal concupiscence, but its cause.

this is basic foundation of all Catholic Teaching regarding sex and Original Sin


The Reality is that the Catholic Church demands that because Jesus was not born with sexual intercourse by an earthly Father, he was completely free from Original sin, the Roman Catholic believes that original sin is CAUSE AND EFFECT and by the literal sex act - by having a sexual interaction - a man and woman having romantic relations, this is what has literally CAUSED ALL to be born with original sin - the sex act itself causes the sin - sex is sinful but tolerated by God


THIS IS WHY MARY'S VIRGINITY IS SO IMPORTANT TO ROMAN CATHOLICS

BECAUSE - Mary was PURE - HOLY , SEXUALLY PERFECT - - - Mary was guarding her virginity - abstaining from having sex - Mary was righteous - Holy Virgin -

the Roman Catholic believes that Jesus is FREE of Original sin because he was not born from sperm and egg conception with an earthly father. But this is contradicted by the fact that both Adam and Eve were born without the sex act,


both Adam and Eve were born without a human father or an earthly mother - yet this Immaculate Creation of Adam and Eve - this did not help them or prevent them from committing sin, this did nothing for them even though they were not born nor created from a sexual act.


Adam and Eve even lived at a time where purity was at its most powerful and potent form and they both existed as the very best potential and perfect example possible, purity was at the strongest and most powerful and purest form that has ever existed for human kind


And still their decision and temptation and weakness to commit immoral acts, to sin, to defile their bodies and disobey God’ s commandment was not prevented - by the state and the situation , the status , and circumstance and condition “ Immaculately Created “ they were not even born from human mother nor father nor created by any sexual relations - __


Do Catholics deny that Jesus had “ FREE WILL “ ?

Was the Roman Catholic Jesus free from all temptation and someone who did not have “ FREE WILL “ ?

is this what Catholics seem to suggest. ?

In conclusion, another great contradiction is the following Roman Catholic Catechism teaching



Catechism of the Catholic Church - Second Edition - # 404
""_ The transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. _""

but is this not simply an untruthful contradiction, there are 66 total books of the bible that clearly explain what original sin means

these scriptures explain in complete detail the understanding of Original Sin. The Bible fully explains what caused Original SIn and the result and effect and the solution that God has provided to remedy the original sin.


How can Roman Catholics resolve and explain these 2 great contradictions ?

For Roman Catholics to demand that being created without the sex act prevents someone from committing sin - and removes the choice, and Free Will and also Temptation ........

Why do Catholics deny that Jesus was faced with the challenge of “ FREE WILL “ and temptation, and was tempted in all the ways that all humans are, just as Adam and Eve but Jesus overcame his own will , denied himself and submitted to the will of God. ?


For Roman Catholics to demand that -- The transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand

Why do Catholics deny that God has fully explained the cause and effect of the curse of Original Sin and has also provided the clear remedy. ?

 

[theHawk]

the Roman Catholic believes that Jesus is FREE of Original sin because he was not born from sperm and egg conception with an earthly father. But this is contradicted by the fact that both Adam and Eve were born without the sex act,


both Adam and Eve were born without a human father or an earthly mother - yet this Immaculate Creation of Adam and Eve - this did not help them or prevent them from committing sin, this did nothing for them even though they were not born nor created from a sexual act

There is no contradiction. They(Adam and Eve) did not have Original Sin.

No one claimed that creatures without Original Sin could not still choose to sin and rebel against God. Lucifer and the fallen angels sinned against God as well.

 

[theHawk]

THIS IS WHY MARY'S VIRGINITY IS SO IMPORTANT TO ROMAN CATHOLICS

BECAUSE - Mary was PURE - HOLY , SEXUALLY PERFECT - - - Mary was guarding her virginity - abstaining from having sex - Mary was righteous - Holy Virgin -

the Roman Catholic believes that Jesus is FREE of Original sin because he was not born from sperm and egg conception with an earthly father. But this is contradicted by the fact that both Adam and Eve were born without the sex act

You seem to be misinformed.
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She was born of her father and mother through normal conception, but God lifted the curse of Original Sin, she was conceived in a miraculous manner, she herself was free of Original Sin. She also lived her whole natural life free of any other sin

 

[forkintheroad7]

Hello Friends

is there anyone who would be interested or knowledgeable or even someone such as myself seeking knowledge concerning the faith and claims of our Catholic friends.


Catechism Of The Catholic Church

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: ” Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its " procreative " and unitive purposes


The Catholic Church teaches that condoms - birth control, and any means of avoiding or deviating away from the fertizilating the egg with the sperm while having intercourse - is unholy, - sexual intercourse cannot be just for enjoyment with your wife or husband


Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its " procreation " fertilization , to furthering the DNA - GENETICS to be passed down through a conception ...

II. The Vocation to Chastity # 2351
Part Three Section Two The Ten Commandments Chapter Two You Shall Love Your Neighbor As Yourself Article 6 The Sixth Commandment II. The Vocation To Chastity


Furthermore

Roman Catholic Father - St. Augustine, demands that “ Sexual desire a significant role in original sin's transmission, - sexual intercourse is the daughter of sin, is also the mother of sin ... LUST - Lust becomes causally involved in the transmission of original sin ...

Sexual lust thereby becomes not merely a symbol of carnal concupiscence, but its cause.

this is basic foundation of all Catholic Teaching regarding sex and Original Sin


The Reality is that the Catholic Church demands that because Jesus was not born with sexual intercourse by an earthly Father, he was completely free from Original sin, the Roman Catholic believes that original sin is CAUSE AND EFFECT and by the literal sex act - by having a sexual interaction - a man and woman having romantic relations, this is what has literally CAUSED ALL to be born with original sin - the sex act itself causes the sin - sex is sinful but tolerated by God

This post is too long andbrings up too many different issues. For one thing, which catechism are you reading? I don't trust any of them published after about 1950. I'd like to get my hands on the 1917 (I think it is 1917) catechism. In any case, some of what you've written (most of which is beyond what I copied here) does not sound too Catholic. And Catholicism can no longer be found in the Vatican. The Vatican didn't even exist until 1929 and is a city - state. Supposedly the "Holy See" (true Catholic governance begun by St Peter) "rules" the Vatican but that's just not so. You can tell by the garbage that spews forth from... just about anyone who works there.

 

[kjw47]

You seem to be misinformed.
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She was born of her father and mother through normal conception, but God lifted the curse of Original Sin, she was conceived in a miraculous manner, she herself was free of Original Sin. She also lived her whole natural life free of any other sin

The bible doesn't teach that. Twisted reasoning of blind guides does.

 

[theHawk]

The bible doesn't teach that. Twisted reasoning of blind guides does.

The church teaches it. The same church that gave us the New Testament and Bible.

 

[Woodznutz]

God made sex for pleasure as well as procreation. Thank you God.

 

[task0778]

IMHO, the single greatest contradiction of the Catholic Church is that they do not practice what they preach. Either you have a reverence for life or you don't, 'sometimes' just doesn't cut it. And I never could see building these huge expensive cathedrals while people are starving outside of them.

 

[kjw47]

The church teaches it. The same church that gave us the New Testament and Bible.

You are 100% in error. God gave us his bible. God wrote both the OT-NT through righteous men via holy spirit. No Church did. Writings clearly show how Catholicism twisted Gods truth to fit false council teachings.

 

[theHawk]

You are 100% in error. God gave us his bible. God wrote both the OT-NT through righteous men via holy spirit. No Church did. Writings clearly show how Catholicism twisted Gods truth to fit false council teachings.

Wrong. God inspired men to write the books. Those same men founded the Church and setup the early church teachings. The church collected the books and decided which were canon.

The Bible isn’t the end all of Christianity, it’s the beginning of the fundamental understandings.

 

[kjw47]

Wrong. God inspired men to write the books. Those same men founded the Church and setup the early church teachings. The church collected the books and decided which were canon.

The Bible isn’t the end all of Christianity, it’s the beginning of the fundamental understandings.

The great apostasy rose up after Jesus, apostles and followers were murdered. False teachings started gettin in after Jesus dies in Peters books and Titus was left behind to correct false teachings. Thus after they were murdered 2 Thess 2:3 started in the 2nd century. Turned into Catholicism who had to hold councils because they did not know truth, they screwed it up.

 

[Woodznutz]

IMHO, the single greatest contradiction of the Catholic Church is that they do not practice what they preach. Either you have a reverence for life or you don't, 'sometimes' just doesn't cut it. And I never could see building these huge expensive cathedrals while people are starving outside of them.

All tyrannical governments are like that. If it's not cathedral it's a military or a police force to oppress their own citizens.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

IMHO, the single greatest contradiction of the Catholic Church is that they do not practice what they preach. Either you have a reverence for life or you don't, 'sometimes' just doesn't cut it. And I never could see building these huge expensive cathedrals while people are starving outside of them.

The Church was not created to feed people. But neither was it established to build great buildings.

The purpose of the church (the Body of Christ) is to preach the gospel and prepare the members to live holy righteous lives

 

[Mashmont]

And I never could see building these huge expensive cathedrals while people are starving outside of them.

Why do you think those who build these churches as a gift to God should be denied that gift of honoring God? Can't people do what they want with their money?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Why do you think those who build these churches as a gift to God should be denied that gift of honoring God? Can't people do what they want with their money?

Did you ever see Jesus set this kind of example? Of course people can spend their money any way they please, but Christ and the apostles would be er lead people to do such a thing.

 

[Mashmont]

Did you ever see Jesus set this kind of example? Of course people can spend their money any way they please, but Christ and the apostles would be er lead people to do such a thing.

Jesus praised the woman who spent all her money on oils for Jesus' feet. This was after the Pharisees scolded her for not giving that money to the poor.

 

[task0778]

Why do you think those who build these churches as a gift to God should be denied that gift of honoring God? Can't people do what they want with their money?

I don't think God needs that kind of gift. Kindness and charity would be better IMHO.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Jesus praised the woman who spent all her money on oils for Jesus' feet. im This was after the Pharisees scolded her for not giving that money to the poor.

He didn't say build great monuments and give gold to those who claim My Name

Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.

 

[Mashmont]

I don't think God needs that kind of gift. Kindness and charity would be better IMHO.

While he was in Bethany, reclining at the table in the home of Simon the Leper, a woman came with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, made of pure nard. She broke the jar and poured the perfume on his head.

Some of those present were saying indignantly to one another, “Why this waste of perfume? It could have been sold for more than a year’s wages and the money given to the poor.” And they rebuked her harshly.

“Leave her alone,” said Jesus. “Why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful thing to me. The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me. She did what she could. She poured perfume on my body beforehand to prepare for my burial. Truly I tell you, wherever the gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.” - Matthew 14: 3-9.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

While he was in Bethany, reclining at the table in the home of Simon the Leper, a woman came with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, made of pure nard. She broke the jar and poured the perfume on his head.

Some of those present were saying indignantly to one another, “Why this waste of perfume? It could have been sold for more than a year’s wages and the money given to the poor.” And they rebuked her harshly.

“Leave her alone,” said Jesus. “Why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful thing to me. The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me. She did what she could. She poured perfume on my body beforehand to prepare for my burial. Truly I tell you, wherever the gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.” - Matthew 14: 3-9.

You seem to think giving all your wealth to these men you worship is giving to Christ.

Like I said, give your money to that wealthy church if you like, but don't expect a penny from me. I don't see God in your organization