Zone1 Are these two great contradictions of the Catholic Faith

[kjw47]

Isn't that what I wrote? "LDS and JWs do not for different reasons."
The difference between LDS and JW's is that we believe Jesus was Jehovah who came down via the instructions by Father Elohim to gain a body, establish a church and teach the proper doctrine, atone for our sins and be resurrected and again sit on the right hand of Elohim as a member of the Godhead of the Universe with resurrected physical bodies. JW's believe Jesus is Michael, which is false doctrine, and thus worshipping a false god.

Elohim is Jehovah= the translation of the name Elijah. Jesus is not Jehovah.

 

[irosie91]

Elohim is Jehovah= the translation of the name Elijah. Jesus is not Jehovah.

Elohim is a semitic language word that means GOD (with
implication as the one and only) Jehovah is an english
permutation of something in English called the TETRAGRAM because it consists of four letters with arcane origin and
unclear pronunciation that seems to be a conjugation of
the english equivalent "to be" Elijah is a hebrew name which refers to THE GOD. Dorothy means "gift of god"--
I think it's Greek

 

[Cougarbear]

Elohim is Jehovah= the translation of the name Elijah. Jesus is not Jehovah.

You make a false hypothesis to start your transitive argument. This means your conclusion is also logically false. A good tree cannot grow from a bad tree.
Also, I agree that Jehovah is the God in which both Moses and Elijah refer to as their Lord or God they spoke with. This doesn’t mean there aren’t three members of the Godhead.

 

[Leo123]

God made sex for pleasure as well as procreation. Thank you God.

Yeah, so women wouldn’t be killed.

 

[Cougarbear]

Yeah, so women wouldn’t be killed.

So, only men have pleasure during sex???

 

[Leo123]

So, only men have pleasure during sex???

Not what I meant. Cute though.

 

[zaangalewa]

JW,s dont believe in Aristotle, he was a Greek false god worshipper.

The heathen Aristotle ("the philosopher") and with him the Muslim Averroes ("the interpreter") under the Catholic Church started to found all universities of the world with the method: "We err upwards."

What you said here I am only able to interpret as an "You are lost in stu¶dity!".

 

[kjw47]

The heathen Aristotle ("the philosopher") and with him the Muslim Averroes ("the interpreter") under the Catholic Church started to found all universities of the world with the method: "We err upwards."

What you said here I am only able to interpret as an "You are lost in stu¶dity!".

In old English-pipers were demons--You quote led zepplin song that speaks of demons.= The piper is calling you to join him--i believe that piper mentioned is satan the devil.
So i guess your judgement of me being stupid has slapped you in the face.

 

[zaangalewa]

In old English-pipers were demons--

At the time when Old Englsh existed a demon was just simple a spiritual being and/or conscience. The demonizing of the word demon came later.

You quote led zepplin song that speaks of demons.

Eh?

= The piper is calling you to join him--i believe that piper mentioned is satan the devil.

Weird idea. To drum or to pipe was a method to get attention. "You have to drum" means in German for example "make advertising".

So i guess your judgement of me being stupid has slapped you in the face.

My opinion is no judgement. And "no"!!! I do not see any satanic component in this song from Led Zeppelin. "To buy a stairway to heaven" - a way into a better life - try to do all people. And why should it not work? Depends how to try to do it.

 

[gtopa1]

Hello Friends

is there anyone who would be interested or knowledgeable or even someone such as myself seeking knowledge concerning the faith and claims of our Catholic friends.


Catechism Of The Catholic Church

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: ” Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its " procreative " and unitive purposes


The Catholic Church teaches that condoms - birth control, and any means of avoiding or deviating away from the fertizilating the egg with the sperm while having intercourse - is unholy, - sexual intercourse cannot be just for enjoyment with your wife or husband


Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its " procreation " fertilization , to furthering the DNA - GENETICS to be passed down through a conception ...

II. The Vocation to Chastity # 2351
Part Three Section Two The Ten Commandments Chapter Two You Shall Love Your Neighbor As Yourself Article 6 The Sixth Commandment II. The Vocation To Chastity


Furthermore

Roman Catholic Father - St. Augustine, demands that “ Sexual desire a significant role in original sin's transmission, - sexual intercourse is the daughter of sin, is also the mother of sin ... LUST - Lust becomes causally involved in the transmission of original sin ...

Sexual lust thereby becomes not merely a symbol of carnal concupiscence, but its cause.

this is basic foundation of all Catholic Teaching regarding sex and Original Sin


The Reality is that the Catholic Church demands that because Jesus was not born with sexual intercourse by an earthly Father, he was completely free from Original sin, the Roman Catholic believes that original sin is CAUSE AND EFFECT and by the literal sex act - by having a sexual interaction - a man and woman having romantic relations, this is what has literally CAUSED ALL to be born with original sin - the sex act itself causes the sin - sex is sinful but tolerated by God


THIS IS WHY MARY'S VIRGINITY IS SO IMPORTANT TO ROMAN CATHOLICS

BECAUSE - Mary was PURE - HOLY , SEXUALLY PERFECT - - - Mary was guarding her virginity - abstaining from having sex - Mary was righteous - Holy Virgin -

the Roman Catholic believes that Jesus is FREE of Original sin because he was not born from sperm and egg conception with an earthly father. But this is contradicted by the fact that both Adam and Eve were born without the sex act,


both Adam and Eve were born without a human father or an earthly mother - yet this Immaculate Creation of Adam and Eve - this did not help them or prevent them from committing sin, this did nothing for them even though they were not born nor created from a sexual act.


Adam and Eve even lived at a time where purity was at its most powerful and potent form and they both existed as the very best potential and perfect example possible, purity was at the strongest and most powerful and purest form that has ever existed for human kind


And still their decision and temptation and weakness to commit immoral acts, to sin, to defile their bodies and disobey God’ s commandment was not prevented - by the state and the situation , the status , and circumstance and condition “ Immaculately Created “ they were not even born from human mother nor father nor created by any sexual relations - __


Do Catholics deny that Jesus had “ FREE WILL “ ?

Was the Roman Catholic Jesus free from all temptation and someone who did not have “ FREE WILL “ ?

is this what Catholics seem to suggest. ?

In conclusion, another great contradiction is the following Roman Catholic Catechism teaching



Catechism of the Catholic Church - Second Edition - # 404
""_ The transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. _""

but is this not simply an untruthful contradiction, there are 66 total books of the bible that clearly explain what original sin means

these scriptures explain in complete detail the understanding of Original Sin. The Bible fully explains what caused Original SIn and the result and effect and the solution that God has provided to remedy the original sin.


How can Roman Catholics resolve and explain these 2 great contradictions ?

For Roman Catholics to demand that being created without the sex act prevents someone from committing sin - and removes the choice, and Free Will and also Temptation ........

Why do Catholics deny that Jesus was faced with the challenge of “ FREE WILL “ and temptation, and was tempted in all the ways that all humans are, just as Adam and Eve but Jesus overcame his own will , denied himself and submitted to the will of God. ?


For Roman Catholics to demand that -- The transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand

Why do Catholics deny that God has fully explained the cause and effect of the curse of Original Sin and has also provided the clear remedy. ?

"and unitive purposes"

Which are??

Genesis 2:24
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24 For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.

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Genesis 2:24 in all English translations

Matthew 19:5
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5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?

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Matthew 19:5 in all English translations

Mark 10:8
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8 and the two shall become one flesh; so they are no longer two, but one flesh.

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Mark 10:8 in all English translations

Ephesians 5:31
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31 For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.

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Ephesians 5:31 in all English translations

People forget that all too often.

Greg

 

[Leo Sails]

thank each and every one of you for replying

I would like to respond to - theHawk


you say that

Mary was born of her father and mother through normal conception,
but you also say
Mary was conceived in a miraculous manner,

but this is contradicting your own self and denying what Rome believes

2 things
Rome believes
1........ that Mary's Conception through sexual intercourse , " conceived in sexual intercourse " would have produced baby Mary who was born in Original Sin

God had to miraculously remove the stain of romance, lust, pleasure and the sin of intimacy and the stain , dirt and filth and evil introduced also by her fathers sperm

without this miracle, - the romance, lust, intimacy and togetherness and the man and wife bond and ejaculated seed would have passed Original Sin to Mary


Rome believes
2........ that Jesus Conception also , any lust or any sexual intercourse as husband and wife,

any sexual pleasure, romance or intimate bonding between husband and wife - would have produced a baby Jesus who was born in Original Sin

both are the same Catholic Miracle -

this is why the Priests and Vatican Primates and Nuns go through their entire lives hiding their sexuality and lust and sexual deeds from all of society they believe, teach and live lives to model and pattern a glorification that having a spouse or a husband or wife

any desire to have children would make them ungodly and unholy or move them further away from perfection and righteousness.,

just the thought of getting married and having husband and wife relations would terminate and completely end a priests or nuns position and rank and status in the church.

a Mary - born with a miraculous cleansing of the husbands and wife lust, passion and intimacy and fertilization during their sexual intercourse

a Jesus - born with a miraculous Virgin birth, with no husband , no romance, no lust and no fertilization and no sex


Rome teaches a narrative that Mary retained and upheld and stayed faithful to the position of being free of sin because she remained a perpetual virgin.

she remained free of sex

had she not remained a virgin and became a wife and had children she would have never been seen as without Original Sin

the fact that she never gratified herself sexually or contracted seed / sperm is why she remained free of " original sin "

had the complete and full act of sexual intercourse been involved in her own conception or in the conception of her son, neither herself nor her son would have been free of " Original Sin "

a sexually active Mary = is not a Mary free of original sin and not a Mary assumed and taken to heaven,

Had Mary had sex at any time in her life she would not be called the Queen Of Heaven - nor assumed upward to heaven.

 

[kjw47]

At the time when Old Englsh existed a demon was just simple a spiritual being and/or conscience. The demonizing of the word demon came later.



Eh?



Weird idea. To drum or to pipe was a method to get attention. "You have to drum" means in German for example "make advertising".



My opinion is no judgement. And "no"!!! I do not see any satanic component in this song from Led Zeppelin. "To buy a stairway to heaven" - a way into a better life - try to do all people. And why should it not work? Depends how to try to do it.

Pipers are demons in olde English.

 

[Cougarbear]

Not what I meant. Cute though.

Well, explain yourself then...

 

[ding]

Yeah, so women wouldn’t be killed.

I got your humor.

 

[Leo123]

Well, explain yourself then...

Sex keeps men and women from killing each other. It was a joke. Didn't mean to offend.

 

[zaangalewa]

Pipers are demons in olde English.

This I would know because old English and Germanic is the same. And I know nothing about. Pipes - music at all - calls spirits. Also spirits which might had been called "demons" - but what you call "demon" is not the same word as it had been hundreds of years ago. Words are often placeholders for a reality but not this reality on its own. I could today say "Music is godly" and in 2000 years someone could think "godly" means "devilish" because in our brutal time existed only devil worshippers. This people in 2000 years as well as the ET's who will be visitors on Earth will be upset that this noble human beings in 2000 years will have had ancestors today who murder their own breed and are doing wars. Ugly devilish creatures we will be for them, will we not be?

So don't try to play to be more stupid as you are really stupid.

 

[zaangalewa]

kjw47

The piper in this song calls for to use reason. God is reason. No demon.

And the Germanic tribes had Celtic ancestors. The three most important ‘professions’ of the Celts are a to be a political and economical leader (a wise man or a wise woman with great power and riches), a spiritual and shamanic healer (a druid (priest, psychologist, doctor)) and a singer (an artist, a poet, a thinker, a memoriser, a mediator).

 

[kjw47]

kjw47

The piper in this song calls for to use reason. God is reason. No demon.

And the Germanic tribes had Celtic ancestors. The three most important ‘professions’ of the Celts are a to be a political and economical leader (a wise man or a wise woman with great power and riches), a spiritual and shamanic healer (a druid (priest, psychologist, doctor)) and a singer (an artist, a poet, a thinker, a memoriser, a mediator).

Drug addicted rock musicians care less about God. The demons control them- Paul mentioned spiritism at Gal 5:19-21, the Greek word= Pharmacia=drug addiction is apart of that. spiritism is demon control. Pipers are demons-I believe-THE PIPER = satan.

 

[kjw47]

kjw47

The piper in this song calls for to use reason. God is reason. No demon.

And the Germanic tribes had Celtic ancestors. The three most important ‘professions’ of the Celts are a to be a political and economical leader (a wise man or a wise woman with great power and riches), a spiritual and shamanic healer (a druid (priest, psychologist, doctor)) and a singer (an artist, a poet, a thinker, a memoriser, a mediator).

Satan controls govts, druid priests are demonized.

 

[zaangalewa]

Drug addicted rock musicians care less about God.

A prejudice which has nothing to do with reality. We are all sinners. Nevertheless god loves all of his children and the one or other way his children also love him - with or without to know this. You never will know whether your hypothetic construct is real. And a real person who you subsumize under your prejudice and seems to fulfill this prejudice loves god perhaps a million of tons more than you are able to do at all.

The demons control them- Paul mentioned spiritism at Gal 5:19-21, the Greek word= Pharmacia=drug addiction is apart of that. spiritism is demon control. Pipers are demons-I believe-THE PIPER = satan.

You lack the lightness of being that's why you have to ignore what others tell you. Satan and I have even a common element: We believe in god and not in Satan. Indeed Satana hates us because he loves god while we hurt him.

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A nun and a priest are playing tennis. Every time the priest misses, he shouts: ‘DAMN, MISSED!'

And they start playing... After a short time, the priest misses and shouts: ‘‘DAMN, MISSED!' The nun replies: ‘Dear Father, please watch your choice of words!’

And they continue to play and again the priest misses and shouts: ‘DAMN, MISSED!' And the nun says indignantly: ‘Father, stop swearing like that!’

And they continue to play and AGAIN the priest hits the ground and shouts: ‘DAMN, MISSED!' And the nun screams indignantly: ‘FATHER, IF YOU CURSE LIKE THAT ONE MORE TIME, THE LORD IN HEAVEN WILL HIT YOU WITH A LIGHTNING!!!’

And they continue to play and AGAIN the priest hits it and shouts: ‘DAMN IT!’ And the clouds gather, thunder rumbles, lightning strikes the nun and a deep voice says: ‘Damn, missed!’
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